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JFKoski
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Odd opponents like British vs French? Sun, 03 November 2013 18:52
Since we have national rules for M'44, it's interesting to consider pairing them up. World War II saw battles all over the world, so it's possible various powers did battle, and I've found some scenarios (mostly by jdrommel).

Nations 3 vs 5
My favorite is The Battle of Hong Kong, an amphibious landing by Japanese vs the British. It's an official scenario that I post from time to time in my Online slot even though British tanks are programmed to move 2, but should move 3 in this scenario. It's also one of the few beach landings with artillery, but getting them ashore is moot.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=1638
There are several other SFTF scenarios featuring BCF vs Japanese Infantry, such as [Malaya] Battle of Jitra.

Nations 5 vs 7
The British in 1942 invaded a French Colony, [Madagascar] The Capture of Diego Suarez. The British have the advantage, and they've been given Recon as Air Strikes. I advise playing it with 1d Air Power for both sides (Equipment Pack rule) so the Vichy French aren't totally overwhelmed. It's set to use mostly desert tiles on the green board to give it the East African look.

Nations 2 vs 3
The Soviets were worried about fighting another war with Japan. There was a border skirmish in 1939 in [Manchuria] Khalkhin Gol - Action 1 (and Action - 2). Naturally they have to run cards through the Commissar!
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=2282

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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Sun, 03 November 2013 19:53
Nations 7 vs 7
After the fall of France, French colonists would decide where their loyalties lie. In [Gabon] Landing Near Libreville The Free French decided to liberate the Vichy French colony. The defeated were given the option of joining the victor's side, but many chose not to.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=9176
French badges show elite troops not Resistance.

Nations 1 & 2 vs 7
Anti-Communism was strong during the 1930s. Some Vichy-French collaborators signed up for the East Front to fight the Soviets. In January 1943, they were assigned to clean up resistance fighters in [Russia] Combing Operation. Isolated Soviets commanders still have to use Commissar, but at least they operate like Resistance units!
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=2523

Nations 1 vs 7
It was bad enough French Colonists fought against their liberators, but some Vichy/Milice French fought the French Resistance in [French Resistance] Tragedy of Glieres Maquis
Presumably the 4 Vichyst units can use French Army Rules.

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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Sun, 03 November 2013 20:43
Some of the following aren't "odd" opponents but there aren't that many scenarios with these match-ups.

Nations 6 vs 7
The Allies had forlorn hope that Italy would join them, like they did in WWI. When it looked like France was about to fall, Italy declared war against France and saw some action at [France 1940] Battle of "La Seigne" Pass
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=4621
Once the Free French Army formed up, they fought the Italians in 1941 in Eritrea, East Africa.
[Eritrea] Battle of Cub-Cub is the most interesting and allowed the French to use their "Stay-in-Place" Attack more than other scenarios.
The Oath of Kufra is an official scenario set in 1941 in North Africa, which would make a good start of a campaign, following the Free French.
[Desert War] Qaret El Himeima has the French Army advancing in the dark against the Italians in 1942. Once daylight hits, German tanks can enter the board to come to the rescue.

Nations 2 vs 6
Italian units fought the Soviets which shouldn't be surprising. An official scenario titled, Operation Little Saturn was published in the Equipment Pack Bonus Scenarios book, but it's still not online to post After Action Reports. (Also, Yasnaya Polyana and Cavalry Charge at Chebotarevsky.) If you are in touch with Customer Service or R.Borg, please pass on the message to have the EP Bonus Scenarios in the listing (as either Classified or Unclassified) so we can post AARs.

