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Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sat, 14 April 2012 02:01
I thought the ratings have been going way up but wasn't sure why. Now I am sure. I just finished playing 3 games all against opponents that were right around 1500. I checked afterwards and saw they had only played 3, 2 and 2 other games, yet I went from 1719 to 1724 gaining 5 points in 3 games from people who were 1100 players at best. The way the provisional ratings worked in the past prevented this, what's going on?
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sat, 14 April 2012 03:10
I totally agree with Joe about that and sent DoW a pm yesterday if there was a way to re-balance the ratings.

The performance of JimmyJazedzed speaks for itself. Number 1 overall with 1790, barely top 10 2er, 71st multi....only by playing beginners from iPad... Already benefiting from the start, but also benefiting clearly of the fact he's playing high rated beginners.
Provisional rating might not work as well with the IPad players.
More over, IPad players tend to play each other in a local game, kinda preserving their score without knowing it.

The IPad app was already pretty weak (giving the start, not able to check the score of your opponents, and limited chat options), compared to the web version, probably good enough to introduce the game to new players, but it might now destroy the competitive community for good...

Getting more players on TTR is definitely good, but IPad players, who are playing 100 games at most, (then switching to another application, already), taking over a long-term, friendly and well-organized community is really not good...

DoW may have other priorities, but if some others could voice their opinion Here, it could help to correct that flaw. (And to start with, top 300 players should avoid games meant for beginners...or Giving the start...as lame as holding a second account in my opinion.)

[Updated on: Sat, 14 April 2012 04:08]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sat, 14 April 2012 13:10
To me it seems that there is no more provisional ranks at all.

Today I played against player1036564, it was his 4th ranked game at 149x.
I got 1 point for the win, somewere close to 1775.

New players might have played some T2R games with the board game or even have already played with other accounts, but without starting an average newbie should have not more than 1200 ELO points.

So pls DoW let them start with 1200 or give us the provisional ELO formula back!

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PS: JimmyJaZedZed is an airhead, waisting his precious energy just to outwit the ranking system and thereby losing the respect of the community Razz
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sat, 14 April 2012 14:23
I totally agree that the 1500 starting point is way too high. In order to be the best you should beat the best. There should be no reward for beating a player that is new to the game.

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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sat, 14 April 2012 18:09
Let me agree that there is a problem and bring out another reason why it is a problem.

It does the new player no favors if they start this high. I make an assumption about players ranked 1400+. That assumption has to do with what kind of play they are expecting. I play the game for fun and want to enjoy myself. I am also hoping it is the same for my opponent. But, if they enter a game with me, barely knowing what is going on and I go out fast or block them, it suddenly becomes no fun for them OR me. This is my main reason for putting a minimum ranking on my game. Most people above that rank can accept a block or other aggressive play. But, with the high starting ranking, we can't assume that anymore.

Lately, I've only been accepting games with people I recognize or if I can do a quick lookup to see if they have some experience playing. But, I don't always have connection speed to do that.

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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sun, 15 April 2012 22:10
I will post very quickly.

I agree with everything that has been said in this thread so far. Please DoW, do something to fix this large error!!

Thanks
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sun, 15 April 2012 23:47
Yes, quickly indeed ! It's inflating like crazy !

I actually wouldn't mind a general reset of all scores Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 16 April 2012 07:51
End of the week-end...

DOW, it's time to correct that...Smile

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 16 April 2012 09:54
Isn't this how things all started in 2006 ? Everybody starts @ 1500 with lots of players believing in their own greatness @ 1800+ ? The myth of the "true number 1s" ?

I have no problems with a bit of rating inflation because of new Ipad users. Even when you get the provisional thing working again you will have some players who play 18-19-20 other Ipad players and their non-provisional rank might still be 1500 before the likes of JimmyJZZ a.k.a. puddnhead start taking their points.
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 16 April 2012 11:42
The 1500 points starting was good with the special provisionnal ranking, without gaining or losing points for ancient players.

Only that to fix...
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 16 April 2012 19:35
Truckerteller wrote on Mon, 16 April 2012 01:54


I have no problems with a bit of rating inflation because of new Ipad users. Even when you get the provisional thing working again you will have some players who play 18-19-20 other Ipad players and their non-provisional rank might still be 1500 before the likes of JimmyJZZ a.k.a. puddnhead start taking their points.


