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player1320040 wrote on Fri, 03 May 2013 10:50

rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2013 22:05 player1320040 wrote on Fri, 03 May 2013 00:55 AernoutMJC wrote on Sat, 02 July 2011 04:32 player759311 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2011 10:29 Specifically stated in the rules, this. p.11 "And of course, any race hoping to pass through a river region occupied by kraken must conquer it first." So yes. 1 token for the river, 1 for the kraken. Mind you, Lizardmen would have to pay 1 and Mummies would have to pay 3. From P. 11, "Lizardmen pass through any River Region, occupied or empty, without having to conquer it or leaving any token in it". Then, why does Lizardmen have to pay 1? Because they would have to pay 1 token to take out the Kraken that is in the river. Thank you rasmussen81 for your explanation. However, I still don't understand. The rule said Lizardmen can pass through the occupied River without having to conquer it. In this case, the River is occupied by Kraken. Therefore, the River is an occupied River, isn't it. Additionally, If the Lizardmen wish to conquer a River Region that is occupied (by Kraken for instance) they must have enough tokens to conquer it as normal. Hence, Lizardmen would need 2 token for this, wouldn't he? Then, in my opinion, the Lizardmen would need 2 tokens: one for the river and another one for Kraken. My problem about counting the number of tokens that I have to spend is what "normal" means.

Let's take a look at the Official Rules for Rivers and Lizardmen -

SWU Rules for Rivers Page 5

The River only costs 1 token to conquer, but MUST BE EMPTIED during your redeployment phase (see p. 7); So unless you have a special power that lets you do otherwise, you will not be able to occupy any of the River Regions.

So conquering a River Region normally will cost races 1 Token, and then they will have to remove the token at the end of their turn and redeploy it.

SWU Rules for Lizardmen Page 11

Your Lizardmen pass through any River Region, occupied or empty, without having to conquer it or leaving any token in it. If the Lizardmen wish to conquer a River Region that is occupied (by Kraken for instance) they must have enough tokens to conquer it as normal however; but once all their conquests are done for the turn, they do not leave any tokens in the River; they redeploy them in other land-based Regions under their control, during their Troop Redeployment phase.

So Lizardmen are an exception to the normal rule from page 5. They can pass through Rivers without having to attack them. This means they do not have to spend the 1 Token to conquer River regions. Your confusion seems to be coming from the "conquer it as normal" part of the rules. This does not mean they suddenly have to spend an extra token to conquer water, simply because someone has a race token in it. This line simply means that if there are 3 Kraken tokens, you have to spend the normal amount to take out those 3 (so you will need 3 tokens of your own). If there is only 1 token, you'll need 1 token as well.

Does that help?

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player1132266 wrote on Sun, 12 May 2013 12:56

As a general rule to conquer a region it is two + 1 for each piece of cardboard on there, When you go into decline, 1 token is left on each region but with tomb you can keep all your tokens and depoy them around your regions on the map, does this help?

To clarify further (in case that is needed, though I think this was quite clear), most regions with an In Decline Token in it needs 3 of your tokens to conquer. 2 for the region +1 for the In Decline token.

For Tomb, you might need 4 (2 for the region +2 for two tokens), 5 (2 for the region +3 for three tokens), etc.

I hope this helps.

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