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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 08:23
SEMI FINAL:

WASA vs SNS

WASA Kostasss vs SNS Robin-Goldeneye : 1-4
WASA GSV3 vs SNS Stephan1972-Octopussy : 4-3
WASA Geoff vs SNS Will-Skyfall : 1-4
WASA Olle Boll vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs : 4-2


tie breaker: WASA Kostasss vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 08:38
Thx Steven
Thx for a good Late nite show.
Glad we could make it.
Hope wecan see some video

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 11:00
Hi Olof,

Yep - the videos were taken, I just need to reformat them. With my schedule (you know!) it may be a couple of days, but they will be there Smile

Having sorted my own arrangements out, I can confirm:

WASA - SNS SF tiebreaker
kostasss vs. stemayf

Thursday, 2030 CET
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 11:33
I have a humble request when The Final is getting closer regarding whoever meets UEG.
I don't want a rerun of the final where TRUE lost with a forfeit

So please TD:
please inform about deadlines and what happens if forfeit
Also: please don't book 2 matches at the same time
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 13:20
I have no problem with liberal interpretations of deadlines, as long as people take some effort to get things planned and not start messaging the day before. Rules are there to slap unreasonable people in the face, not to be followed slavishly.

Would be nice if the final can be played on a single saturday or sunday or something similar though.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Wed, 12 December 2012 21:04
womble-püzti
4:3

We just played for the fun - not really seriously. Quick and nice games.

Thanks Ari for the games.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Thu, 13 December 2012 08:45
SEMI FINAL:

WASA vs SNS

WASA Kostasss vs SNS Robin-Goldeneye : 1-4
WASA GSV3 vs SNS Stephan1972-Octopussy : 4-3
WASA Geoff vs SNS Will-Skyfall : 1-4
WASA Olle Boll vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs : 4-2


tie breaker: WASA Kostasss vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs : Thursday, Dec 13 - 20:30

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Thu, 13 December 2012 16:55
Final:

If semi gets ready today, we could try to play (or most of) the final on sunday, 16th yet (did not ask my guys yet, but there's a chance).
If not there, i guess, it will be more difficult the next weekend directly before Xmas.

I'll ask my players if there's a chance on 1 or 2 days for the final....

greetings

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Thu, 13 December 2012 18:45
Maybe it is me, but to me the most important factor of the NC Finals is that they are well publicized when they will be. Even making half on one day and half another day would be fine. Weekend or weekday night is not as important as knowing when they will be so we can enjoy and celebrate the games of the match and conclusion of this excellent tournament

So please, ensure we Get the word out early enough so we can plan to be there when these matches will be held.

[Updated on: Thu, 13 December 2012 18:46]

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Thu, 13 December 2012 19:23
I again propose to fix slots, when ur players can play. For example
slot 1 starts friday 8-9 pm
slot 2 starts saturday 6-7 pm
slot 3 starts saturday 8-10 pm
slot 4 starts sunday 8-10 pm

So u can arrange ur players on days, when they are able to play. No big discussion after it. It worked really good with CAT in 2010.

Carsten
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 14 December 2012 06:47
SEMI FINAL:

WASA vs SNS

WASA Kostasss vs SNS Robin-Goldeneye : 1-4
WASA GSV3 vs SNS Stephan1972-Octopussy : 4-3
WASA Geoff vs SNS Will-Skyfall : 1-4
WASA Olle Boll vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs : 4-2


tie breaker: WASA Kostasss vs SNS stemayf-Thunderballs : 4-1

Thx for the games SNS
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 14 December 2012 12:31
Tom,
To be honest, I haven't sent the line-ups yet.
And you?
Do you think it will be possible to arrange all schedules for (this evening?) tomorrow and sunday?
I would be nice of course but feasible?
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 14 December 2012 15:39
ok ok....i guess the weekend 22./23.12. is more realistic:-)

i know that 3 of 5 of us (including the tiebreaker) could play the weekend before xmas....the other 2 going to tell me soon.

hope we could arrange that....

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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 14:20
Maybe a good idea to put our availabilities here. Then, we can decide for 1 or 2 days for the final.

Personnaly, i'm available on
Saturday 15 : no
Sunday 16 : 20:00-23:00
Monday 17 : no
Tuesday 18 : 20:00-23:00
Wednesday 19 : 20:00-23:00
Thursday 20 : 20:00-23:00
Friday 21 : no
Saturday 22 : no
Sunday 23 : 20:00-23:00

Cheers
Vincent
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 15:34
I'm available next week-end
I can start my match on Saturday 1000-1600
Sunday 1300-2100
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 17:44
Unfortunately i am not able to play next weekend (Saturday,Sunday).

But i can play the friday before.

