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van Voort
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If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 09:15
Proof below that hit rate isn't everything, 68% to 42% is not enough for victory


Hit rate does not matter nearly as much as how many you roll, and that is governed by your cards and your stategy.

Unfortunatly I had the cards and Trentdep didn't, and I had the crucial hits at the right time

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=33 251458

      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 13:11
van Voort wrote on Mon, 03 December 2012 03:15

Proof below that hit rate isn't everything, 68% to 42% is not enough for victory


Hit rate does not matter nearly as much as how many you roll, and that is governed by your cards and your stategy.

Unfortunatly I had the cards and Trentdep didn't, and I had the crucial hits at the right time

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=33 251458




Yes, the more dice you roll the better chance you have of making kills and winning. It is crucial to maximize your dice rolls.
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 17:16
Yeah - I think we all kind of get the whole ~ Maximizing Dice ~ thing, but I also think we probably give it more ( or perhaps the wrong kind of ) value...

Rolls are of course determined to a very large degree on cards available, and more importantly, how many units they are able to activate. Is there some element of strategic brilliance in choosing which cards to play? Well - sure, but it does not always take a Rommel to figure it out...

I think we do newer players an injustice in saying ~ Roll More Dice ~, because we frequently ignore ( or forget, as we are busy basking in our brilliance ) that there is a somewhat specific road map to doing so.

I can think of several alternative titles for this post :

~ I don't Care What Your Opponent Rolled - If You Rolled 42% Overall Including 3/6 Against Armor - Stop Whining ~

~ If You Are Dealt Six Gray Cards vs Your Opponent's Two, You Probably Should Play Them ~

( Yes - The Axis had a total of three, but the third was drawn last and was never playable )

~ If Your Second, Third, Fourth and Ninth Cards Are Gray ( Throw In An Assualt And Two Attacks - All In The Center ) You Are Probably Kicking Arse ~

Perhaps the most pertinent :

~ If Your Cards Are Such That You Are Able To Activate 25 Units vs Your Opponent's 13, You'll CERTAINLY Be Able To Overcome A 26% Hit Differential ~

( This would have to be tested on a table top, but I'm guessing even a 100% hit rate could not have saved the Axis in this game )

But yeah - in terms of maximizing your cards, well done!


      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 17:25
What's worse though : Getting skunked rolling 68% against far superior cards, or getting skunked rolling 17% against far superior cards?...

( This was the game I played before the one so eminently posted by the esteemed general )

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=33 251319

      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 22:13
Just my two cents. By the time you get 100 or so games under your belt, you've become pretty efficient at playing this game. Then if you are playing an opponent with the same experience, and especially if it's a scenario you've both played many times, then it's all cards and dice.

I think the only way to separate the really great player from a good one is to have a tournament where you play scenarios that you are seeing for the first time. You will then have to adapt strategy 'on the go' to what you are confronted with in topography,units,and cards. Errors will then be made in strategy, and after playing 5 or 6 scenarios, the better player will come out on top.

I would really love to conduct a tournament this way. Opponents would be decided beforehand and the scenario made available for 4 to 5 hours on one day only. Then it's on to the next one. Unfortunately, the logistics would be prohibitive. However, the excitement would be palpable as each player would anticipate the upcoming scenario, with very little time to prepare.
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Mon, 03 December 2012 22:35
And that is how the Belgian open worked, no player say those scenarios until the time came to walk in.


Though there is a difference between reading a new map, and knowing an existing one (those people who have RBF figured out for instance)
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Tue, 04 December 2012 08:25
I don't agree with Eric. I still learn stuf most days I play this game. I don't think after 100 games you have perfected your playing style.

The way you manage your hand, some players "save up" for a big push and don't mind taking a while doing that. Others manage to shift units form left flank to middle to right flank according to the sequence of cards they play. They can be thinking ahead three to four cards.

I find myself going for that lonely inf man, and then realise my tank is ou in the open without me having cards in that section. (praying for flags Wink )

So I feel there is room for improvement. My next argument is: are there players you "fear" more than others? If so then they have evolved their playing style/strategies further than most of us. (and are worth playing and studying.) Also I see big differences in efficiency in player with only a few hundred games and those who have played over a thousand.

So in conclusion: I feel that I can still grow in the way I play the game and I will certainly enjoy Every minute of that growth. There is still a learning curve out there. Let's get on it. Smile
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Tue, 04 December 2012 09:41
I'd agree with Jeronimon. I've played over 3000 games and I am still learning from my opponents.

One can always learn from unexpected moves and strategies. Some are lessons one will use, others not.

One can play a familiar map and still be surprised. One's cards and dice, one's opponent's dice and cards, play differently in every battle.
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Wed, 05 December 2012 03:07
I stand corrected. I agree that it takes more than 100 games to get proficient and that you do learn new strategies as you evolve. I'm just not sure you learn anything by playing the same map hundreds of times. There is definitely a 'winning' strategy for most maps. If you've played a map hundreds of times your play almost becomes unconscious without realizing it. I guess what I was saying is that two even players playing a map they have seen numerous times, will have the outcome decided by cards and dice alone.

Jeronimon's point of playing someone you fear is intriguing. I have to say I fear the cautious player who sets up his attacks, especially if you know it's coming and have no cards to stop it. I'm more comfortable playing the aggressive player who I can counterattack.
      
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Re:If anyone complains about dice, refer them here Thu, 06 December 2012 02:47
I'm still learning also. Far from being as consistent as I'd like. Often, I think back to one tactical mistake that either cost me the game or made it closer than it needed to be.

The thing I most need to remember is to 'take my time'. Usually, it results in superior play.
      
    
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