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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 29 September 2012 17:08
I personnaly do not think there is a delay (other than there is only a check for promotion requirements after a standard scenario.) but I do think there is something other than just expert scenarios in the requirements.

Speculations: it is not a promotion you earn just after promotion to Colonel, but some "M44 lifetime achievement" so all your previous battles count too.
And going back to the text in French: it does not matter under which flag might mean you have to fight as all kinds of nations (unlikely but it might be, I did not keep track of which nations play in which scenario)

Van Voort when you say 25 what do you mean? Battles played, different scenarios played, wins, different scenarios won, etc
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 12 October 2012 17:02
van Voort wrote on Fri, 28 September 2012 04:45

Apologies for the mess sirs, this is the one place with the room.

You can have your billiard table back soon I promise.


Van Voort get that crap of the Billiard table. At once!
I don't (have to) care anymore!

Suzette, give a round of 12 year old the Balvenie to the real men, and whatever they prefer to whomever can't take a real drink. And get me something to eat, that fighting sure made me hungry. No more standing in line at the crowded Colonel's Club for chow!


I was battling a Commandant on the Carentan Causeway when:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30626174/jerfotodiv/Schermafbeelding%202012-10-12%20om%2014.19.49.png

So here I am, and ready to stay for a while. Anybody for tennis, otherwise I'll take a dip in the pool later.

By my count I am number 27.



Analysis (If you bore easily skip this part and get a drink at the bar Wink ):

Before this match and after my last regular scenario I played 11 SFTF ones (won 6: Med: Allies: 2 Axis: 2, Eastern Allies: 0 Axis: 2). I am hoping the promotion requirement was met in my match against Titanos for the French tournament. it was quite a match. But it might also have been met in one of the "quickies" I played against Hermann while waiting for someone.

The eleven matches were on the Mediterranean and Eastern front. I am breaking my head over what I did in those matches to trigger my promotion and have no definite answer.

As a Colonel I have played 214 SFTF games of which I won 128 (In total career 235 won 137)

Focussing on the Eastern and Med theatre those last 11 games got me to:

Med Colnl: 62 w 35 Allies: 31 w 22 Axis 31 w 13
Med Total: 64 w 35 Allies: 31 w 22 Axis 33 w 13

East Colnl: 54 w 30 Allies: 26 w 12 Axis 28 w 18
East Total: 56 w 30 Allies: 27 w 12 Axis 29 w 18

So I feel there is the Trigger somewhere, maybe you need 30 wins in each theatre, as I reached that with my Axis Eastern victories.

For the record:

West Colnl: 48 w 31 Allies: 23 w 14 Axis 25 w 17
West Total: 64 w 40 Allies: 31 w 17 Axis 33 w 23

Pac Colnl: 50 w 32 Allies: 26 w 16 Axis 24 w 16
Pac Total: 51 w 32 Allies: 27 w 16 Axis 24 w 16


Further info:
How many different scenario's did I play in each theatre:
As a Colonel: West: 21 East: 17 Med: 18 Pac: 13
Total career: West: 26 East: 18 Med: 20 Pac: 14


So, I hope that helps somebody figure it out. I am of to the pool, with a long cool drink. Cool

[Updated on: Fri, 12 October 2012 17:03]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 12 October 2012 17:15
congrats, Jeronimon!

A worthy addition indeed. Break out the good stuff!

http://www.yourgnometownbrewery.com/

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 12 October 2012 19:14
gheintze wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 17:15

congrats, Jeronimon!

A worthy addition indeed. Break out the good stuff!

http://www.yourgnometownbrewery.com/

Geoff


Congratulations Jeronimon!

OK, German beer is probably better than Dutch, but it can't compete with Flemish beer! Proud

Try this one, my favourite : http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 12 October 2012 19:17
Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 13:14

gheintze wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 17:15

congrats, Jeronimon!

A worthy addition indeed. Break out the good stuff!

http://www.yourgnometownbrewery.com/

Geoff


Congratulations Jeronimon!

OK, German beer is probably better than Dutch, but it can't compete with Flemish beer! Proud

Try this one, my favourite : http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/


But that is a small brewery in North Carolina, USA. I have not tried their beer yet, but I like the name of the brewery. Wink

Some of you may know why...

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 02:17
gheintze wrote on Sat, 13 October 2012 04:15

congrats, Jeronimon!

A worthy addition indeed.

Geoff


Congratulations Jeonimon. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Good thing come to those who work for them
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 02:39
Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 15:02

van Voort wrote on Fri, 28 September 2012 04:45

Apologies for the mess sirs, this is the one place with the room.

You can have your billiard table back soon I promise.


Van Voort get that crap of the Billiard table. At once!
I don't (have to) care anymore!



Yes sir

At once sir

Congratulations sir

[Updated on: Sat, 13 October 2012 03:17]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 03:25
Hmm, as you can tell I am still clearing stuff off the billiard table, so my hypothesis relating to 25 games and then a week has not been met.

I will explore Brigadier Jernomions record in due course.