Greetings
Goscha
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 17:55
ok,
seems to be difficult....let's try weekend + friday, maybe there's a solution

gsv : büli could then only be played sun evening as gsv is not available fri. and sat. (büli is available all the evenings, fr, sat, sun)

goscha has to work the weekend (=not available)...could olof play friday as well??

what about kos and sven....??
maybe they'll try friday 21 and/or sunday 23


for me : geoff:

i'm not available tuesday and thursday eve, the rest of the evenings and weekend it's managable....


for tiebreaker:

if necessary would be nice if this game starts not later then about 22.00 cet on sunday, i guess....who plays from WASA? from our side this would be possible.


so long, hope there will be a satisfying solution

tom




      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 18:47
Seems we should play 2 matchs on Friday and 2 on Sunday

Friday 18:00 - match 1
Friday 20:00 - match 2
Sunday 18:00 - match 3
Sunday 20:00 - match 4
Sunday 22:00 - tie-break if needed
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sat, 15 December 2012 22:19
sven cannot play before 21.00-21.30 on friday

so maybe:

olof:goscha friday 19/20.00
kostass: sven friday ca. 21.30
geoff: tom sunday 18.00
sgv: xbomanx sunday 20.00

and if needed, tiebreaker:
kostass: chris sunday ca. 22.00

is this possible for all??

greetings

tom
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 08:04
Sorry goscha/tom
I can't play friday evening but earlier ok.
I arranged my schedule after the wishes to play the final during the week-end.
I can Tuesday start 17-20
Thursday start 10-14
Friday start 1030-1530

I can start my match on Saturday 1000-1600
Sunday 1300-2100
greetings


      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 10:04
OK for Geoff (confirmed by pm) and me.
Still waiting for Sven.
Main issue is Olof/Goscha.
They should try to arrange their match in the lobby.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 20:04
PERHAPS, AFTER THESE PROBLEMS TO SCHEDULE MATCHES FOR THE FINAL!!

RULE FIXED SLOTS!!!!!! ONLY FOR THE FINAL!!!!

just my 2 ct....but since august.....

Carsten

[Updated on: Sun, 16 December 2012 20:06]

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 20:08
play final like any other round. my 2 ct also Smile
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 21:45
TuS Tenniskasi wrote on Sun, 16 December 2012 20:04

PERHAPS, AFTER THESE PROBLEMS TO SCHEDULE MATCHES FOR THE FINAL!!

RULE FIXED SLOTS!!!!!! ONLY FOR THE FINAL!!!!

just my 2 ct....but since august.....

Carsten


There is no such rule, no matter how many capitals and exclamation marks you use, nor has there been a vote or anything similar. In fact there isn't even a deadline, but I'm sure the 9 players will come up with something decent.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 22:27
Sent by pm, might cause pollution in that thread

[Updated on: Sun, 16 December 2012 22:45]

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 16 December 2012 23:53
hell:-)
u could see that gsv and me (incl. all!! the players) are really working on it:

There is no problem by now....i think all those players confirmed the dates:

kostass : sven friday ca. 21.30
geoff : tom sunday 18.00
GSV : xbomanx sunday 20.00

and if needed, tiebreaker:
kostass: chris sunday ca. 22.00


so, last open game is olof : goscha is hopefully scheduled for friday or earlier....



      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 10:10
Well,

I have experiences with scheduling 2 finals, one with fixed slots against CAT, scheduling totally easy, and one with UKB last year, very difficult. Fixed slots should be proposals. Having 4 slots, chances are really good, that u have one good solution for all of ur 4 players. If there's one player, who cannot use one of those 4, u can change the play time for this slot in agreement with the opps Cap BEFORE u send ur line-ups.

And Tom, this is no criticism on urs or Vincents work. Its just a proposal after my experiences. What could u both do without a rule? After all we (TuS and UKB) had the same problems last year. Why don't use these experiences????

To Miguel: In Round Robin we have many more games, good that they are shared all over the week, fixed slots would be nonsense. But it would be nice to avoid finals on tuesday mornings, when nobody watches these games. Avoid them, if not necessary.

Thx truck, for explaining me, that there is no rule. Perhaps my english is too rusty, cause I only use it on holidays or in ttr, to make clear, that that is the reason, WHY I post it. This will be my last post to this theme. To my other posts there was not one reaction, sometimes I thought, my post can't be read.... It's a democracy. If more people want difficult scheduling, we leave it as it is. But it wouldn't be necessary.

But at all, thx for good work again, sven.

Carsten

[Updated on: Mon, 17 December 2012 10:23]

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 11:27
Once again let me confirm that I agree with Kasi.
Scheduling is a lot easier if you agree on times per slot beforehand.