Yes, Ipad players keep their points in small circles...but acknowledge that JimmyJazz is still number 9 in 2ers rankings...

Solutions could be :

1) Fix provisional rankings
2) Upgrade the Ipad app at the level of the web game
3) If not, differents rankings : Ipad players / Web players since we are not playing the same game.
4) Reset the rankings and the formulas.
5) Suppress the ranking since it makes no sense any more.

It could really affect the competitive community since some players would end up demotivated being less rewarded playing top 200 than playing Ipad players.

In the end, the top of the overall rankings will consist only of people fighting for the longest streak of wins against beginners giving the start.

Our competitive community has an added value compared to other game website, if it has to be 'dominated' by Ipad players who are just temporary players, the TTR community may share the grave of the GOF one.

[Updated on: Mon, 16 April 2012 19:37]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 18 April 2012 08:09
I reread the DOW's explain on score and rating.
On start every player arrives with 1500.
This fact is true for a long time.

I think, the problem you find, for the new users ratings is in how construct a definitive rating.
The definitive rating is based on the 20 first games.

A mass of new players is good for our community.
BUT if their ratings is based on 20 first classed games between new players, the real classment is false.

Is it possible to make the definitive rating counting only on the games made with players having definitive rating too ?

Another problem is to gain rating for "ancient" players on games versus new players (before their definitive rating).

The first 20 games will be only "Tests match" without gain on both sides.

I think "ancients players" accept to play without gain for helping new ones to be in great TTR community.

Perhaps, I don't understand the system, but could you say me if I'm right or wrong ?



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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 18 April 2012 20:31
today I take the list of every players in the 600 pages of main classment for analyses.

If you want I can post the file.

The goal is to see where is the medium score.

In fact the list of main classment represents the players who play at least in the last 15 days.

Analysing this is not the best way but it gives indicators.

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 18 April 2012 22:18
I'm not an expert but this image can speak alone.

http://www.maxetjuju.org/stockage_internet/TTR/courbe_scores.gif

Bigger size here

The medium score is 1150.
The biggest part is 1150 rated no longer 1500.

Begin with 1500 is not a good choice now.

You're right.
Beginning with 1500 will cause an increase for all the community but I don't know how important is the parameter of the players who leave after stop playing.

Could DOW consider this ?

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 18 April 2012 22:30
Good graph Francois, thx for the efforts you put in it !

Beginners after 100 games should also be super low-ranked, but remain around 1350 or 1400 points.....

This could be a starting score then without a provisional ranking.

A special Hug and kiss to An-Team, who should have stayed retired from TTR like he told the community in a very loooooooooooong pm some years ago ! Twisted Evil

[Updated on: Wed, 18 April 2012 22:32]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 18 April 2012 23:21
To complete my work.

If you take players with less 100 games, the graph is same with only 1 peak at 1150.

If you take players with less 50 games, the graph have 2 big parts
in 1150 and 1400.

And less 30 games is same with 1150 and 1400 peaks.


I think the arrival of many casual gamers on Ipad, and the Steam distribution has resulted in significant growing of community.
The casual players with 1500 start give some players opportunity to grow up their score.

Beginning with 1150 or 1200 is perhaps the solution to give right ranking.

Next, Time will give us justice.
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Sun, 22 April 2012 08:25
On a un deuxième ..o...c qui chasse les débutant d'ipad. Confused Et certains qui sont au dessus de 1770 chassent des brêles Smile

Question :

Who between jimmy and anteam is the best hunter of ipad ? Laughing Laughing

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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 25 April 2012 20:14
Franck told me in a mail that they are aware of the situation and that they are working on it. He added it might take some time though...

An-Team and Jimmijazedzed lost all respect of the community, ThoMue lost the last credit i was giving to him playing beginners in 2ers or multis.

Other top 10, I mean top 5, probably wanted to check also how good beginners were, or how good they are with the start !... Probably misclicked when entering their games or just checking the facts of Joe...Idea

More surprising is Lucullupus... True disappointment...

[Updated on: Wed, 25 April 2012 20:15]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 26 April 2012 11:04
Sysyphus = hardliner ^ 2 Wink

I don't respect Jimmijazedzed very much, I never did, I simple don't know him and his ranking is much, much too high.

