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onyx puffin
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Fusion Cup Play-offs Wed, 13 March 2013 03:50
Here is a reminder about how the The FUSION CUP Play-offs will work:

This is the rule:

Playoffs

b) Group assignment will be done using similar format as Nation's Cup rule 13.5 and/or adapted adequately to the number of teams registered.


What does rule 13.5 say ?

11-16: Round robin, 2 groups, with QF, SF and F. #1s choose opponent of other group in QF; cannot meet other #1 in SF, cannot meet best classified of own group in SF.
11: (1,4,5,8,9) and (2,3,6,7,10,11), 9 weeks
12: (1,4,5,8,9,12) and (2,3,6,7,10,11), 9 weeks


Point being: After the places are decided, the teams finishing #1 in Atomic and Big Bang will choose their opponent. After those choices, then the highest finishing teams not chosen, goes into the slot away from the #1 team's side of the play-off bracket.

Timeline: QF Line-up in by March 19, Line-ups posted March 20.
matches must be played by March 28.

SF Line-up in by March 29, Line-ups posted March 30.
matches must be played by April 7.

FINAL Line-up in by April 8, Line-ups posted April 9.
matches must be played by April 15.







      
GANG_Truckerteller
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Sat, 16 March 2013 13:05
Where can I find the rules for the play-offs ?
What happens in case of a tie 2-2 ?
Games won ? What happens if games are also a tie 12-12 ?
      
onyx puffin
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Sat, 16 March 2013 14:16
Answer to truckerteller question:

Rule: 3.6 Clash Scoring
...

In determining overall records for advancing to the knock-out/play-off phase, Clashes won is primary determining factor. In case of a tie, First tiebreaker is clashes won, then matches won, then points won, then TAG result, then AAT result, then US/EU result, then USA result.

[Updated on: Sat, 16 March 2013 14:16]

      
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Sun, 17 March 2013 00:12
>>TIKI PLAYOFF PAGE<<
      
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Sun, 17 March 2013 23:51
BTB will play GP in Quarter-Final

Top bracket
BTB - GP
GASP - CF/LOL/GANG

Bottom bracket
PPB - Cf/LOL/GANG
GURU - CF/LOL/GANG
      
onyx puffin
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Mon, 18 March 2013 01:31

Top bracket
BTB - GP
GASP - LOL


Bottom bracket
PPB - CF
GURU - GANG


Line-ups to me by end March 19th. I will publicize them here when I get both teams.

[Updated on: Mon, 18 March 2013 21:07]

      
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Mon, 18 March 2013 07:40
PPB will play CF in Quarter-Final

Top bracket
BTB - GP
GASP - LOL

Bottom bracket
PPB - CF
GURU - GANG

[Updated on: Mon, 18 March 2013 07:41]

      
onyx puffin
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Tue, 19 March 2013 03:11
QF Quarter Final Top Bracket
BTB - GP
USA : BTB-pegaso vs. GP Diplodokus
U/E : BTB Sysyphus vs.GP haxxli
AAT : BTB Val vs. GP GenuineFauxFarm
TAG : BTB Cromze/BTB ommie vs. GP Patterson/GP hogika

LOL-GASP

USA : neozen - lol vs RMarkes
US/Eu. : onyx puffin LOL vs Schwen
AAT : maia lol vs womble
TAG : Mr Bean/LOL Pammes vs Anu_/Angel6

QF Quarter Final Bottom Bracket
PPB - CF
USA : PPB 335d vs. True
USA+EU : PPB belelule vs. Qorlas
AAT : PPB-Knockando vs. Miguel
TAG : PPB-pomme verte + PPB-Knockando vs. WW/True

GANG-GURU
US: GANG-dea1 vs. Guru Carsten
US/EU: GANG-Truckerteller vs. GURU Vince
AAT: GANG-chrismmm vs. GURU Will
TAG: GANG-Hecki/GANG-dea1 vs. GURU Brad/GURU Drake

[Updated on: Wed, 20 March 2013 03:13]

      
Sysyphus
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Tue, 19 March 2013 18:29
LOL vs GAsP

USA : neozen - lol vs RMarkes
U/E. : onyx puffin LOL vs Schwen
AAT : maia lol vs womble
TaG : Mr Bean/LOL Pammes vs Anu_/Angel6
      
Tyrana
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Wed, 20 March 2013 22:37
Quick question...

According to this thread for QF's:
Timeline: QF Line-up in by March 19, Line-ups posted March 20.
matches must be played by March 28.

According to the ticki page for QF's:
Timeline: QF Line-up in by (Wednesday) March 19 by 11PM CEST/CET,
Line-ups posted by (Friday) March 20.
Matches must be played by (Sunday) March 28. by 11PM CEST/CET

28March2013 is a Thursday... to be clear which day/time is the deadline to have played all games the QF round?

Thanks Smile
      
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Wed, 20 March 2013 22:41
Yes it is a Thursday, the sunday note was meant for the Round robin only.
      
Vballman20
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Thu, 28 March 2013 01:09
onyx puffin LOL wrote on Sat, 16 March 2013 06:16

Answer to truckerteller question:

Rule: 3.6 Clash Scoring
...

In determining overall records for advancing to the knock-out/play-off phase, Clashes won is primary determining factor. In case of a tie, First tiebreaker is clashes won, then matches won, then points won, then TAG result, then AAT result, then US/EU result, then USA result.



