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TuS yaelka
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 18 July 2012 17:03
Qorlas schrieb am Sat, 23 June 2012 17:11

Rules:
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6) In case of ties 3-3 players can choose which type of overtime games they choose to play (if sudden death or advantage of 2), please check the new rules in the other thread.
The choice must be done before the start of the clash



In my oppinion that is quite clear!? ... and there was no 3-3 ... I think DrakeStorm just wanted to take the opportunity to practice against a decent opponent Wink Laughing

Thx Drake btw to help me into quarterfinals Very Happy

unfortunately I didn't play well there Sad

grats Chris for the win there

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 18 July 2012 19:25
@Knock

for my understanding a 3.5 to 2.5 would be a win and therefore the end of the match.

If it's 3-3 then we go on until 5-3, 6-4 etc.

You have received my PM the day before yesterday? When you wanna play?

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 18 July 2012 20:33
And after a 3-3 : 4.5-3.5 is the end of the match or not ?

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 18 July 2012 21:06
Depends on what players agreed on.
4.5 - 3.5 can be the end only if previous score was 3.5 - 3.5.

If it was 4 - 3 and you guys decided to not play with the 2-game difference, then you are done.


With Drake, we agreed on a 2-game difference at the beginning. That's why we kept playing even if I told Drake he could be good at 3.5/2.5.

You just have to be clear to each other at the beginning.
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 18 July 2012 21:41
Just to clarify, since I came up with the rule.

Background: It was in the finals 2 years ago and I was the higher seed and it ended 3-3. I thought it was unfair that the lower seed got to go first in the deciding game. Sure I got to pick the map, but still seemed unfair.

Qorlas didn't want the higher seed going first, so I figured making a "win by 2" rule would ensure the higher ranked player got at least 1 more start.

The idea for "win by 2" has been proposed for other tournaments, but never implemented, but for this one it seems better (semi's and finals aren't best of 9), and looking over the history of matches, 3-3 happens quite a bit.

For this year, I would say that the rule only applies to 3-3 matches, but in the future I would say if the players agree before the match for the "win by 2" rule, that you have to win by 2 no matter the record (only 2 outcomes would be affected 3-3 and 2.5-3.5, or course).

I liked playing the extra matches, made it a little interesting because you pick the map your opponent gets to go first on, whereas in the first 6 games you are choosing which map you will go first on.
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Thu, 19 July 2012 10:32
So everbody agree that new rule is only after a 3-3.

Ok for that of course.

Next question : with a win and a tie, score goes to 4.5-3.5.

No tie between the 2 players (but only "win by one") and same number of start : match ended or not ?

If not, one more game and 5.5-3.5 ("win by 2") but not the same number of start : match ended or not ?

Smile Wink

[Updated on: Thu, 19 July 2012 10:36]

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Thu, 19 July 2012 17:34
match ended at 5.5-3.5
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Thu, 19 July 2012 20:40
For all the round-robins in any tourneys, strict rules are implemented to keep the standings consistent. For team tourneys, those rules are also necessary further in the KO round.
For small tourneys involving head-to-head KO rounds, players should be able to agree before the game what rules they want to follow.
If they agree on a 2-game difference, then keep it simple and consistent for any cases.

AAT is probably the tourney where we all trust each other and only responsible players are involved. KO round should be low maintenance and delegated to the responsability of the players !

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 21 July 2012 20:53
Knock Chris starting now

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 21 July 2012 23:27
Knockando_ vs chrismmm_1987
4 - 2


USA *119-110 longest gave me the win
Big Cities 100-097* lucky Chris kept 3 tixs and missed one (I missed one too)
Swiss *086-082 mistake from ne not to block Zurich with 1 yellow, but a missed tunnel for Chris at the end was nice for me Smile
1910 082-126* 2 bad little east tixs, I tried to play fast, but Chris did better
Europe *104-126 nicely played by Chris
Mega 147-118* LA-NY + Chi-sanfe + Den-Stlouis, 3 black and 4 locos after 40 cards, start and 3 tixs too for him, nothing else to do than drawing before starting to play to take the bonus, and I was lucky to find KC-Bos and LA-Chi.

Thanks for the nice games Chris

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sun, 22 July 2012 04:40
Grats Knock. Well deserved, you just played better. It was not my day ... especially the first game I should have won but I played not good enough. The swiss game was indeed some kind of bad luck and even the mega game was possible to win - I thought about blocking boston and/or LA but haven't done it.
Well that's it ... grats and good luck in the final.

