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TheAmra
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Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 03:09
Hallo everybody!It's been a little hard for me to understand the difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up icon"outperforming"?

Thanks for your time!

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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 03:24
Thumb up means you outperform the average score.

For example, in a 7 medal map, the average medal for an allies side is 4.8, means that most of time people can get between 4 and 5 medals even if losing the game, so if you can get 5 or 6 medals in that game, you still get thumb up.
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 04:39
But does a loss with an "outperform" rating mean anything in terms of your rating or promotion status?
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 04:44
Leadfoot5 wrote on Mon, 20 February 2012 22:39

But does a loss with an "outperform" rating mean anything in terms of your rating or promotion status?


NO. But it does make me feel a little bit better to know that I performed better than average.
I hate those Orange Thumbs Downs... Twisted Evil Loser, Loser, Loser Laughing

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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 05:43
Leadfoot5 got my question right,so i'll take stevens word for that.Worst thing about getting thumb down?
Someone always gets thumbs up over your dead body ! Mad

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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 08:25
TheAmra wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 08:43

Leadfoot5 got my question right,so i'll take stevens word for that.Worst thing about getting thumb down?
Someone always gets thumbs up over your dead body ! Mad


Laughing Laughing I always hate getting those Orange thumbs down as well! Cool Although it doesn't affect promotions or achievements, I believe it does factor in for the skill points you earn...so it affects your ranking. Smile
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 16:18
There should be a "two thumbs up" : you win, and your opponent does less than the average !

Because when I read my results now, I don't know if, when I am the winner, I won and made my opponent underperform...
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 18:19
silenttimo wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 19:18

There should be a "two thumbs up" : you win, and your opponent does less than the average !

Because when I read my results now, I don't know if, when I am the winner, I won and made my opponent underperform...


I'm not sure it would be very 'sporting' to rub this in...I don't expect that the losing player wants to be reminded of a devastating loss! Very Happy Laughing
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 18:43
Loss?What loss....
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Tue, 21 February 2012 20:22
silenttimo wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 10:18

There should be a "two thumbs up" : you win, and your opponent does less than the average !

Because when I read my results now, I don't know if, when I am the winner, I won and made my opponent underperform...


Sometimes the dice and cards (shear LUCK) has more to do with it than your own personal SKILL. So let credit fall where it should.
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Mon, 04 February 2013 12:36
stevens wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 14:22

silenttimo wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 10:18

There should be a "two thumbs up" : you win, and your opponent does less than the average !

Because when I read my results now, I don't know if, when I am the winner, I won and made my opponent underperform...


Sometimes the dice and cards (shear LUCK) has more to do with it than your own personal SKILL. So let credit fall where it should.



Exactly. It is very difficult (or impossible sometimes) to measure up to the avg medals gained in a given scenario when the dice and / or cards run heavily against you. Skill difference between opponents only goes so far in such situations. But I am glad that the system informs me when I underperform Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Sat, 09 February 2013 05:10
Outperform does have an effect on rating points:

http://cdn1.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/img/M44-ELO- Ranking.pdf

The original thread is here

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=203191#msg_203191


What matters is:

The rating of both players going in

The balance of the scenario

Outperform or not


Note that in some scenarios, usually unbalanced low medal ones, the average is above a losing medal count, so it is impossible to outperform as the favoured side if you lost

For example, Omaha is a 6 medal scenario where the Axis average 5.6 medals.

In other words you cannot outperform as a loser



If you care about ranking players tend to play evenly matched scenarios with large medal counts against good opponents.

They are long enough that skill counts, and they have high medal counts so it is relatively easy to outperform
      
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Re:Difference between Wining a scenario and loosing it with thumb up ? Sat, 09 February 2013 05:28
However, really, if you are any good, you should be able to play lower ranked players and still win both ways and go up in rating.

For example:

Since I was recording rating I have played Juno against Cadets and Lieutenants, I have a 16/5 win/loss ratio.

I have gained 66 skill points for doing so.

      
    
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