Questions I shall be looking at:

1) Has anyone been promoted with less than 1,000 Standard Games (I think not)

2) Whether it is necessary to have played and won all currently availible standard scenarion from both sides
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 04:46
2) He has not won the following as both sides as a Col:

Rzhev
Bir Hakim
Knightsbridge
Panzers v Grants
Sidi Rezegh
Utah

Tunisia not played at all



Of the 4 newest ones (Gold, Goodwood, Utah, Carentan) he was not won Utah as Axis ever.

So winning all availible standard scenarios in your carear is not a requirement
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 05:10
Hmm

Different scenarios played / different scenarios won

W 20 / 17
E 17 / 14
M 18 / 15
P 11 / 8

Wins: Total/Axis/Allies

W 32 / 19 / 13
E 30 / 12 / 18
M 32 / 12 / 20
P 30 / 14 / 16

I shall examine Brig Kain's record of wins; as it appears diversity of scenarios is not necessary here
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 05:31
Kain

Wins: Total/Axis/Allies

W 42 / 24 / 18
E 31 / 13 / 18
M 29 / 11 / 18
P 32 / 16 / 16

Me as of last time I updated:
W 27 / 13 / 14
E 34 / 17 / 17
M 34 / 16 / 18
P 28 / 14 / 14

I'll try some victories in the West and the Pacific and report back

[Updated on: Sat, 13 October 2012 05:31]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 13 October 2012 17:33
Congrats General Jeronimon !

I'll be looking to fill that empty chair at the Colonel's Club ASAP...

Oh wait - I see that they are at this very moment unceremoniously setting it on fire and scattering its ashes to the winds... Never mind.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 22:22
I will let myself in.

# 28 I believe



Edit:

28 not 38



[Updated on: Tue, 16 October 2012 08:49]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 22:28
Also I'm defecting to the Russians, there's some space at that end of the bar.

In honour of this transfer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXex5Z4Kdbs&feature=relat ed
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 22:35
Congrats! Well done.

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 22:44
974 games, so 1,000 + is not a requirement

Interesting to note tat since making Lt Col I have had a fairly stable

5:4 win rate and 11:10 Medal rate


Anyway:

2011 Reports 9, but actually gives 8 results and 11 blank lines

2012 Reports 260, but exports 232 results and 4 blankes

Last 15 days, 17

So should be 286 battles, but the spreadsheet is only 272 results and 14 blank lines

I have on my saved version 283 lines - so I am missing 3.

That is just to give some idea of what data may be missing and margin for error depending on if it uses every game your have every played - or merely what results are saved at the time it checks for promotion

I shall assume the later and use the 272 sheet for analyis
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 22:46
Spaseba Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 15 October 2012 23:52
van Voort wrote on Tue, 16 October 2012 09:22

I will let myself in.

# 38 I believe






Congratulations and welcome.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 16 October 2012 04:09
Indeed -- congratulations, and welcome, van Voort! The interesting thing is the sequence of your last several games as a Colonel:

Won two games at a Pacific SFTF against a Major.

Then lost two Eastern games to a Brigadier.

Then won a game at Meat Grinder against a Major, and got promoted. Something about that win pushed you over the line.

And the fact that it was against a Major is interesting to me, too, because I believe DoW is tracking some "hidden" variable, and one plausible candidate was victories against players ranked Colonel or higher. This sequence of games eliminates that hypothesis.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 16 October 2012 04:13
And congratulations and welcome to Jeronimon, too! Very much deserved.

The only reason I didn't look up from my drink when you climbed up on the bar is that I was sure you'd already been here for a while.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 16 October 2012 09:59
No problem, Sam, I was around for a lot of the time, but on the other side of the bar arranging things. Now I can also relax here.

General Mayor van Voort, my sincere congratulations!
Since I have appropriated the billiards table, well, to play billiards, I have arranged for a large table to be brought in so you can continue your investigations. It is in the side room over there, I have taken the liberty of also putting up a board against the nearest wall, so feel free to use that too. Eager young Colonels are following your findings very closely.

Sam suggested there might be some rank connection, I have tracked all the ranks against which I have played, so if anybody would like some information about that I can provide it.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 16 October 2012 22:32
Well, looking at Kain, Jeronimon and myself I am reasonably confident about the following in relation to SFTF play:

30 wins in each theatre

Kain is 11+18 in the Med, but bear in mind what I have already said about the service records

I will look at std in detail tomorrow
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 16 October 2012 22:54
I don't think I had 30 wins in each theatre, actually pretty sure I didn't have 20 in at least one of them.

Stevie
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 00:33
I am absolutely sure that 30 victories in each theater is not a must to promote; could be 20, though. I had a theory until recently, but it proved wrong, even if I predicted Jeronimon's promotion very recently. My best guess at the moment:

1) 400 Official games after promotion to Colonel.
2) 200 SFTF games throughout your entire career.
3) ? (but definitively related to SFTF games)
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 02:51
Hate to rain on your parade but the results for the 1st eight Brigadiers do not support your hypothesis.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 04:31
Hello my fellow Generals,

I know that we are supposed to be talking about promotions and ranks here, but I just returned from the Eastern Front and a valiant defense of the town of Ponyri. My stalwart infantry refused to be cowed under the onslaught of axis tanks and earned the Iron Man award.