Just a suggestion for the future of FC. I would recommend a tie breaker match instead of looking at the individual matches, in the playoffs. That tie breaker match is to be a random choice by the TD of the 3 single player matches, and the 2 players involved are chosen by the opposing teams captain. So, a tie during a clash would result in something a little more interesting and make everyone become better all around players for FC. There would be a large amount of strategy involved in picking the opposing player because the type of match would not be determined until after the players were chosen.

As a TD, you could create a random way to pick either AAT, US/Euro, or US (Maybe a roll of a die, 1 or 4 = AAT, 2 or 5 = US/EURO, 3 or 6 = US). Just my own input, but I don't like the idea of a tie coming down to a TAG match when most of the TTR community doesn't play TAG or rarely/never plays TAG. Since I saw that TAG match is first decider if everything else is a tie...
      
GANG_dea1
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Thu, 28 March 2013 11:26
Interesting ideas, Brad Thumbs Up

2 problems I see
1) While picking the player for the decider match from the opposing team certainly adds spice, I don't think it's feasible.
You pick s.o. who doesn't own all the AAT maps, dice rolling decides on AAT - now what?
You pick s.o. who isn't available at the given dates (or claims to be not available Rolling Eyes ) - now what?
We also would probably lose some teams/players, as nobody would like to add a weaker player or somebody with no experience but US, knowing that this player would always be picked for decider games.

2) Having a decider match has 2 flaws
a) It brings a huge risk that we cannot stick to the schedule. Imagine you and I had to play decider for the GURU-GANG match.
We would know that a decider is needed on Friday, after Chris vs Will. Therefore captains could decide Friday night who they want as opponent. TD rolls die on Saturday and publishes result. Finding a date on a Sunday at short notice is probably not realistic. So if none of us can take time off work, the match will be played a week later ...
b) It puts too much emphasis on a single player, as we saw in NC.
In NC is was on the strongest player, here it will be on the weakest (probably it would always be the same who is picked).


Maybe the rolling dice idea can be applied to determine the tiebreaker sequence.
Before each section (RR, QS, SF, F) starts, TD decides randomly which map is the first of those tiebreakers.

But well, that's probably all pretty academic, as we have games/points won as prior tiebreaker. This makes it a lot less likely to encounter the situation where a decider match would be needed than in NC.
... and now let's hope that Chris and I don't win exactly 3 games in our remaining 2 matches to prove me wrong Smile
      
Vballman20
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Thu, 28 March 2013 15:39
Very Happy Very Happy Dea, valid points!!

I am saying this not just because of our match, but because a playoff match should have a clear winner. I think if there is a clear difference in games won, you have a winner.

But if there is a tie 2-2, and games are tied, like Truck stated; I don't love the idea of a tie breaker being based off of TAG, which is almost guaranteed to not be a tie. TAG is not a match that many people are experienced with, and there are clearly a small group of people who are experts with TAG, so I don't like the idea of that being the tie breaker.

So, instead of the initial proposed idea, maybe in the playoffs the captains send in the lineup with the 5 match player being if needed, still not knowing what the match would be. But when the TD posts the lineups, he posts tie breaker game if needed, lists what the match will be, and who the players are as sent in by the captains. That way, those 2 players can be in contact, and if you end the round on Thursday, you have 3 days to play the decider if needed...but the 2 players involved would already have the time to discuss when they could play in a 3 day window.

This would not delay the tournament very much, and would create an interesting variable. However, if it was only to be used in the case of a 2-2 tie, and a games tie as well (12-12), the tie breaker would not be used often, but would be a better way (in my opinion), to decide a match. Very Happy I think if games won is clearly in favor of one team, that team is the winner and no decider is needed.

Any Better?? Very Happy
      
Pammes
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Thu, 28 March 2013 16:38
as it looks now,
seems that all semi finalists are from big bang round robin group
(GURU still has a chance to change that Surprised)
so much for seeding ggg

poor XO and EDF for being in that horror group in round robin!

happy easter to all Very Happy Smile
and have fun playing TTR

[Updated on: Thu, 28 March 2013 16:42]

      
GANG_dea1
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Thu, 28 March 2013 16:41
GURU Brad schrieb am Thu, 28 March 2013 15:39


Any Better?? Very Happy

Looks good - let's keep it in mind for the aftermath.

I suggest we open a thread with suggestions and lessons learned right after the end of FC.

*) Shall we have Fusion Cup again next year?
*) What was good?
*) What was not so good and how could we change it?
*) Are there any enhancements people would like to see?
      
onyx puffin
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Fri, 29 March 2013 19:53
PLAY-OFFS - Semi-Final

GANG vs CF:

US: GANG-Hecki vs. CF True
US/EU: GANG-Truckerteller vs. CF Qorlas
AAT: GANG-chrismmm vs.CF Miguel
TAG: GANG-Hecki/GANG-dea1 vs. CF True / CF wostwuist

BTB vs. LOL

USA: BTB Sysyphus vs.- Mr Bean
U/E: BTB Val vs. - Neozen
AAT: BTB yaelka vs.- onyx puffin
TAG: BTB Pegaso / BTB ommie vs. - maia / pammes
      
onyx puffin
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Re:Fusion Cup Play-offs Mon, 08 April 2013 01:03
PLAY-OFFS - Final

GANG vs BTB:

US: GANG-Hecki vs. BTB - pegaso
US/EU: GANG-Truckerteller vs. BTB Val
AAT: GANG-chrismmm vs.BTB yaelka
TAG: GANG-Hecki/GANG-dea1 vs. BTB Sysyphus/ BTB cromze
      
    
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