I do respect An-Team. He is not a top player but a good one. His ranking was over 1800 and there he was clearly overrated. But I browsed his history an I think he was a true 1700+ easily. Less than every 5th of his games were against beginners.

As for myself, I don't open games and I step into every game 1300+. That's my way for years.
I don't step into games called beginners only, and since I'm aware of the situation I don't step into games of players with exactly 1500. But there is no chance to recognize a new player. When a 1480 opens a game, how can I know if this is a (almost-)beginner?
That I'm getting the start is not of much help to judge the situation. If a player is giving start all the time, it is correct to play against him, because if he manages 1400 without start than he is a real 1470, so the points I get from winning against him are correct.

The only problem is the starting ELO of 1500 and not dropping much in the first games... Twisted Evil

[Updated on: Thu, 26 April 2012 11:08]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 26 April 2012 16:26
Yeah, hardliner, I do acknowledge that Wink

If nobody mentions anything, then this behaviour will tend to be norm...

Hardline was necessary for NC to give this community its credibilty back.

But after that, if the community wants or tolerate that kind of stuff, fine.
Then I'll consider a different approach here...

About An-Team, I've been 4 years here : if he has ever reached 1700+, it might have happened once or twice, and mainly boosting his score by playing multis... Before 2008, I can't tell..
He's #35 2ers with a 1729 score, speaks for itself.
Lucullupus, 1724, #71 2ers...

Since he reached 1800, An-Team plays 1400+ indeed with a smaller portion of beginners. Lost 80, could have been 120 without the beginners.

If you check before that (page 10, 4 days ago, when 1800), begginers account for more than half of his games...

[Updated on: Sun, 29 April 2012 18:51]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 03:45
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 04:28
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 09:36
OK, time to put my 2 Cent in here

@Jimmy: Don't worry, nobody accuses you of cheating.
The post with the "cheating title" was created by somebody, whose only "sport" consists of insulting people until his account gets banned by DOW, then open a new account and continue - just ignore that.

Sysy does accuse Jimmy and many others of taking advantage of the current flaws in the system by "milking ipad beginners on purpose".
Legally there's nothing wrong with doing that.
It's also plausible that not everybody is fully aware of the problem, or at least wasn't aware before this thread came up. You see an open game at approx. 1500, you jump in ... why should one realize that there is a "!1" on the right, how should one know that this player is playing his 2nd game?
Once you are fully aware of the situation, I think it is morally very, very wrong to make use of it for 2 reasons:
1) Rankings should show who plays the game best, not who plays the system best
2) Imagine that you are a beginner - would you enjoy to lose all your games, being blocked all the time ... Or would you feel like a complete idiot and quit playing this game?

While the 1st reason can be dealt with - "don't take ratings too serious, it's just a game", the 2nd reason is the one that really hurts. We want a happy and large community, don't we?

@everyone in the top 100: If you see a "!1" on the right, and the player has about ELO 1500 - STAY AWAY (or check the # of games played) - please - thx
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 16:40
Yes, I'm on harder line indeed.

But :
Players who've been in this community for a long time can not be clueless about the title of the Ipad games.

You can not be clueless when you enter a game "For beginners only".
You are probably not clueless when you enter a game !1.
You are not clueluess when your score was consistently 1550/1630 for a long time, then pushed 1)to your best, 2)to 1700, 3)top 10, 4)top3, 5)#1, 6)1800 within 4 days.
You are not clueless when you play multis with 3 others beginners, when you consistently play 2ers.
You are not clueless about the competitive forum when you've already posted...


About Dea's view of beginners :
Yes, Ipad App. was created to expand the pool of players, which correspond to their policy of making TTR, and their boardgames, a popular family game. However, beginners are not here to get crushed in the first place. All those posts are here indeed to protect 1) The whole TTR community, 2) the competitive community.
Both should live together.

[Updated on: Mon, 30 April 2012 17:49]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 19:35
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 19:56
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Mon, 30 April 2012 22:44
Hey JZZ,

The "You" was not personal... I was just answering dea on a global point about all the persons quoted above in this thread Wink.

