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Flemish_Havy
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SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Sun, 01 December 2013 14:56
Again it happened ! Not all the needed rules mentioned ! Evil or Very Mad

Scenario BONDAGE:
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Scenario mentioned standard rules only, with references to the booklets and websites.

Blitz Krieg rule should have bin specified and also
the bridge was only accessable from the road, not a standard rule !

It ruined our game alot when playing BEL card ! NOT cool !


SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF !!!

[Updated on: Sun, 01 December 2013 14:59]

      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Sun, 01 December 2013 16:14
Hi Flemish_Havy,

Yes, it would be very frustrating to spend money on a scenario that isn't properly vetted. It would be nice to have a thread where we all list the scenario developers who have consistently written good and well described scenarios. We could then refer to it when deciding what scenario to choose.

By the way, after my Pacific Tournament is over, I will put on SFTF a different scenario every week. If you have any requests for a specific theater let me know. I've got many to choose from. I sure wish I could put more than one at a time online.

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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Sun, 01 December 2013 18:02
I try to reflect it in the stars I reward to a scenario:
If a scenario has a feature or terrain that doesn't work or if elite troops are not marked with a badge, it cannot receive more than one star from me.

If everything works, it gets 2 stars, unless it was really not fun to play, in which case it gets 1 star.
3 stars are for scenarios I really want to play more often.

If everyone would apply the scoring of 1 star for scenarios that don't work, it would be easier to spot them.
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Sun, 01 December 2013 23:07
I note also that a game is only properly documented if the rules and regs are done in English and French - yet very people do that and I am also an offender

If you have played a game without rules posted, it is quite possible it was designed and documented in the other langauge
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Mon, 02 December 2013 05:44
Wish there was an easier way to post a scenario in various languages..
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Mon, 02 December 2013 07:08
Etude francais mon ami



Or,maybe this a service people could offer
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Mon, 02 December 2013 14:02
sdnative wrote on Sun, 01 December 2013 23:44

Wish there was an easier way to post a scenario in various languages..


Google Translate.
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Mon, 02 December 2013 15:16
sam1812 wrote on Mon, 02 December 2013 14:02

sdnative wrote on Sun, 01 December 2013 23:44

Wish there was an easier way to post a scenario in various languages..


Google Translate.

- Ask help from players who speak both languages.
- Check out other scenarios that have been translated and that have similar rules than yours. Via this website, you can find the scenario in french.
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Mon, 02 December 2013 16:57
What he said...

Also, if you don't translate, it still might be worthwhile to open a French tab and copy your rules from English there (and open an English tab and copy the French rules there!). The Actions, Troops and Terrain #s are the same, so one could look it up even if they don't understand the words. So add the reference card #s! For scenario authors I created a page with French translations for rules you'll likely have in your scenario.

I now try to rate scenarios as:
3 stars = thumbs up
2 stars = thumbs down
1 star = broken (thumbs way down)

There's quite a number of people who only play Johnny, and rate scenarios they didn't like (i.e. win) as one star. If Johnny can win both sides against you, I doubt the problem is with the scenario!

Also, try to look up the author of the scenario and send them a private message with the problems you encountered. Sometimes they will fix it or add the English rules.

[Updated on: Mon, 02 December 2013 17:06]

      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Tue, 03 December 2013 00:31
Google translate won't work too well where the language is both technical and often translated idiomatically


Temple58 had this problem in Paris when he tried to explain "Stiff Upper Lip" to the guys.

This failed because in French it is not "Stiff Upper Lip" - which google translate renders as "lèvre supérieure raide"

In French it is:

Phlegm Britannique = British phlegm


That must have been an interesting conversation to watch




Similarly


English:

Behind Enemy Lines

Google translate:

derrière les lignes ennemies

French:

Infiltation




English:

Their Finest Hour

Google Translate:

Leur heure de gloire

French:

Action Heroique
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Tue, 03 December 2013 00:32
JFKoski wrote on Mon, 02 December 2013 15:57

What he said...

