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The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 11:43
Quick question, which even though I've looked at the FAQ (Scenarios) I'm still not too sure on.

The Tatsinkaya scenario requires the capture of the Airfield for the Axis to win, (ie as one of their 10 medals). I get this. Its a permanent medal, so the Axis forces don't need to maintain a presence on the airfield hex.

The only reason I'm checking this is that the wording in the FAQ suggests you have to OCCUPY the Airfield in order to win. The FAQ agrees with this, but suggests CAPTURING the Airport is req'd.

To me, 'occupy' suggests they have to have a unit on the airfield at the point they reach their 10 medal haul, but I know that's not required if its a permanent medal objective. Leaving the airport still gets you the medal, but then it becomes UNOCCUPIED?

Is 'capturing' the airport enough?

(I'm wondering if the airport can even be lost to the Allies after claiming it for the Axis, but that is still ok for a victory condition?)

Cheers

Jim

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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 13:04
Hello Jaykay2010,

I thing you miss something in the scenario. Here are the right rules of this scenario :

10 Medals, including the Tatsinskaya Airfield for the Allied player.
The Tatsinskaya Airfield is a Permanent Medal Objective for the Allied player.


So there is no ambiguity, a permanent medal doesn't require to stay in the hexagon of the medal (in this case, even if the Germans recapture the airfield).

I hope you like the scenario.
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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 14:29
Fab.. that's what I thought Smile

It was more the way the question in the FAQ was worded that threw me i think.

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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 21:29
Hello again Jaykay,

Ok, I have seen the problem in the English FAQ and I understand what is the trouble. It's better explained in the French FAQ, and the right way is as I said before. In other words : to win the Russian player has to get the permanent medal but it has not the obligation to occupy definitively the airfield.

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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 22:06
jdrommel wrote on Fri, 01 February 2013 00:29

Hello again Jaykay,

Ok, I have seen the problem in the English FAQ and I understand what is the trouble. It's better explained in the French FAQ, and the right way is as I said before. In other words : to win the Russian player has to get the permanent medal but it has not the obligation to occupy definitively the airfield.

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Please let me know how I can change the FAQ wording so that it is more clear and I'll get it fixed for the next update. Smile
      
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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Thu, 31 January 2013 23:21
Hello Jesse,
Happy to read you !
In the FAQ, maybe you can write in the answer something like : "To win, the Russian player needs 10 medals including the permanent medal of the airfield".
I think in this sense,it is enough clear for everybody.

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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Fri, 01 February 2013 04:44
Very good. Here is what I have changed the entry to:

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Q. In The Tatsinkaya Raid the Conditions of Victory text seems to imply that the Russians must occupy the Airfield in order to win. (I understand it’s a Permanent Objective - but the winning conditions say “10 medals, including the Airfield for the Allies). Is this correct?
A. Yes. To win, the Russian player needs 10 medals including the permanent medal of the Airfield. This does not mean that the Russian player needs to have a unit on the Airfield hex at the end of the game, as long as he captured it sometime during the battle.


Does that make it clear enough? Thanks for the help! Very Happy

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Re:The Tatsinkaya Raid (Breakthrough) Fri, 01 February 2013 13:45
lol I think the simple outworking of this is the confirmation that the medal is a permanant objective medal.

I think maybe the question itself is the confusing part, as it suggests the text for victory 'implies the Russians must occupy the airfield in order to win'. Going back to the victory conditions text, there is no mention of 'occupying', but simply the need to gain the medal as one of the 10 needed, so I think that is the misleading part, (the question itself). Does that make sense?

The answer is completely clear Smile I think what you have now is more helpful than before certainly Smile
      
    
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