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Zymurgia
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Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 09:11
Personally I hate ruthless game play and avoid it at all costs. Thus I only join or start games that are advertised as fair or no block. I have started games using the word fair in the description only to have another player viscously block me. Anyone else have this problem?

This just happened in a game with a player names roblee24601.
When I asked why he joined a fair game if he intended to block he called me a whiner.

Any ideas on what could be done to keep nasty players from joining fair games?

Personally, I think someone who blocks you in the very end game thus destroying all routes is not playing fair.

To me, a fair game means you can trust your opponent to respect the playing environment you invited them too. But some players obviously have no respect or honor.

What does the term fair mean to you?
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 09:23
Oh boy, he just opened a whole can without even realizing it! Rolling Eyes Laughing

Let the fun begin. Very Happy
      
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  Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 10:07
Yes indeed. Judging by how many nasty people there are in this game, I fully expect the haters to be very loud on this. Sad Sad Sad
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 16:46
Zymurgia wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 13:07

Yes indeed. Judging by how many nasty people there are in this game, I fully expect the haters to be very loud on this. Sad Sad Sad


It's not that 'haters will be loud', it's more that people seem to have different opinions about what "Fair Play" really is. I don't like the ruthless play myself, with blocking all over the place, but this exact topic has been discussed several times already and it's always a heated debate. Rolling Eyes Smile
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 18:42
hmm. I searched for a similar topic but did not find one. I'll look again. Thanks for pointing that out.

I was hoping there was already some consensus regarding a fair play protocol, but I suppose that would be too civilized!

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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 19:57
Zymurgia wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 21:42

hmm. I searched for a similar topic but did not find one. I'll look again. Thanks for pointing that out.

I was hoping there was already some consensus regarding a fair play protocol, but I suppose that would be too civilized!


What did you search for? I just did a search using the Key Term "Fair Play" and came up with 16 pages of threads... Laughing

Here's a link to one, if you're curious: http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=33602#msg_33602
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 21:28
Hi there,

i managed to find a few (of many Razz ) threads on this subject:


http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=21031&start=0

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=22779&start=0

didn't reread them so i might be repeating myself Cool

Fair is definitely the wrong word to use because it implies that blocking is unfair and that's simply not true!
Let me quote from the DoW website:

Object of the Game
The object of the game is to score the highest number of total points.
Points can be scored by:
* Claiming a Route between two adjacent cities on the map;
* Successfully completing a Continuous Path of routes between two cities listed on your Destination Ticket(s);
* Completing the Longest Continuous Path of routes.

Points are lost if you do not successfully complete the route given on the Destination Ticket(s) you kept.


No mention here of certain tactics or strategy to get more points than your opponent(s) being unfair.

In fact, here's a quote from the game's designer Alan Moon:

"There are multiple ways to play," Moon said. "You can hoard cards, you can build routes as quickly as possible, you can draw lots of Tickets, you can play for the longest route, you can block your opponents, etc. Basically, there is something for everyone."

So, if you do want to play without the blocking, you're missing out on some (essential) element of the game, but that's okay as long as you realise you are the one that's playing 'against' the rules and you should not be calling it "fair" Cool

That said, if you still prefer games that way; why not call them "no blocking" ? That sounds fairly clear to me and anyone joining
a game with that title should obviously adhere to that (or be unfair!) although you could still end up with some tricky situations where it's not so clear if it's blocking purely for the sake of blocking or claiming track you might need in the future yourself etc.
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 22:31
I think 'Fair' is a stupid description, what they want is 'no impeding others'... It's fair to attack other races to cripple them in Smallworld, but it's not fair to cripple others in Ticket to Ride? Why is it 'unfair'? Everyone is able to do it...
It's part of the strategy of the game.

THAT SAID: I have no issue with anyone who wants to play like this. That is absolutely fine by me. If it makes you enjoy Ticket to Ride, I'm happy with that.

I don't like games where people block constantly and only end up blocking, rather than completing routes, that gets frustrating, but if they want to do that, they're unlikely to win. I don't like games where blocking is not allowed either, but that's why I don't join them.

To me, in 'Fair' games, who wins will basically be decided on turn 1, sans a few card draws here and there. If someone gets Van-Mtl and Sea-NY, and you can't block that, they're at a very big advantage.

TL;DR- If you like playing 'no blocking', that's awesome. If you like incessant blocking, that's fine too, just please, leave the 'no blocking' people alone.
      
Zymurgia
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Tue, 17 December 2013 23:22
Thanks for all the thoughtful input. What I am taking away from this is to stay away from using the word fair, and choose no blocking instead. I am sure I will still occasionally wind up in a game with someone who insists on blocking, but at least it will be rare instead of frequent.

I am not a very good player, but I enjoy the game. Someday I might get better, but for now I'd rather have peaceful games with like minded players instead of a stressful war.

Cheers
      
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Re:Thoughts on meaning of fair play? Wed, 18 December 2013 00:33
Zymurgia,

I think you have got the picture...simply describe what kind of game you want to play by saying "no blocking". Sometimes people may jump into games without seeing the title, so you could always confirm the "no blocking" protocol with a question before you start the game. If you do that, I think it will be pretty rare that you end up with someone blocking you deliberately (meaning outside of the normal course of building their routes) and those who do...well, I still won't say they aren't playing fair, they are just being jerks.

I don't mind blocking myself (although I am terrible at it) and it does bug me when I see the title "fair" which is really saying that anybody who doesn't play your way isn't playing fair...I think you can see that it comes across as pretty arrogant and judgemental .. especially when the rules don't have any restrictions and the game designer himself considers it one of the specific strategies. I have had a few occasions where I was awfully tempted to jump into a game and block away just to punish whoever was "calling" me unfair....but so far I have resisted. Embarassed

Truth be told, if I am playing a somewhat defensive game and making sure that I have the right colours and options to work around the obvious blocks I am expecting my opponent to put up against my LA to Miami line....if he doesn't attempt any of the blocks I have anticipated and just goes up north and plays yellow and orange and purple...meaning that I have collected the wrong or unnecessary colours....I think that he is not playing "fair" and I should protest! Razz

One other thing...remember that just because you got blocked doesn't mean your opponent was blocking...take a good look at the tracks and wait to see his tickets before you arrive at that conclusion .. just because your opponent derailed your glorious transcontinental run from LA to Miami by playing Houston to NO after you have laid your 6 blacks and 6 greens doesn't mean he was blocking...he just might have Duluth/Houston and Chicago/NO!

[Updated on: Wed, 18 December 2013 00:38]

      
    
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