The courageous men under my command have now earned every achievement that is currently available. I can now stop incessantly playing all the scenarios to earn Iron Man. I think this was my 5th or 6th time through the official scenarios trying to get it.

In any case, I'm going to celebrate by playing some expert scenarios and taking care of a few other things... Wink

Have a round on me, comrades! Very Happy

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 09:05
Port and lemon please
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 09:23
What ever happened to mr 'the Arma' and his Iron Army ?

Well done Geoff, I've had 9 shots on tanks without a hit on 2 occasions Rolling Eyes

As for infantry, not a chance. I've actually seen a few guys with less than 100 games with Iron man.

Stevie
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 19:30
Phread wrote on Wed, 17 October 2012 01:51

Hate to rain on your parade but the results for the 1st eight Brigadiers do not support your hypothesis.


How do you mean, Mark? I've just ran through Helcat's records and it fits.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 17 October 2012 21:12
I think a lot of the earlier examinations were looking at SFTF records as a Colonel, and I am looking at LTD figures - in that your whole carear counts (as in the early promotions - it is not until I think the Colonel promotion that only what you do as Col counts)

Rexamining them now becomes problematic because of deleted scenarios.

Which is why I am doing people live as I see them on what I know is a consistent basis
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 18 October 2012 11:41
Welcome to Brigadier #29 Général de brigade Boxx . Congratulations.

If you have a moment then rest your weary bones and tell us about your career. [/quote]
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 18 October 2012 12:40
Welcome, getting crowded in here

At least 29 in all theatres again.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 18 October 2012 21:05
So van Voort it looks like the massive amount of paper and data you have hanging on the wall here, seems to point to 30 SFTF wins in every theatre. If this is it, I can confirm that victories against the AI do count.

Speculations: there might be a need to spread them over axis allies. But maybe not.

Good work!
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 19 October 2012 09:10
van Voort wrote on Thu, 18 October 2012 11:40

Welcome, getting crowded in here
At least 29 in all theatres again.


AIwan (http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/career/?id=45 1284&variant=expert#war_diary_variants) had only 20 victories over the Mediterranean theater, 23 tops, with the missing scenario information.
Your own record shows 25 victories over the Pacific and 27 in the Western front (plus 1 victory with no info).
Anyway, the criteria shouldn't be far.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 19 October 2012 15:38
Here is an interesting tidbit I found on the M'44 editor wiki:
Sometimes you've made a mistake and saved the game twice (or 3x). You probably want to delete the extra copies, so you don't get confused. But don't delete the checked copy that people have played already - they'll lose their records! This may affect the promotion of players to the rank of Brigadier General, which requires playing a lot of Expert scenarios, since they'll lose the credit for yours.

This might explain a lot.

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 19 October 2012 17:20
This is why I take a carear snapshot at the moment of promotion only
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 30 October 2012 09:26
Welcome to Brigadier #30 Brigadier Crassus. Congratulations.

If you have a moment then rest your weary bones and tell us about your career.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 30 October 2012 22:20
Hmm, welcome aboard sir

W 38
M 19
P 21
E 22

I shall look at discreet wins next

[Updated on: Tue, 30 October 2012 22:20]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 31 October 2012 14:55
gheintze wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 06:38

Here is an interesting tidbit I found on the M'44 editor wiki:
Sometimes you've made a mistake and saved the game twice (or 3x). You probably want to delete the extra copies, so you don't get confused. But don't delete the checked copy that people have played already - they'll lose their records! This may affect the promotion of players to the rank of Brigadier General, which requires playing a lot of Expert scenarios, since they'll lose the credit for yours.

This might explain a lot.

Geoff


Are you saying Geoff that when an author edits his SFTF scenario and replaces the old one with the new one it erases all wins/losses to the players who have played this scenario beforehand?

Jim
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 31 October 2012 18:12
sdnative wrote on Wed, 31 October 2012 17:55

gheintze wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 06:38

Here is an interesting tidbit I found on the M'44 editor wiki:
Sometimes you've made a mistake and saved the game twice (or 3x). You probably want to delete the extra copies, so you don't get confused. But don't delete the checked copy that people have played already - they'll lose their records! This may affect the promotion of players to the rank of Brigadier General, which requires playing a lot of Expert scenarios, since they'll lose the credit for yours.

This might explain a lot.

Geoff


Are you saying Geoff that when an author edits his SFTF scenario and replaces the old one with the new one it erases all wins/losses to the players who have played this scenario beforehand?

Jim



That might make sense...because otherwise the reports aren't for the same battle that's posted. Razz

Otherwise I would create a great battle, get some good feedback, and then switch it out for a totally different battle to get people to play my new one. Granted, I don't know who would do that, but maybe that's why the system is that way (if it is, indeed, like that). Smile
      
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