Differences to round robin and also the other knockout stages are:
*) More people want to watch, so it's a good idea to have "good times"
*) Some teams may have a strategy in which order they would like the matches to be played.
With agreed times per slot that's easy - you want your best player to play the last match? Put him on slot #4.
If somebody tries to achieve that with "the normal way", he will delay the process by only offering times to his opp after all the other matches have an agreed date. This is a) not nice and b) will produce a deadlock if the opp's captain has the same (secret) target for another match.

Correct, there never was a vote on that, but I think there should be.
As long as the teams reaching the final get along well, let them do what they want (this year they do, so all is fine).
But I'd like to have the right to ask for pre arranged slot times if I ever make it to a final again.
I suggest a vote as followes:
Shall the playing times per slot be agreed by the captains before the lineup for the final is sent to the TD?
A) YES, always
B) YES, if one of the two captains asks for it
C) NO (if both teams like it, they can of course still do it)
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 11:43
I would suggest you all use the Rules / Discussions thread for discussions about the rules.

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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 12:31
First reaction after the different posts (Carten, dea, Truck, ...)

I agree with Tom. Up2now, there is no issue, but we still need to find a slot for Olof/Goscha.

That's the way how we have proceeded:
Week-End 15-16 DEC was irrealistic to make agreements.
So we decided to play on 22-23.
Slot 1 : Sat 22, 18:00
Slot 2 : Sat 22, 20:00
Slot 3 : Sun 23, 18:00
Slot 4 : Sun 23, 20:00
Slot 5 : Sun 23, 22:00 (tie-break if needed)

Was not possible for Goscha.

So we decided to play on 21 and 23.
Slot 1 : Fri 21, 18:00
Slot 2 : Fri 21, 20:00
Slot 3 : Sun 23, 18:00
Slot 4 : Sun 23, 20:00
Slot 5 : Sun 23, 22:00 (tie-break if needed)

Possible, except for Olof.

In fact, this is exactly the same as you proposed to add in a specific rule.
When there are 2 motivated captains, it should be possible to find a solution. But, they need some time to arrange it.

For the moment, we have:
Slot 1 : Olof/Goscha ???
Slot 2 : Kostas/Sven Fri 21, 21:30
Slot 3 : Geoff/Tom Sun 23, 18:00
Slot 4 : GSV/Büli Sun 23, 20:00
Slot 5 : Kostas/Chris Sun 23, 22:00 (tie-break if needed)

Regards,
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 12:39
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AT_dea1 écrit le Mon, 17 December 2012 11:27

*) Some teams may have a strategy in which order they would like the matches to be played.



Absolutely correct, but not always possible.
For example:
Player X vs Player Y.
Player X, team A likes to play in 4th position.
Player Y, team B, likes to start the clash.

You always have to put some water in your wine.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 15:03
WASA GSV3 schrieb am Mon, 17 December 2012 12:39

Absolutely correct, but not always possible.
For example:
Player X vs Player Y.
Player X, team A likes to play in 4th position.
Player Y, team B, likes to start the clash.

You always have to put some water in your wine.


That's why I suggest to agree on playing times per slot BEFORE sending in the lineup.
That's the way to make it possible, because players X and Y wouldn't meet.
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Mon, 17 December 2012 16:19
We have our slots

Slot 1 : Olof/Goscha Fri 21, 15:30
Slot 2 : Kostas/Sven Fri 21, 21:30
Slot 3 : Geoff/Tom Sun 23, 18:00
Slot 4 : GSV/Büli Sun 23, 20:00
Slot 5 : Kostas/Chris Sun 23, 22:00 (tie-break if needed)

First slot is not very 'decent', but if both teams agree, I don't see the problem.

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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 21 December 2012 17:49
NC FINAL

Olof/Goscha : 4-3
Kostas/Sven : Fri 21, 21:30
Geoff/Tom : Sun 23, 18:00
GSV/Büli : Sun 23, 20:00
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 21 December 2012 23:36
NC FINAL

Olof/Goscha : 4-3
Kostas/Sven : 4-3
Geoff/Tom : Sun 23, 18:00
GSV/Büli : Sun 23, 20:00
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Fri, 21 December 2012 23:47
...it's proven that you CAN win a seventh game against an UEG member Shocked

The secret is NOT to lead 3-2 before, DARRRRRRRN Laughing somebody should have told us!

But maybe two times ain't enough....

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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 23 December 2012 19:54
Grats Team WASA!
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 23 December 2012 20:00
GRATS TEAM WASA
GRATS KOSTAS AND VINCENT FOR THE DOUBLE Wink


Really great games

Grats UEG for reaching the final and close games

[Updated on: Sun, 23 December 2012 20:03]

      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 23 December 2012 20:02
Grats Wasa.

Sorry group A Razz !
      
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Re:NC 2012: Final Rounds Sun, 23 December 2012 21:06
LOL Laughing

Sorry group A Razz !

      
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