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Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 14:45
Hi,

Antoine from DoW is launching a 2nd season of the meta-game, 5 teams (USSR, USA, UK, Germany & Italy) fighting over Europe to win the war !!

However, this is strictly apart from DoW, this is a "new" test version, but played online through the M44-OL game, on "official maps".


WHAT DO I NEED ?

- obviously, to have enough gold ingots to play !
- to be able to speak french well enough : players are french speaking (no that they do'nt speak english, but since they're will be 95% of beligian and french players, french will be the "universal" language" !
- to read the rules (in french ; just ask if some points need to be explained)


HOW DO I ENLIST ?

- Register on that site
- Choose your country (about 8 generals per country ; one is the general-in-chief, one is the second general-in-chief ; the general-in-chief DO NOT fight battles : he chooses the strategy, ask for advice, assign generals on battles, gives the final orders).


WHAT IS IT ?

It's a "grand" strategy game.
You'll have to fight for your nation to win battles that are fought to conquer new territories over your enemies and give advice to your general-in-chief.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 16:07
Very cool! I won't be able to sign up for several reasons (sadly I don't speak French, and I don't have time to play) but I'm curious about what this is...but I have a question if it's possible.

Is this basically a Campaign System or is it a test of an Overlord system?

Have a fun time and good luck to all! Cool
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 16:39
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Is this basically a Campaign System or is it a test of an Overlord system?

Neither a "campaign" system, nor an "overlord maps" game.

Every turn (let's say, a turn could be one month long or so), te general-in-chief, after discussing with his generals, choose to move his units on the board to conquer areas.

If that area has enemy troops, the "game master" (the GM, Antoine) chooses one or more maps to fight over, and decides, according to the balance of power (one unit vs three, one vs one etc...) how many fights must be won to win the grand battle.

Example : let's say the german staff moves 3 units on Ukraine, and Ukraine has 2 russian units, the GM decides the fight would be on the "Moscow" map, with a "return game", and since the number of troops is quite close (3 to 2), to win, the russian player must win with a +2 medals difference overall (a "return game" on Moscow is a 14 medals game). Any other result is a german win.

If the german wins, according to the final results, he loses from 0 to 2 units and win Ukraine, and the russian player loses both units. He wins Ukraine territory and wins a few "construction points" that will give him more credits next turn to build new units, do reco actions, build ships...

If the russian player wins, he loses from 0 to 1 unit, and axis loses from 1 to 2 units.
In that particular case, there will be another fight next turn, maybe both sides will bring reinforcements, maybe one player will withdraw (and avoid the fight).
And none side owns the territory and gains the credits.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 16:47
Wow, very cool! I like the idea and it sounds like an exciting way to play. I'll be lurking in the shadows watching as you guys battle across Europe with this new way of using Memoir '44!!

Thanks for sharing some of the details of how it works. What a great idea! Very Happy
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 17:24
You can find the map as it is at the start of the game here !

Grey is german-controlled, red is USSR-controlled, green is italian-controlled, and yellow is UK-controlled.

US, at the start, have to cross the ocean, then they can establish HQ and recruit troops in Europe (according to the new rules if I understand well - they do not actually recruit, but crossing becomes more efficient, they rebuild damaged troops and so on).

The number in brackets is the "credits value" of each area.

Antoine explained (for the beta-test that took place during march-june 2012) that if Italy DOES have such a territory, it's to have an "attracting" country to play with.

Obviously, the game starts around december 1941 - february 1942.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 02 October 2012 21:35
Disappointed to be excluded.

It is the second french organised competition that I, as an english speaker, have been excluded from.

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 03:32
Well then, let's organise our our own tournament

With Blackjack!

And Hookers!
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 04:03
Phread wrote on Tue, 02 October 2012 23:35

Disappointed to be excluded.

It is the second french organised competition that I, as an english speaker, have been excluded from.


This is simply the nature of having communities that speak different languages and I believe that it actually makes the community stronger. There are many events and tournaments that are only open to English-speaking players, but we don't think of those because we're in them...think of the SFTF Med. Theater Tournament!

This is simply a tournament organized by French-speakers for French-speakers, and if someone likes the idea enough, they could organize one for the English community! Smile I would encourage us to support this endeavor because if it goes well maybe we can learn from it and do something similar. Cool
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 04:04
Agreed, but I would be very interested in doing this for the Anglosphere
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 04:45
If it is a tournament for French speaking players why was it advertised on the english forum?

It seems english speaking players welcome other language speakers but the reverse is not always true.