Also, if you don't translate, it still might be worthwhile to open a French tab and copy your rules from English there (and open an English tab and copy the French rules there!). The Actions, Troops and Terrain #s are the same, so one could look it up even if they don't understand the words. So add the reference card #s! For scenario authors I created a page with French translations for rules you'll likely have in your scenario.



And I was just going to say someone should do something like that
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Tue, 03 December 2013 07:32
This is what you get if you attend the Belgian open.
FRENCH , DUTCH , ENGLISCH.

Nombres Cijfers Numbers
Un Één One
Deux Twee Two
Trois Drie Three
Quatre Vier Four
Cinq Vijf Five
Six Zes Six
Sept Zeven Seven
Huit Acht Eight
Neuf Negen Nine
Dix tien Ten
Politesse Beleefdheid Being polite
Bonjour Goedemorgen Good morning
Bonsoir Goedeavond Good evening
Au revoir Tot ziens See you later
S’il vous plaît Alstublieft Please
Bonne chance Succes Good luck
Pas de chance Geen geluk No luck
Merci Bedankt Thanks
Merci pour la partie Bedankt voor de partij Thanks for the game
Bien joué Goed gespeeld Played well
Tournoi Toernooi Tournament
Arbitre Scheidsrechter Referee
Points Punten Points
À toi de jouer Aan u om te spelen Your turn
À moi de jouer Aan mij om te spelen My turn
À qui de jouer ? Aan wie om te spelen Whose turn
J’ai gagné Ik heb gewonnen I have won
J’ai perdu Ik heb verloren I have lost
Tu as gagné Je hebt gewonnen You have won
Tu as perdu Je hebt verloren You have lost
Égalité Gelijkspel Draw

Le jeu Het spel The game
Un plateau Een bord The gameboard
Une figurine Een figurine A figurine
Une carte Een kaart A card
Un dé Een dobbelsteen A die
Une tuile Een tegel A tile
Un scénario Een scenario A scenario
Un plan Een plan A plan
Une règle Een regel A rule
Une règle spéciale Een speciale regel A special rule
Une unité Een eenheid A unit
Une perte Een verlies A loss
La pioche De trekstapel Draw pile
La défausse De aflegstapel Discard pile
Jouer une carte Een kaart spelen Playing a card
Activation Activeren Activate
Déplacement Verplaatsing Displacement
Tir Vuren Fire
Lancer les dés De dobbelstenen gooien Throw a die
Piocher une carte Een kaart trekken Draw a card
Prise de terrain Terrein innemen Taking ground
Percée de blindés Pantserdoorbraak Armor overrun
Retraite Terugtrekking Retreat
Combat rapproché Gevecht van dichtbij Close combat
Ligne de mire Zichtslijn Line of sight
Une médaille Een medaille A medal
Un objectif Een objectief An objective

Dés Dobbelstenen Dice
Étoile Ster Star
Grenade Granaat Grenade
Infanterie Infanterie Infantry
Drapeau Vlag Flag
Blindé Tank Tank
Troupes Troepen Troops
Artillerie Artillerie Artillery
Troupe du génie Genietroepen Engineers
Train Trein Train
Avion Vliegtuig Plane
Terrains Terrein Terrain
Plaine Open gebied Open ground
Forêt Bos Forest
Ville & village Stad of bebouwing City
Bunker Bunker Bunker
Sac de sable Zandzakje Sandbag
Barbelés Prikkeldraad Barbwire
Colline Heuvel Hill
Rivière Rivier River
Pont Brug Bridge
Barrage Barrage Barrage
Église Kerk Church
Voies ferrées Treinsporen Railwaytracks
Gare Station Station
Obstacle routier Wegblokkade Blockade
Gué et rivière guéable Rivieren en
doorwaadbare plaatsen
Rivers and fordable
streams
Route Weg Road

Enjoy
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Tue, 03 December 2013 07:41
Like I said fellows wish there was an EASY way to translate scenario rules without jumping through hoops.
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Tue, 03 December 2013 13:46
JJAZ wrote on Tue, 03 December 2013 01:32

This is what you get if you attend the Belgian open.
FRENCH , DUTCH , ENGLISCH.

