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  NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Mon, 20 August 2012 18:14
First question for the board, regarding the thread opened here :
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=25828&start=0

Some teams are struggling to build a national team with 5 players and still want to play as a national team instead of being part of a TNT.


Do we need to change the rules for the NC 2012 before it starts ? :

A. Yes, go back to 4 players/ team. It would help to have more national teams on board.
B. No, changes should only apply to NC 2013. It's too late to make changes.
C. No, NC is good as it is.

Then we will have a couple weeks to let the teams decide on what they want to do considering the result of the vote and have time to find a new wording for the new rules if need be.

Vote is open til Friday 24th, 23:00 UTC.

Members of the NC 2011 board

BIP Blubes
FIN Val
TuS Tenniskasi
AT Lucullupus
SMP JenAck
Maskaride - Vouvray
CAT-suburu
AGT-DN
ITA Qorlas
TRUE Rui
TIC Hecki
foudecoasters - cerdon
ommie AMD
UEG - Volleytom
UKB Will
SOS Patterson

[Updated on: Sat, 25 August 2012 07:00]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Mon, 20 August 2012 20:39
I personally vote for B. I realise that there is probably a need to change the rules to make more national teams if that's what people want. If it's implemented by NC 2013 it gives captains (well like me for example) a lot more time to try and bring a few new players onto the tournament scene for next years' competition. Last year was my first NC and nobody seemed remotely fussed about me forming a TNT, indeed everyone seemed happy that there was an extra competitor. Strange how attitudes shift! I therefore hadnt really tried speaking to potential uk players until very recently... assuming UKB would be ok as it was, hence posting a TNT lineup before the player list came out!

When I go to a few of the UK games expo's this year i'll try and get peoples details who are interested and try to introduce them. I think it's a good idea to adjust the rules, but sort out the fine print for next time. I'm sure everyone will enjoy themselves this year as it is!

For me, 4 players would be ok next year (shame personally to split up ukb but there is always CL), and for the fifth clash, rather than someone playing twice, everyone plays a game. if it's still a 2-2 & 2-2 tie then cap'n vs cap'n in tie-breaker or something like that...

[Updated on: Mon, 20 August 2012 20:39]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Mon, 20 August 2012 21:08
i wanna speak with my teammates before i vote but only 1 point.
i already wrote a mail at all smp players from the past years in april.
also a lot of time not really help to find new players.
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Mon, 20 August 2012 21:58
I have to think about it before posting my decision.

In summary:

PR Will wrote on Mon, 20 August 2012 20:39

I therefore hadnt really tried speaking to potential uk players until very recently... assuming UKB would be ok as it was, hence posting a TNT lineup before the player list came out!




that was the problem. TNT teams are never ok as they were previous years, but usually they have to try to form national and then form TNT again only at the start of September. Regarding Will: the timing of the announcement of UKB was the real trouble. If UKB would have been announced during the TNT registration, then noone would have said anything about that.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 August 2012 21:59]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Tue, 21 August 2012 03:22
Blubes voted A for team BIP in the wrong thread.

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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Tue, 21 August 2012 07:07
thx sys,

also in other news, i've eaten too much cheese and am now larger than previously

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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Tue, 21 August 2012 10:35
AT vote: A

At the moment it seems that an AT team will only be possible this way.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 13:45
SMP vote : A
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 14:03
Qorlas wrote on Mon, 20 August 2012 20:58


Regarding Will: the timing of the announcement of UKB was the real trouble. If UKB would have been announced during the TNT registration, then noone would have said anything about that.


Well as I said, last year was my first NC so I was blissfully unaware that a team would potentially not be allowed to re-enter! Surely you can understand that I was surprised we might not compete together again despite getting to final!... I had also found a new UK player (Robin).

Also... my team PR post was the beginning of registration in some ways - pointed out we were 2 weeks behind schedule and got the ball rolling! Very Happy

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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 18:01
Well, I'd like to keep this thread exclusively for the vote... to make it clearer. You have already opened 3 discussions in 3 different threads about your issues Will, not counting PM. Should be ok !
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 19:53
CATs vote for:

A
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 20:10
AMD vote is for: A




      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 23:27
TIC votes for A.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Wed, 22 August 2012 23:44
AGT votes for A.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 00:40
no question....if it helps many teams to form themselves....
A

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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 01:12
A also for Ita
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 01:48
To keep the "spirit" of NC alive, and to have most teams possible... RED TGV vote A !
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 01:58
A - BIP Blubes
? - FIN Val
? - TuS Tenniskasi
A - AT Lucullupus
A - SMP JenAck
? - Maskaride - Vouvray
A - CAT-suburu
A - AGT-DN
A - ITA Qorlas
? - TRUE Rui
A - TIC Hecki
A - foudecoasters - cerdon
A - ommie AMD
A - UEG - Volleytom
B - UKB Will
? - SOS Patterson

So, after 11 votes for 16 team : 10 for A and 1 for B... wait the feeling of FIN, TuS, white, TRUE and SOS but it's a win for A.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 02:19
Well, yep.