Why tell me then tell me that I am excluded?

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 05:19
Phread wrote on Wed, 03 October 2012 06:45

If it is a tournament for French speaking players why was it advertised on the english forum?


If you look at the first post, you'll notice that it explains you need to speak French...and the reason it would be advertised here on the English forum is to catch anyone who speaks French (took it in school or something) but prefers to just read the English forums. This does not seem to be a strange thing to me...

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It seems english speaking players welcome other language speakers but the reverse is not always true.

Why tell me then tell me that I am excluded?


What?! Although nobody ever says that players have to speak English to join tournaments, that is a requirement for every tournament I've seen on these forums!! We do not welcome other language speakers unless they also speak (and write) English...and there's a good reason for that. We wouldn't be able to explain all of the technical details if they don't understand English. The requirement for this tournament is no different!

If the invitation doesn't apply to you, just ignore it. There are all sorts of posts for FTF games in regions all over the world where you aren't invited but that doesn't seem to be a problem. I, for one, don't want the forums to be a place where everything that is posted has to fit my needs and wants. And just because we can't participate doesn't mean that we shouldn't even know about it!

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 06:56
There has never been a requirement for conversational english in any tournament I have been involved in.

The BGG online tournament is open to all and we haven't excluded anyone on the basis of language.

It seems to be different for those who's first language is french.

I would not tell someone about a tournament then tell them oh by the way you can't enter.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 07:24
Well it's partly my fault. Embarassed

I speak rudimentary french and write even worse, but I invited some french chappies over to "our" tournaments. The more the merrier, I say. (Some found there way before and without me, I know Wink )

In the example of the Mediterranean SFTF tournament there are also frenchies competing in that one.

Language is a requirement for the tournaments. The league, Med SFTF, etc are English oriented and you are expected to read and write English. So you welcome speakers of other languages as long as they understand and communicate in English. Wink

Campagne à l'Est. WW44#6 and the one here are run in French and you are expected to read and write French to participate.

The "invitation" is not posted here to exclude you (although it does because you do not speak french) but to include others who can speak French and would like to participate but do not read the French forum every day. (Like myself.)

For me it is also a way to improve on my French. But I have to admit it is taxing sometimes. And Google translate only get's you so far. Razz


At this moment I think English and French form the largest parts of this community. But in the future you might see Spanish, Dutch or Russian tournaments.

It would be equally courteous for them to post a message here if they do, so they could include those people from around the globe that happen to speak that particular language.


So those "cross language invitations" are definitely not meant to shut anybody out (although they do) but to include more people and make bridges between separate parts of this community.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 08:27
Phread wrote on Wed, 03 October 2012 08:56

There has never been a requirement for conversational english in any tournament I have been involved in.

The BGG online tournament is open to all and we haven't excluded anyone on the basis of language.

It seems to be different for those who's first language is french.

I would not tell someone about a tournament then tell them oh by the way you can't enter.


"Open to all..." as long as they speak and/or write enough English to understand. This is no different! The fact that they posted on the English forum to catch players who might not be reading the French Forum doesn't seem like a bad idea. When was the last time that someone posted an English tournament plan over on the French forum to catch those players?!

I'm confused why this is such a big deal. Confused
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 10:17
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If it is a tournament for French speaking players why was it advertised on the english forum?

Hi Phread,

Then I guess the very first question should be : why several "language speaking" boards (french & english for M44-OL, german, english & french for M44) ?

I do recognize that you and a few several other players have done a lot for the M44-OL community.

So let me try to explain my point of view.

First of all, this is NOT a tournament : it's a kind of "gamma-testing" (beta has already been done) for a BRAND NEW kind of game, and if organized by Antoine from DoW, it is strictly asides his usual DoW activities, let's say outside his working time : it's a team game, and since Antoine did work on the rules, he wrote them in french, opened a dedicated forum so that players of a team can discuss about the game and the strategy.
It makes it easier to have only ONE language used.

I AM RESPONSIBLE for advertising here.
I know some people here do not come so often on the french boards, but do speak french (I mean not-so-famous unknown players, like Jeronimon, Nygaard, Quit2...).
It's just to let people know everybody is welcomed, but french is needed.

Also, I suppose it's interesting to let people know that a new kind of game, stretching the M44 tactical "solo" game to a kind of strategy "team" game is being tested.
I don't know if it is to actually become a 2014 extension (10 years of the game, 70 years after D-day !), maybe it's just for fun, but other gamers are entitled to know more about it, and it seems that Rasmussen81 is happy that I wrote about it.