...

Enjoy

Let's see what the Hitchiker's Guide says about that: "...the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different cultures and races, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

Let the games begin!
      
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Re:SCENARIOS THAT NOT MENTION ALL NEEDED RULES SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM SFTF Fri, 13 December 2013 14:46
JJAZ wrote on Tue, 03 December 2013 03:02

This is what you get if you attend the Belgian open.
FRENCH , DUTCH , ENGLISCH.

Nombres Cijfers Numbers
Un Één One
Deux Twee Two
Trois Drie Three
Quatre Vier Four
Cinq Vijf Five
Six Zes Six
Sept Zeven Seven
Huit Acht Eight
Neuf Negen Nine
Dix tien Ten
Politesse Beleefdheid Being polite
Bonjour Goedemorgen Good morning
Bonsoir Goedeavond Good evening
Au revoir Tot ziens See you later
S’il vous plaît Alstublieft Please
Bonne chance Succes Good luck
Pas de chance Geen geluk No luck
Merci Bedankt Thanks
Merci pour la partie Bedankt voor de partij Thanks for the game
Bien joué Goed gespeeld Played well
Tournoi Toernooi Tournament
Arbitre Scheidsrechter Referee
Points Punten Points
À toi de jouer Aan u om te spelen Your turn
À moi de jouer Aan mij om te spelen My turn
À qui de jouer ? Aan wie om te spelen Whose turn
J’ai gagné Ik heb gewonnen I have won
J’ai perdu Ik heb verloren I have lost
Tu as gagné Je hebt gewonnen You have won
Tu as perdu Je hebt verloren You have lost
Égalité Gelijkspel Draw

Le jeu Het spel The game
Un plateau Een bord The gameboard
Une figurine Een figurine A figurine
Une carte Een kaart A card
Un dé Een dobbelsteen A die
Une tuile Een tegel A tile
Un scénario Een scenario A scenario
Un plan Een plan A plan
Une règle Een regel A rule
Une règle spéciale Een speciale regel A special rule
Une unité Een eenheid A unit
Une perte Een verlies A loss
La pioche De trekstapel Draw pile
La défausse De aflegstapel Discard pile
Jouer une carte Een kaart spelen Playing a card
Activation Activeren Activate
Déplacement Verplaatsing Displacement
Tir Vuren Fire
Lancer les dés De dobbelstenen gooien Throw a die
Piocher une carte Een kaart trekken Draw a card
Prise de terrain Terrein innemen Taking ground
Percée de blindés Pantserdoorbraak Armor overrun
Retraite Terugtrekking Retreat
Combat rapproché Gevecht van dichtbij Close combat
Ligne de mire Zichtslijn Line of sight
Une médaille Een medaille A medal
Un objectif Een objectief An objective

Dés Dobbelstenen Dice
Étoile Ster Star
Grenade Granaat Grenade
Infanterie Infanterie Infantry
Drapeau Vlag Flag
Blindé Tank Tank
Troupes Troepen Troops
Artillerie Artillerie Artillery
Troupe du génie Genietroepen Engineers
Train Trein Train
Avion Vliegtuig Plane
Terrains Terrein Terrain
Plaine Open gebied Open ground
Forêt Bos Forest
Ville & village Stad of bebouwing City
Bunker Bunker Bunker
Sac de sable Zandzakje Sandbag
Barbelés Prikkeldraad Barbwire
Colline Heuvel Hill
Rivière Rivier River
Pont Brug Bridge
Barrage Barrage Barrage
Église Kerk Church
Voies ferrées Treinsporen Railwaytracks
Gare Station Station
Obstacle routier Wegblokkade Blockade
Gué et rivière guéable Rivieren en
doorwaadbare plaatsen
Rivers and fordable
streams
Route Weg Road

Enjoy



Hi JJAZ,

This is great! I speak English and a little French, and I try to include some text in French when playing an opponent who speaks French as it is courteous and it helps to build a playing relationship which makes the games more fun. I'll be printing your list off and using it in the future Smile
      
    
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