When you said "You guys have multiple accounts", I didn't feel concerned for instance ! Smile
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Tue, 01 May 2012 08:03
JimmyJaZedZed wrote on Mon, 30 April 2012 18:56

03/01/2012 109 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] King Will(101) - Phénix-Dragon(75) - regionalbahn(62) - MaleneAa(57)



Must be fabricated... I never lose a multi! Slander I say!
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Tue, 01 May 2012 20:53
Thx for the hint, that !1 means, this player is a newbie Smile. Didn't know that, and reading this, I really get fear, that I played one of them. There really were some games, that I won easily, perhaps she/he was a newbie too. Her/his name was dea1...

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Tue, 01 May 2012 21:31
I found a dea1 who beat Kasi the Great 4:2 in NC 2009 and 3:2 in NC 2011.
Grats for winning the 4 easy games, champ Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Tue, 01 May 2012 22:30
JimmyJaZedZed schrieb am Mon, 30 April 2012 19:56

Sysyphus wrote on Mon, 30 April 2012 09:40

You are not clueless when you play multis with 3 others beginners, when you consistently play 2ers.

One thing I'll add: this accusation made me scratch my head even more than saying I read & post in the forum. Yes I am a 2er player, I only play multis rearely, either for variety or I'm explicitly invited in chat. I'm usually not that good at them. But I'm quite certaint that when I do play a 4er or 5er, I play players I know and recognize. Which by definition excludes beginners. So I went back and looked at my entire 2012 history of games against 3+ other players, here it is:
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03/09/2012 103 xsandrax(122) - thetic(100) - JB07(89)
03/05/2012 120 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] xbomanx(113) - Mary Mary(111) - HolyMudda(31)
03/02/2012 113 Colo(127) - NRV_Cromze(111) - xsandrax(95)
03/01/2012 109 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] King Will(101) - Phénix-Dragon(75) - regionalbahn(62) - MaleneAa(57)
02/28/2012 125 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] happysingh22(100) - MalllkaV(88) - ~Moonlight(86)
02/27/2012 96 Phénix-Dragon(113) - Rex Cramer(106) - ~Moonlight(91)
02/22/2012 120 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] häxxli(120) - Patrick09(109) - TTR-Lennart(108) - Mary Mary(81)
02/21/2012 116 [JimmyJaZedZed won this game] Mary Mary(114) - Bry Guy(109) - Fitzcarraldo(108)

Conclusion: I've no idea what he is talking about. Is there even one beginning player in that list?


Sorry guy i am a beginner !!!

xbomanx
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 02 May 2012 21:07
Sysyphus schrieb am Wed, 25 April 2012 20:14

Franck told me in a mail that they are aware of the situation and that they are working on it. He added it might take some time though...

An-Team and Jimmijazedzed lost all respect of the community, ThoMue lost the last credit i was giving to him playing beginners in 2ers or multis.

Other top 10, I mean top 5, probably wanted to check also how good beginners were, or how good they are with the start !... Probably misclicked when entering their games or just checking the facts of Joe...Idea

More surprising is Lucullupus... True disappointment...


Sorry for late answer, I was abroad the last days.
1) At the beginning I just saw 1500+ and didn't look at the rest.
2) I tried to avoid games with "for beginners only", but didn't care for start advantage, like "the good guy" some players might give the opponents the start, why not?
3) I had 1722 (3rd place) BEFORE there was any Ipad player, so nobody can say that I am top 10 now just because of easy wins.
4) After I read Sysys accuse I checked the top20 in ranking and saw that EVERY player played at least sometimes against new players, most propably ipad players! Not fair just to pick me out...
5) DOW should solve that problem. What about starting new? Ipad players max. 1400 at the beginning, other players max. 1500.
6) I will try to avoid matches against unknown players in the future and I am ready to dispense points, if that helps.
7) If nobody finds a good solution I try to handle it like an old chinese saying "The mangy dog barks, the caravan pushes along..."
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Wed, 02 May 2012 23:33
Youknow Luc, you can do whatever you want, it's your choice. I just voice up my view of the community !
Lucullupus wrote on Wed, 02 May 2012 13:07



Sorry for late answer, I was abroad the last days.
1) At the beginning I just saw 1500+ and didn't look at the rest.



Players with 20 games opening 1500 + ?

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2) I tried to avoid games with "for beginners only", but didn't care for start advantage, like "the good guy" some players might give the opponents the start, why not?