If you wish, since you already have a link to the page and to the map, and not before the start of the game, I will translate the rules when they are stabilized.

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:16
When you were calling for players for the current season of the league, I posted on the french forum. That is partially why you got so many french speaking players this season.

However, I also wrote that all communication about the tournament would be in english. You don't need to be fluent, but you need to know some to
- understand the instructions of the tournament organiser
- be able to set a date with your opponent to play the match
- communicate the results back to the organiser.

Some people from the french forum joined the tournament, others answered that they did not feel enough at ease communicating in english and they did not join.
They were excluded from the league tournament because they would not be able to understand the instructions, would not be able to set a date with the opponent or would not be able to communicate back the results.

So the english tournament excludes just as much.
And yes, I advertised for that tournament on the french forum, while not everyone there would be able to join. But some did join, and some where very good players from who we learned yet again.

Every tournament needs a language in which the communication will happen. Up to the tournament organiser to choose that language.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:18
I am very interested in following this new way of playing Memoir '44, so please continue to update us on how things go and how it all works out.

Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this in English and if you have time I would love to read the translated rules. Very Happy

Thanks again! Cool
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:23
I was/am disappointed to learn of what seems to be an interesting variation but be excluded because I didn't study, nor speak/write the right language.

It is like offering someone an icecream, but eating yourself while they watch on.

I am bored witn M44 online at present. DoW is neglecting it and us (the online players).

We haven't had a bug fix release, let alone a major release, for M44 online since mid January when the rank of Brigadier was announced. This is very poor.

silenttimo wrote on Wed, 03 October 2012 21:17


Hi Phread,

Then I guess the very first question should be : why several "language speaking" boards (french & english for M44-OL, german, english & french for M44) ?

I do recognize that you and a few several other players have done a lot for the M44-OL community.


Thank you Sillenttimo for including me amongst those who have contributed to the online community.
I am embarrased by your very generous comments.

I hope I haven't offended you by my comments - if I have that wasn't my intention and accept my apologies.

[Updated on: Wed, 03 October 2012 11:33]

      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:32
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I am bored witn M44 online at present. DoW is neglecting it and us (the online players).

We haven't had a bug fix release, let alone a major release, for M44 online since mid January when the rank of Brigadier was announced.

That is completely another topic.

I must agree : I'd like to have 1-2 basic bugs to be fixed, and I sur would like to see something like at least 15-20 different "official" maps per front (and nice maps, not another Utah beach !).

However, this thread has nothing to do with "ranting" about online requests.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:36
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silenttimo wrote


I do recognize that you and a few several other players have done a lot for the M44-OL community.


Thank you Sillenttimo for including me amongst those who have contributed to the online community. I am embarrased by your very generous comments.

I hope I haven't offended you by my comments.

Nope.

And I would not be colonel if I had not read the threads here, where Gheintze, Turboheizer, you and a few others did make guesses about promotions !
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:41
I have never participated, but I've read what it is about.

If I got it right, and recall correctly, it's a bit like playing a game of risk. where each side is represented by a group of players. If a group decides to attack a region of an opposing group, you also need to state how many armies are attacking that region.
All armies in the region of the defending player will be defending.
Then you play games of Memoir. If you win, every medal you have more than your opponent destroys one of his armies.
You do this until either the attacker conquers the region or the defender destroyed the attacking troops.

Example: The italian team has 8 armies in tripoli, and wants to attack the brits in egypt. They decide to attack with 5 armies and leave 3 armies to defend any future attacks.
The brits have 3 armies in egypt, so the attacker has 5 troops against 3 defending armies.
A player from team italy plays a game of memoir (preferably a desert scenario set in egypt) against a player from team great britain. If italy wins for example 6-4, then great britain loses 2 armies (2 being the medal difference). Since now the remaining number of armies is 5 vs 1, neither side is at 0, so another game needs to be played. If great britain wins this game 5-2, the remainging armies will be 2-1, so still a game to play. Now italy wins 7-2, so italy has 2 remaining armies, and britain 0. Italy conquers egypt, and places his 2 remaining armies on egyptto defend against future attacks.
Just like with risk, there areways to recruitnew armies, a little at the start of every turn, and more when you conquer some regions, as a bonus.
I suppose there are also ways to move around armies, etc ...

I hope I got this right.
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 11:46
Phread, even as a General, please do show some respect to the first player to have beaten a general !! Very Happy

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 13:11
silenttimo wrote on Wed, 03 October 2012 22:46

Phread, even as a General, please do show some respect to the first player to have beaten a general !! Very Happy

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I do not understand why you posted this in this thread.