So if some other teams want to add their votes no pb.
I'll then open a new vote as soon as possible for the new rules / the rules changes.

Thanks all.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 12:05
TRUE vote is: A

After talking with other TRUEs members i realized that only are up to play 2012 NC the 4 portuguese + Olof. I hope this way we can get one TNT team with players under 4 per nation.

[Updated on: Thu, 23 August 2012 12:06]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Thu, 23 August 2012 18:25
RV transmitted the votes for the White and Rose TGV (which counts for the White TGV vote) :

A : 8 votes
B : 2 votes

2 more votes would go where the majority lies.

White TGV therefore votes A.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Fri, 24 August 2012 10:25
A for the Dutchies please!

In this way we should be able to field SOS again.
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Friday 24th. Fri, 24 August 2012 20:29
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NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sat, 25 August 2012 06:59
OK, here's the new vote for the board. Same procedures, same guys. Major changes requires major vote...

VOTE WILL CLOSE ON THURSDAY, 30th, 23:00 CET

6 Full days should should give time enough to go through all that stuff and have the teammates come back to their BR (Kasi can ahve an extra week to think over it Very Happy). No thanks for the pink, at least everybody can catch the important stuff Very Happy !

5 items to answer.

1. Lineups

Current rule :
13.3 The captain sends the TD a PM WEEKLY with the five-player lineup no later than Wednesday, 11:00 PM (GMT)


A. The captain sends the TD a PM WEEKLY with the 4-player lineup no later than Wednesday, 11:00 PM (GMT)

B. The captain sends the TD a pm WEEKLY with the 5-player lineup no later than Wednesday, 11:00 PM. A 4-player team is allowed to have one of their player twice in a lineup. No player can be part of a lineup in 2 slots a 2nd time before all team members have been in lineup twice once.

C. We keep the rule as it is. (basically means that we keep all the rules from NC 2011)



2. Seeding

Current rule :
13.2 Team's rank is decided by the sum of ratings of best 6 players as of DATE TO BE DECIDED.


D. Team's rank is decided by the average of ratings of all the players part of the team as of DATE TO BE DECIDED.

E. Team's rank is decided by the sum of ratings of best 4 players as of DATE TO BE DECIDED.

F. We keep the rule as it is (makes only sense if voted c. above).



3. Schedule of play

Current rule :
14. Schedule of play
(...)
It is allowed to start arranging and playing a new round before the previous round has been finished.


In order to give some flexibility to 4-player team and help them send a lineup for every clash, should we modify the part in bold and add the following :

14.2 Safe exit
"Once the schedule of Round Robin is released :
If one 4 player-team knows in advance that one of their players is not able to play in the time of a certain clash, they can ask to have that particular match played before the due time. It is the responsibility of the captain of that team to contact his/her peer to find an arrangement.
Each team, when ready, will send a lineup made of 1 name for that match. The remaining lineup will be sent to the TD at the time scheduled including the score of the match already played."


G. Yes, add "Safe Exit" to the current rule.

H. No, we don't need "Safe Exit". Rules are fine as they are.


4. Length of Clash
Current rule :
Example: the second round, of which the draw will be posted not later than Friday, 19th of September, must be finished latest on Sunday the 28th of September. .


I. Keep the rule as it is. (Rule is good itself / "Safe exit" solves the problem).

J. Stretch the length of a clash from 10 Days to 2 weeks.


5. Duration of a match during the Round Robin

Current rule :
A. Number of games per match during round robin
Best-of-five, i.e. match is over when a player has won 3 games. A tied game doesn't count for the match. Possible results are 3-0, 3-1, and 3-2.


K. Keep the rule as it is : Best of 5.

L. Each match consists of 5 games. Possible results are 5-0, 4-1, 3-2. (to give more strength to the 'games won' tiebreaker )

M. Each match consists of 6 games. Possible results are 6-0, 5-1, 4-2, 3-3. (Pegaso's proposal : equal number of starts + more possible results for a clash)


Expected answers :

1. A, B or C
2. D, E or F
3. G or H
4. I or J
5. K, L or M


Some minor changes would automatically occur depending on the vote. I won't submit that to the board, there's enough work to do. So, unless I receive a pile of PMs telling me 'who do you think you are', i'll make those changes Razz !

TNT rule :

If we go 4 player-team, idea is to make stricter rules for TNT and to give more flexibility to the teams as a compensation.