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sun, 22 July 2012 21:19
AAT 2012 Final

Knockando_ vs DrakeStorm


tuesday 24th of July, 21h30 CEST
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Tue, 24 July 2012 19:52
In 90'... the big final of AAT tournament :

                    DrakeStorm  vs  Knockando_ 

USA                   (1853) 31    58 (1812) 
Europe                (1860) 10    19 (1826)
Suisse                (1914)  3     8 (1798)

Mega                  (1814)  1     4 (1722)
Big Cities            (1941)  1     5 (1856) 
1910                  (1777)  1     9 (1685)

2 players             (1927)  4    11 (1912)


The ranking of DrakeStorm is impressive but TA TA TA TA TA TA TA TAMMMM Knockando Very Happy

[Updated on: Tue, 24 July 2012 19:53]

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 00:16
AAT Final

Drake:Knock


4-2

USA = 120-122*

LA-Chi, Port-Nash vs. Sea-LA, Port-Pho
Should have drawn 1 turn from end, had a couple possible tickets.

Big Cities = 100*-93
LV-NY, LA-Chi vs. Chi-NY, Nash-NY
Knock waited too long to get into NY for his small tickets and missed both.

Swiss = 78-70*
Basel-Zurich, Olten-Sch vs. Bern, Laus-Inter
Knock missed tunnel at end, and then drew a tix for -2.

1910 = 125*-104
LA-Atl, Nash-NY, SF-SSM vs. ??

Europe = 85-109*
Cad-Stock, Barc-Munich vs. Edin-Athin, ??
I had a lot of locos, and with Knock trying to block I had just enough turns to get around the blocks, get longest, and win, except when I went to lay a station it layed track instead and I lost.

Mega = 154*-108
Por-Pho, Por-Nash, LA-Hel vs. thought he has LA-NY, LV-NY, SF-SSM, but he had some smaller ticket for one of them.
Got blocked from LA-SF, so I made a big loop back to LA. Luckily I had a bunch of locos to get all the way around. Still close at end so I drew and hit 2 Calgary tickets, but had to ditch them because if Knock played 4 from Hel-Cal I lose bad. So I went with LA-Atl, figuring if he blocked it would be either to Calgary to trigger end (he had 6 trains and 6 cards), or Block out NY or maybe Sea.

Glad I won the Mega, was not going to be happy going into extra games because I didn't get the station built like I wanted in the Europe game.

And thanks to Sys for not blocking me in one of our swiss games so I could beat him and move on.

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 00:42
Overall I played 6 matches.

My record was:

USA 4-2
Europe 1-4 (2-3 if not for misclick)
Swiss 5-2
1910 5-2
Big Cities 4-2
Mega 6-1

So seems I need a little work on Europe.

Was higher seed for 3 of the matches.

USA was chosen first in all the matches.
Big Cities was chosen 2nd (except once, Truck chose Swiss)



      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 01:30
Grats Drake, well deserved !

Grats also to Knock... The 2 best and most consistent players in the alernative maps were on final, no surprise here !
And last 2 winners and finalists in semis..

Still possible to organize tourneys with awesome players that don't need a TD to solve their problems...Wish every tourney was that easy to play and to organize...!

Thanks all !

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 14:57
Grats Drake!

and

thanks to all the players!
The tournament was played without problems at all Smile

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 15:14
Congrats Drake,

Thanks Qorlas for organisation.

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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Wed, 25 July 2012 16:18
Grats Drake ! Deserved win for the best ranked player in all the maps.

USA : yes, you could perhaps have drawn before

1910 : if I play NY first,this game was for me, and I was just going to play it...one turn late...

Swiss : I didn't think enough : if you were in basel, there was a reason, and it was stupid to think to Geneva-Sion and Olten-scha Sad I had to try again my tunnel

1910 : KC-SLC + Den-ST Louis ; and I tried to draw : only found LA-OC ; 1st move 4blacks and my 2 locos...nothing to do

Europe : choice between Zagrab-Brindisi + Brest-Marseille + Marseille-Essen + Ed-Ath. Horrible choice ! I kept Brest-Marseille, tried to block you..and hopefuly you misklicked

Mega : LV-NY + SF-SSM + SLC-KC. Perhaps I should have tried to block Pho-Elp sooner, but with your locos i'm not sure it would have been useful.

Cu next year for the revenge Smile
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 28 July 2012 14:50
Grats Drake, well desevered win.

See you next year as well for a new challenge. Smile
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 28 July 2012 22:34
Next Year I think, the "win by 2" rule should be standard, and it should be no matter what, not just if 3-3 (so also 2.5-3.5)

Need to convince more people to play also, I mean 1910, Mega, and Big Cities aren't that much different than USA except for longest - I mean get 6ers, go out fast, and if behind draw for the win!!

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 04 August 2012 03:14
Guess we don't need the win by 2 rule now that the Asia map is available!

      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 04 August 2012 07:15
Drake has an explanation for his high ranks : he kicks me out of his game to save his rankings already in Asia !
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 04 August 2012 08:59
Sysy wants to win while he can - having already played 33 games to my 9 (one of which was against him). Can't wait till I'm established at 20 games...geesh
      
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Re:AAT 2012 main thread Sat, 04 August 2012 16:08
Pft ! I dont play to win, I play for fun... Including multis there... And u won because of the bot gave an extra turn ! Geesh !

About the rankings, provisional is the one fluctuating the most. Win there and do not play top players nor multis like blubes or me !

      
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