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 14:44
Kind of joke !

EVEN as a general, please, do not critize my approach on this thread, Phread !

I have beaten a general, I could do it again... Very Happy
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Wed, 03 October 2012 21:20
The joke that was lost in translation. Rolling Eyes Shocked Very Happy

Colonel, I hope I have shown you the respect you deserve.

I simply expressed frustration that I am excluded by a choice of language. This is/was not intended to be disrespectul to anyone.

I hope all who (are able to) take part in this meta-game have fun.




(PS: beating a general isn't anything special - all ranks can and have beaten me as I have beaten all ranks.)

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 09 October 2012 11:15
Btw - for those who want to check in but aren't fluent in French (I blame your school systems) note that what is listed as "Saison 1" is really where it's happening. The beta test wasn't counted as a season I guess.

Just wanted to mention that, I got a little confused at first.

And another note - take a look at the maps from the beta - they're quite fun - even though the Russians got whiped out...http://m44metajeu.fr-bb.com/f5-carte
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 09 October 2012 12:32
Hi all,

As the creator of this meta-game, let me clarify things up...

I'm sorry that some of you feel excluded because they don't speak French. This is certainly not my intention and I never said that my meta-game was forbidden to non-French speaking players. Everyone can join, provided you have a Days of Wonder Online account.

The problem here is that the main part of the game is played on a forum. Each turn, commanders give instructions to their team or discuss a plan of actions. For example - should we land in France, even our spies told us that the German defenses are strong there? Or should we first target the Mediterranean Theater to weaken Germany's allies? Etc.

All in-game discussions are written in French on the forum. I launched the beta-test with French players because I know most of them and this was simply an easier way to manage it for everyone. Now, most of these players are eager to play the "Season 1" - most of the rules were improved thanks to the feedback of the beta players.

Don't get me wrong - English-speaking players can still join the game and take part in the battles that determine the fate of Europe! But it is important to know that most of the talking will be in French. Here is the thing - one cannot organize an "international" version of that kind of game. Except if you find some language that EVERYBODY understands - which does not exist.

A simple solution would be to organize an English version of the meta-game - but then some French players would be disappointed as well, because some of them don't speak English. And I simply don't have time to organize TWO meta-games at a time. Remember that this is a personal initiative, not an official project, even if Days of Wonder is supporting it.

Now, if one of you wants to organize an English version of the meta-game, I can certainly help. Actually, I intend to use that "Season 1" to make sure that the rules work properly now. After that, translating the game will be easier. Please contact me if you need further information about the game. Just remember one thing: organizing and managing it is time-consuming. It really is. But the greatest reward is to see that some players are really involved in the game... they are not just pushing pawns on a board, they are literally fighting for the freedom of Europe...

Cheers,

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 09 October 2012 18:52
Just throwing a crazy idea out there. I presume the different factions mostly "talk among themselves". So if my presumption is right you might have a Metagame where in one faction the language is English and in another French or even Dutch Smile . As long as there are enough people in each faction that also can communicate with other factions in the language that is used to run the tournament.

That way you would not have to have two Metagames but could organise just one.

      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 09 October 2012 21:07
What Jeronimon said.



In addition though, if you give me a rough idea of the workload involved, I may be happy to arrange an anglophone equivalent
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Tue, 09 October 2012 23:06
Hello,

It looks quite interesting. My french skills are nill and the google translator is bu***s*t, so I hardly can understand what's going on.

However, I'd be very pleased and grateful if you finally decide to make public an english version of the rules.

I'd be very happy to make a translation into Spanish for the spaniards.

Regards

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 00:30
It sounds as though, once the beta testing of the French season 1 is complete, there may be some willing volunteer to introduce what looks like a great scheme to the english speaking world. I'm more than happy to wait for that person to take this on, even if it means waiting for the french speaking variant to complete itself .. Us English speakers can benefit then from the lessons learnt, and will hopefully discover a whole new, fresh and exciting way of playing!

It sounds as tho you may have a few people interested in crossing this over to the English speaking forum Antoine ... please consider encouraging/motivating anyone who might take this upon themselves to organise such a venture. And good luck with your original testing on the french forum! Smile


PS This is very much a 'count me in' registration to anyone who takes up the reigns for translating the concept over to these boards ! I'm very intrigued to be on one of the teams in the future! Smile

Jim

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 00:46
Jeronimon wrote on Tue, 09 October 2012 17:52

Just throwing a crazy idea out there. I presume the different factions mostly "talk among themselves". So if my presumption is right you might have a Metagame where in one faction the language is English and in another French or even Dutch Smile . As long as there are enough people in each faction that also can communicate with other factions in the language that is used to run the tournament.