9. Any country that has 6 or more players listed in the player/country list HAS to try to form their own national team.

to
Any country that has 4 or more players listed in the player/country list HAS to try to form their own national team.


Obsolete rule to be deleted

- Each Sunday before 11:00 PM GMT, the captains edit their post in the REGISTRATIONAL thread with the result of last round in matches and games (game scores are not necessary, just the number of victories per team).


We will have a vote later, concerning the duration of a match during the KO Roundm the tiebreaker in the KO Round, and an eventual rule to schedule NC final.

Thx to anybody that contributed to the discussion in the forum, by PM or on Skype. Thx to Dea and Qorlas for the review of the wording.

[Updated on: Sun, 26 August 2012 02:23]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 02:10
TIC votes:

1 B
2 E
3 G
4 I
5 M
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 06:24
Too lazy to post in the forum, I guess hands full of sea snails and mayo, received by pm...!
Quote:

votes from team bip

1. a
2. e
3. g
4. i
5. k

blubes

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 13:08
TRUE ? VOTE:

1. A
2. E
3. G
4. J
5. K
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 13:14
Italy Vote:

1. A
2. E
3. G
4. J
5. M
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 19:46
SMP vote
1: A
2: F
3: G
4: I
5: K
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Sun, 26 August 2012 20:04
UEG votes:

1 B
2 E
3 H (no problem playing the game later, if necessary)
4 I
5 K


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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Mon, 27 August 2012 14:19
AT votes:

1. A
2. E
3. G (but Save Exit also for larger teams with problems getting 4 players together; or else, what about a team with 4 players + 1 replacement player who can only play every 3rd week?)
4. I
5. M

Have fun everybody Very Happy
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Mon, 27 August 2012 14:22
TuS votes:
B
E
G
J
K
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Mon, 27 August 2012 19:22
AMD votes :

A
E
G
I
K



      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Mon, 27 August 2012 20:27
i hereby accuse ommie of amd of being a copy cat - we sat next to each other in class and i saw her copy my answers down on her quiz sheet

b
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Wed, 29 August 2012 14:30
CAT votes:

B
E
G
I
M
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Wed, 29 August 2012 16:40
On this 2nd vote, We still need to hear from a rep from these teams:
- FIN (Val)
- White (Maskaride - Vouvray)
- AGT (AGT-DN)
- RED (foudecoasters - cerdon)
- UKB (Will)
- SOS (Patterson)

Can someone make contacts?
Or if you were on that team, please help us out.

OK, I sent a pm to these people, and will try to also send one to last year's teammates.

Since I write here, anyway, I am curious on 5. M. It says, M. Each match consists of 6 games. Possible results are 6-0, 5-1, 4-2, 3-3. (Pegaso's proposal : equal number of starts + more possible results for a clash)
What happens in this one with ties? Is result possible 4-1-1 or 3-2-1, and ties would not make equal starts.

[Updated on: Wed, 29 August 2012 21:51]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Wed, 29 August 2012 17:02
Maskaride is in vacation so, for White TGV :

A
E
G
I
M


And for recap :

BIP    A   E   G   I   K 
TuS    B   E   G   J   K
AT     A   E   G   I   M
SMP    A   F   G   I   K 
WHITE  A   E   G   I   M
CAT    B   E   G   I   M 
ITA    A   E   G   J   M 
TRUE   A   E   G   J   K 
TIC    B   E   G   I   M
UEG    B   E   H   I   K
AMD    A   E   G   I   K 

FIN (Val)
AGT (AGT-DN)
RED (foudecoasters - cerdon)
UKB (Will)
SOS (Patterson)
Rosé (RV-54)


1. Lineups : 7A / 4B

A. The captain sends the TD a PM WEEKLY with the 4-player lineup no later than Wednesday, 11:00 PM (GMT)

2. Seeding : 11E

E. Team's rank is decided by the sum of ratings of best 4 players as of DATE TO BE DECIDED.

3. Schedule of play : 10G / 1H

G. Yes, add "Safe Exit" to the current rule.


4. Length of Clash : 8I / 3J

I. Keep the rule as it is. (Rule is good itself / "Safe exit" solves the problem).

5. Duration of a match during the Round Robin : 6K / 5M

K. Keep the rule as it is : Best of 5.

M. Each match consists of 6 games. Possible results are 6-0, 5-1, 4-2, 3-3. (Pegaso's proposal : equal number of starts + more possible results for a clash)

[Updated on: Wed, 29 August 2012 17:35]

      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Wed, 29 August 2012 17:30
A
E
G
I
M
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Wed, 29 August 2012 17:34
bonsoir

PInk TGV

1): A
2): E
3): G
4): I
5): M
      
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Re:NC board : New vote open til Thursday 30th. Thu, 30 August 2012 08:43
FIN

1) A
2) E
3) G
4) I
5) M
      
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