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boersma8
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Tide of iron and memoir 44 Wed, 13 November 2013 10:16
Hey guys,

I own both these games and all its expansions (multiples in many cases as well as two base sets for each game). Anyway, what I really enjoy about memoir is its simplicity: even when I haven't played it for say half a year, it only takes around 5 minutes and you're back in the game! Secondly support for memoir has always been outstanding (still waiting for something new for Christmas; personally I'd like a proper early war French army Cool

What I like most about TOI is that it offers a slightly deeper gaming experience (especially "slightly" because with all the expansions memoir has seen over the years, all the different types of units, the air pack, SWA's etc. the difference is really not as big as it may seem to some). What I also like about TOI is the larger variety of units: there isn't just a generic tank unit; no there are several! Also the quality and finishing of the miniatures is way better than in memoir.

Support for TOI has unfortunately left a lot to be desired for a long time. However, for those of you that haven't heard; TOI was recently licensed to 1Agames and they have incredible plans for TOI and since they clearly love the game themselves over at 1A I have no doubt that this time round support will be outstanding!

Anyway, to make all these great plans a reality, TOI needs our help as [miniature] wargamers. Please check the link below and let's all unite as wargamers and make a great future for both of these fantastic miniature wargames!


http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1069960/tide-of-iron-nee ds-you

      
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Re:Tide of iron and memoir 44 Wed, 13 November 2013 11:16
Although I Like TOI and have played it several times, Memoir'44 still is number one for me.

Actually just for the reasons you already said.
It's easy to learn en teach, with all the expensions its easy to expand and make it "deeper".
Sometimes there are so many new rules, units and possibilities that I skip certain scenario's.

Besides that, playtime for TOI is to long for me, The most simple scenario takes almost two hours of playtime.
So for me personal, TOI is not offering much more. I'll be more happy if DOW/Richard Borg brings something new to this game Very Happy

      
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Re:Tide of iron and memoir 44 Wed, 13 November 2013 11:34
Antoi wrote on Wed, 13 November 2013 11:16

Although I Like TOI and have played it several times, Memoir'44 still is number one for me.

Actually just for the reasons you already said.
It's easy to learn en teach, with all the expensions its easy to expand and make it "deeper".
Sometimes there are so many new rules, units and possibilities that I skip certain scenario's.

Besides that, playtime for TOI is to long for me, The most simple scenario takes almost two hours of playtime.
So for me personal, TOI is not offering much more. I'll be more happy if DOW/Richard Borg brings something new to this game Very Happy




I do happen to know for a fact that 1A are also working on getting more short scenarios out there and the New core set they have on kickstarter also comes with a quick-start guide to speed up the learning process.
      
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Re:Tide of iron and memoir 44 Wed, 13 November 2013 22:25
Hello,

haven't played ToI myself, but I always have read that it takes longer than Memoir, even than BT scenarios. The learning curve is much steeper and is a bit tricky saying that there is a quick-start guide, which is true if you omit that it also has a separate 16 pages booklet, which makes the whole thing 52...

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/208/987/c034801d09e38e2b878dd9621ca7eff5_large.png?1382126203


I think all the games that have been published have their audience and the best of all is that people can make a choice thanks to the vast diversity.

At this moment, personally I'm quite happy with Memoir'44 - more than that - I love it! but I really want the best for ToI as well.

Good luck to those backing ToI Next Wave,
Cheers


      
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Re:Tide of iron and memoir 44 Thu, 14 November 2013 18:56
I have all the ToI stuff that has come out in the past, and was left with a bad taste in my mouth after actively trying to get clarifications form FFG on rules and scenarios, but they seemed to have thought that ignoring their customer base was the best policy.

Anyway after hearing that 1A took over the rights it gave me hope that ToI might live on, and we would hopefully get all those broken scenarios fixed.

I will pick up this new expansion, but only if I see that it makes it’s way to a retail store in Australia. I mean on the postage that is being offered Canada is $45 and Europe is $50 but it doesn’t even mention Asia/Australia so I can only imagine that it must be even more. Now normally when I get games from the US the postage is normally about $25. Also I do normally pre order and support the P500 drives and the such. On these occasions the games are normally 25% to 40% cheaper than what retail price will be, so when I buy these and add the shipping I normally get them a bit cheaper than what I would If I bought them from a retail store. With the New ToI expansion its going to cost my at least (depending if the postage is even more to Oz) $105.00 and its an expansion. When I bought fury of the bear from amazon it cost me $70 total.

So even though I want to see ToI live on, I can not justify spending $50 or more in postage on an expansion.
      
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Re:Tide of iron and memoir 44 Fri, 15 November 2013 00:45
Aussie_Digger wrote on Thu, 14 November 2013 18:56

I have all the ToI stuff that has come out in the past, and was left with a bad taste in my mouth after actively trying to get clarifications form FFG on rules and scenarios, but they seemed to have thought that ignoring their customer base was the best policy.

Anyway after hearing that 1A took over the rights it gave me hope that ToI might live on, and we would hopefully get all those broken scenarios fixed.

I will pick up this new expansion, but only if I see that it makes it’s way to a retail store in Australia. I mean on the postage that is being offered Canada is $45 and Europe is $50 but it doesn’t even mention Asia/Australia so I can only imagine that it must be even more. Now normally when I get games from the US the postage is normally about $25. Also I do normally pre order and support the P500 drives and the such. On these occasions the games are normally 25% to 40% cheaper than what retail price will be, so when I buy these and add the shipping I normally get them a bit cheaper than what I would If I bought them from a retail store. With the New ToI expansion its going to cost my at least (depending if the postage is even more to Oz) $105.00 and its an expansion. When I bought fury of the bear from amazon it cost me $70 total.

So even though I want to see ToI live on, I can not justify spending $50 or more in postage on an expansion.



Yes, I can understand that, even though I did pay more on shipping for a pre-ordered copy of Stalingrad than the actual cost of the game to the Netherlands.

They'll have to sell in bulk to wholesalers in the future. That should keep the shipping costs at affordable rates for a much larger group of people.

      
    
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