That way you would not have to have two Metagames but could organise just one.





Simple! Smile
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 05:45
Jeronimon wrote on Tue, 09 October 2012 12:52

Just throwing a crazy idea out there. I presume the different factions mostly "talk among themselves". So if my presumption is right you might have a Metagame where in one faction the language is English and in another French or even Dutch Smile . As long as there are enough people in each faction that also can communicate with other factions in the language that is used to run the tournament.

That way you would not have to have two Metagames but could organise just one.





Oh he*l no! That makes far too much sense - next we'll be asking for more even dice and an expansion to include naval battles...
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 06:37
trentdep wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 07:45

Jeronimon wrote on Tue, 09 October 2012 12:52

Just throwing a crazy idea out there. I presume the different factions mostly "talk among themselves". So if my presumption is right you might have a Metagame where in one faction the language is English and in another French or even Dutch Smile . As long as there are enough people in each faction that also can communicate with other factions in the language that is used to run the tournament.

That way you would not have to have two Metagames but could organise just one.





Oh he*l no! That makes far too much sense - next we'll be asking for more even dice and an expansion to include naval battles...


You guys do realize that Antoine is organizing this out of his own free time (of which he probably has very little, like the rest of us) and that anything that would be extra work, like running multiple threads or checking different language boards, probably isn't going to appeal?

If I was doing something like this I would stick with English...and if someone wanted to join they would have to speak English...because the prospect of making an already huge job even bigger, no matter how little extra it would take, would not appeal.

Give the guy a break! Smile Once the rules get translated into English, we can see how many of you want to volunteer your time to organize an English version of the project. As it is, Antoine has plenty in the air without adding another element...no matter how 'simple' or 'logical' it sounds! Cool
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 16:22
Jeronimon écrit le Tue, 09 October 2012 18:52

Just throwing a crazy idea out there. I presume the different factions mostly "talk among themselves". So if my presumption is right you might have a Metagame where in one faction the language is English and in another French or even Dutch Smile . As long as there are enough people in each faction that also can communicate with other factions in the language that is used to run the tournament.

Well, yes and no.
The game is based on communication and that affects everyone, not just members of a same team.

There are different levels of communication in the game:
- communication between commanding officers: Each nation's HQ includes a commander in chief and an XO. Allied HQs (USA, UK, URSS) often have to discuss together to elaborate combined tactics. So do Axis HQs. Which means, for now, that each CiC and XO has to speak French.

- communication between commanding officers and team (=NCOs):
NCOs receive orders from HQ (who fights when, etc.) but also have the opportunity to discuss HQ's decisions. HQ also often asks for help when needed ("what should we do"). This is the only level of communication where a different language could be used. However, there is a third level of communication:

- NCO to NCO communication:
> Even if each nation has its own part of the forum, experience shows that NCOs from different friendly nations always discuss together in the same team. Ie US players will comment British strategy in the British forum, offer solutions, etc. One could think that only commanding officers would do that, but that is not the case.
> More importantly, when designated to a battle, a NCO has to organize the battle with his opponent. The language barrier may be a problem, but there is another one that one can easily forget: timezones.

I could write an entire paragraph about that, but I'm sure you can imagine what timezones mean when every turn has to follow a precise schedule and when battles must be played online between each side every week in a limited period.

So, I'm sorry guys, but I keep thinking that having language-dependent teams is not possible. Trust me on that one: I created this game, I know exactly how it is supposed to work. And I don't believe that managing multiple languages is that "simple".

Oh, and about the "more dice and a naval expansion" request: again, in case it was not clear, the meta game is NOT a DoW official project. Nor it is an official expansion to the online game.

You guys make it sound like Days of Wonder should manage MY game in English as well as in French. The fact is that Days of Wonder does not manage anything here - I know that the confusion is easy because I'm also involved in Days of Wonder projects, but that is not the case here.

In other words, do not blame Days of Wonder for not providing you with an English version of this game... all they do here is supporting the initiative (and I'm grateful they do).

Last not least... In France, we say "tout vient à point à qui sait attendre" ("All good things come to those who wait"). If you guys give me time to fine-tune this second French version, then translate the rules and prepare everything, I might be able to create an English version of the game. I do not intend to run it though, as I have not that much free time. But I could help van Voort (or whoever wants) to launch an English version of the game. I'd be happy to.