I guess Angel's experiment is an example for tons of players aware of the start factor !

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3) I had 1722 (3rd place) BEFORE there was any Ipad player, so nobody can say that I am top 10 now just because of easy wins.



I don't deny your value... But come on... 5 multis with friends over 3 years and 10 last week including at least one beginner ?

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4) After I read Sysys accuse I checked the top20 in ranking and saw that EVERY player played at least sometimes against new players, most propably ipad players! Not fair just to pick me out...



You were not the only one picked... Re-read... If you want me to tell you that WhiteTrain also plays beginners, I have no pb with it.

Top 20 ?
Truckerteller ? Miguel ? Me ? boman ? Drake ? Rockster ? Kasi ? Knock ? daedin ?

Like JZZ with 2nd accounts, you put everyone in the same basket to defend your case...

And this note is not directly to you.

Yes, I think the community wants less cheaters, readable rankings with less 2nd accounts, less ranking manipulation, less schedule problems, less forum garbage... Only by voicing up and taking responsabilities, we can reach those goals. And not by defending one view, and acting in another way to promote personal interests.
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 03 May 2012 02:43
I tried playing some beginners, but its too much trouble to wait and try to get into a game.

I have always played low ranked players, and not sure which is more useful - getting a little more points or going first.

I figure getting more points doesn't do too much because a few Top Multis and all those points are redistributed to the top players anyway!

As for going first, I think its more useful against a top player than a low ranked player. In Swiss against low ranked players I probably go from 95% to 97% win rate or something similar. In 1910 it didn't seem to help - I lost like 6 of 20 (not sure I went first in all those), when my normal win rate is close to 90%+.

In the end it will probably all even out except scores will be higher in general. Unless someone squats at the top which will probably happen for awhile.
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 03 May 2012 10:25
DoW could re-design and recalculate the whole rankings easily!
It's a simple database with 30.000.000 or so entries.

Just delete the games of the known cheaters beforehand Wink

And a new #1 history would be nice Very Happy
e.g.
20041201-20050131 Angel (max. 1850)
20050201-20050831 kid (max. 1965)
20050901-20051031 pilke (max. 2010)
... Surprised

Ideas for the re-design:
-) 1500 has to be the exact overall average (forever).
-) Players that don't play should continually drop in rankings
-) Players that play should equally rise
===> those two things can happen once a day - just drop non-players by 0.1 and raise every player with played games the same amount (e.g. 3000 players didn't play, so they drop by 0.1 each; 10.000 games where played, that means ~25.000 players*games, so a player that played 8 games get 300/25000*8=0.096 pts.
-) Maybe the provisional rankings formula should be "normal" for the beginner, but much lower for the experienced player. The new delta can be balanced by raising the gain of the playing players as described above.

[Updated on: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:14]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 10 May 2012 16:34
Knockando_ wrote on Mon, 16 April 2012 11:42

The 1500 points starting was good with the special provisionnal ranking, without gaining or losing points for ancient players.

Only that to fix...

We fixed the problem today. Indeed, there was a bug when playing against provisional players. This bug was introduced in the server a few weeks ago.

So this will address the trick of trying to gain points by playing against beginners.

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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 17 May 2012 23:41

News about this this problem.
After 15 days, I made new statistics and reports.
1200 is now the bigger part (it was 1150, 15 days ago).

On the 12000 players I made 15 days ago,
1500 (12,5%) have better rank between 50 and 100 more.
330 (2,75%) have better rank between 100 and 150 more.
60 (0,5%) between 150 and 200 more.
And... very few over 200 better.

It's not dramatic...

New graph will be post.


No more study on this for me without having access on real database ( I take manualy the 600 pages of scores)

Mad, I am...
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Thu, 17 May 2012 23:45
http://www.maxetjuju.org/stockage_internet/TTR/courbe_scores_1705.gif

Bigger size here
      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Fri, 18 May 2012 10:33
MaximoR - Ginglet schrieb am Thu, 17 May 2012 23:41

I take manualy the 600 pages of scores

wow Shocked
There should be a possibility to write a script that reads the scores automatically!

[Updated on: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:39]

      
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Re:Hey DOW Provisional Ratings not Working Anymore Leading to Massive Ratings Inflation Tue, 22 May 2012 02:25
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