Nations 6 vs Germans
After the fall of Italy, a few Italians joined the Allies to fight the Germans at [Italy] Mignano Monte Lungo - Action 2. Fortunately, they didn't take the Italian High Command with them! So in this one, it's just "Italian Flag Rules" as I call the original Nations 6 card. They should have done a Nations 6b like they did for 2b, to distinguish them. If you've never seen an Italian Special Forces, there it is on the baseline-Left!
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=8967

[EDIT:]An acquaintance showed me his campaign book scenarios. I saw one called The Rescue of Mussolini by the Germans from Italian forces. Since C.B. may have come out before the Med. pack, I guess you could play this one three ways: Germans vs "Allies" (as written), Germans vs Italians w/flag rules, and Germans vs Italians w/High Command Rules. It works like Pegasus Bridge: Italians start with 2 cards and draw 2 the next two turns up to 4. We had an Italian SFTF like this, so with Italian High Command in that one, the Italians drew 2 cards the next 4 turns up to 6 (unless they had to discard). [/EDIT]

I don't suppose the Marines (Nations 4) were sent anywhere but against Japan, or that any minor (or major) country would be able to use the superior Marine command rules in battle.
I thought there might be a French vs Japanese battle, but while Thailand gets to use Japanese figures, they don't get to use the Japanese Nation rules.

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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Tue, 05 November 2013 17:38
I have another British - French battle from Madagascar

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1031 9


Goose Green

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1240 7

British Paras with Gung Ho versus Argentine Italians


Raid on Drvar

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1024 2

SS v Yugoslavs


I also recall:

Slovak Invasion of Poland, not one of mine

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=9849
      
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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Tue, 05 November 2013 17:44
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I don't suppose the Marines (Nations 4) were sent anywhere but against Japan, or that any minor (or major) country would be able to use the superior Marine command rules in battle.


Marines in Europe garissoned Iceland and also were stationed in Ulster

I don't think they saw any combat



I don't restrict the game mechanic to the fluff

If I want to simulate something then I use it - hence I use Gung Ho with British paras.

I'd also consider Commissar rule to reflect any side that was not reacting as fast as the opposition - 1940 French for example

You will also see that in Ironclad and other scenarios where I use British Armour for heavy tanks like Churchills and KVIs and american tanks for normal armour

You can do this because of the way the online engine works
      
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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Mon, 18 November 2013 23:39
van Voort wrote on Tue, 05 November 2013 11:38

Raid on Drvar

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1024 2

SS v Yugoslavs



http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=10242
Yeah, I remember being excited to play your Yugoslavian scenario with you Online. I think it was a blowout though. It looks like you updated it some since we played to make it a 5 vs 9 medals.

I think M'44 Online isn't letting cemeteries ignore a flag. You might want to try putting sandbags on them and setting them as sea walls in expert tab. But since I don't see any tanks, you can put hedgehogs on them instead.

Also, I think the depleted units still count as a medal, which is different from the campaign book rules. But if you want it that way, that's cool.

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I've since played:
Capture of Diego Suarez; British won 6-4 and 6-2,
Khalkhin Gor-Action 1; Japanese won 7-4 and 7-3,
Mignano Monte Lungo - Action 2, Allied Italians won 6-4 and 6-4, and
Battle of "La Seigne" Pass, Italians won 6-4; French won 6-0 (0 means no bunkers).

Today I just finished:
Tragedy of Glieres Maquis; Axis and collaborators won 6-5; French Resistance won 6-4.
This has mountains with forests-on-hills and towns-on-hills nearby which I like. I've played other scenarios with mountains recently, but still found I should have brushed up on it. Unlike hills, unconnected Mountain ranges don't get the "plateau effect" when shooting across the gap.
We played with French Army rules for the 4 collaborators, but they didn't get to use the "Stay-in-Place" attack.
This reminded me of the Vercors Campaign scenarios, but without the mortar from the Campaign Book. If you play face-to-face you should be able to set up with Eastern Front and Terrain Pack.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/memoire_board/?id=7305

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Re:Odd opponents like British vs French? Wed, 20 November 2013 21:32
Yeah, that was one of my earlier ones where I was still getting things together

I will go back at some point and redo my earlier ones. I think the concepts are fine, but they need some balance work
      
    
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