Cheers,

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Antoine

PS - thank you Ras' for your support Smile

[Updated on: Fri, 12 October 2012 17:37]

      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 16:32
I still think Jeroen's idea makes a lot of sense - and stand with him as ~ Comrades In Arms ~ even though he has beat me every time on the battlefield !

I don't see how his idea would require anyone to ( quoting Rasmussen ) " run(ning) multiple threads or check(ing) different language boards ".

You would only need one Senior Commander from each side that could communicate what their individual army's decision is/was, as well as results, to one central coordinator. Would this be extra work for Antoine ( or whomever ) ? Maybe, but if so, very negligible - perhaps even less as he would only need to communicate with two individuals.

( Above was in reply to Rasmussen's last post - Antoine's was posted while I was writing mine )


Antoine,

You are clearly in the best position to opine as to whether language dependent teams would work, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to banter about some ideas - and those that appear to have merit are going to move forward, those that do not, will not.

Not sure how the ~ Dice and Naval ~ comment caused you to become confused as to *my* being confused, but I was not, and am not... Got it - this is not a DOW project... As this is an English board, I'm not sure I feel the need to translate, but I will clarify: It was a simple commentary that - sometimes, to some people, a simple solution is far too easy...

Finally, I am sure that you are aware that signatures do not carry over into a thread once one is within the reply mode. It might make more sense to inject a ~ Official Response ~ or ~ This Is NOT An Official Response ~ notation into the body of your message, as it would then remain visible in all instances...

( But no - I was never confused nor concerned really, as to whether you were responding in an official capacity )

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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 17:13
Hi Antoine,

Thanks for sharing some of the details of the game with us. I certainly appreciate you using your own time to run a game for members of the M'44 community, and I look forward to learning more about it after it has been validated through playtesting.

I'm sure that we will be able to find someone to run an English version when you feel that your project is ready for wider use.

Good luck with the game (as well as with your official DoW responsibilities.

Geoff
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Fri, 12 October 2012 17:29
First of all: Trentdep I did not beat you every time On D-Day you got me on Point du Hoc and Sword beach. Mad Razz


Antoine
Thank you very much for your fast and very elaborate answer. I certainly understood that this was not a DoW initiative and applaud you for the time and resources you put into this. I can see the points you make and see the difficulties you have to face in organizing such a tournament/undertaking.


However: I i is my experience after playing in some M44 tournaments that the language barrier as well as the timezone barrier can be overcome. Yes, it takes dedicated players who WANT to play and WILL find time to get together, no matter what timezone they live in. Granted these tournaments allow for games being played early or late which your Metagame cannot allow for. I understand that perfectly well.

We have had players going AWOL and not being able to schedule matches because of timezones. But mostly people who cannot play have real life situations or constraints that prevent them from playing.


Having said that, I will patiently wait for a player who will invest the time to organize an english Metagame, as I feel that my french is good enough to chat and make appointments, but not sufficient to understand precise discussions.

Good luck to everybody playing in the Metagame!

And a special thank you to Antoine for organizing it.


Because Antoine, The Troika, LooneyLlama, Lucky, sbchurchill, Henry Pelham, and everybody els who organizes a tournament (sorry if i forgot to mention you) make the game more interesting and fun to play. I certainly feel there is more at stake when I am playing a tournament match and feel more sad when I loose one (you know who you are!) than when I play a "regular" game.

Thanks guys! (If one of you is a lady please tell me so. Wink )
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Sat, 13 October 2012 03:17
[quote title=Antoine wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 14:22]
Jeronimon écrit le Tue, 09 October 2012 18:52

. I do not intend to run it though, as I have not that much free time. But I could help van Voort (or whoever wants) to launch an English version of the game. I'd be happy to.




Alors, j'ai applique pour un position en STAVKA


Because I think it is important that I play the French version before I do anything with an English one.

Hypothetically of course
      
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Re:Meta-game / 2nd test Mon, 15 October 2012 00:23
gheintze wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 16:13

Hi Antoine,

Thanks for sharing some of the details of the game with us. I certainly appreciate you using your own time to run a game for members of the M'44 community, and I look forward to learning more about it after it has been validated through playtesting.

I'm sure that we will be able to find someone to run an English version when you feel that your project is ready for wider use.

Good luck with the game (as well as with your official DoW responsibilities.

Geoff




I 2nd that
      
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