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Pedroas
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Scoring system comments Mon, 24 February 2014 15:44
One thing I find hard to come to terms with is the fact that although we can over-perform and lose, the game does not seem to be able to recognise that we can under-perform and win.
Very often you can win just by the virtue of the fact that the dice rolls were more favourable or the cards were stacked in your favour and I know that I have won games I shouldn't have just for this very reason. Is it beyond the game system to recognise this fact? When I look at the stats I take as much notice of the number of dice rolled by each player as the %age hit rates as this gives me a much rounder view of how the cards were stacked.
I would appreciate the views of others on this subject and apologise if it is something that has already been covered.

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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 04:48
Welcome to unexplainable outcomes that seem to happen in history.
Enjoy these times when you should not win and the times that you should win but lose.

History is full of similar recounts of the exact thing you are referring.

Memoir '44 is a game and what you speak of can and does happen both in the framework of the game as well as history.

Do your best, play again and have fun!
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Pedroas
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 10:18
Thanks for your response. I accept that this happens and was not expecting this aspect of the game to change as it reflects reality. All I was asking for was a recognition in the scoring system system of those times when I win although I underperformed. If it is possible to over-perform and lose then surely it must be equally possible to under-perform and win.
This is not a major issue though and if not readily resolved then ignore it.
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 14:40
Pedroas, it's like any game that involves random elements such as cards or dice, there will be times when the person who played the better game still loses. In the long run, it averages out.
      
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 15:48
Hi Sam1812, Thanks for your response. I don't disagree with that aspect of the game, everyone knows that in a game involving chance you can lose even if you play well. When you win a game it automatically states that you have over-performed and that cannot be correct every time. Surely it is possible to perform as expected and win or even under-perform and still win and it is just this aspect I wanted to explore to see if the reporting on performance could show this. I do not in any way want the game to change how it effectively plays as it is this very uncertainty that adds a great deal to its attraction. The game is excellent and highly enjoyable to play and this is not a criticism of the gameplay in any way

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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 16:13
I believe that you're talking about the Online version and how it labels your game with an Over performed or Underperformed icon. If this is what you're talking about, I don't think there's any way for the computer to tell that you underperformed and won.

The only way the computer rates your performance is based on how many medals you earned compared to the average expected for that map. So if you earned the winning number, you Over performed because it's always higher than the average. If you lose but still got more than the average that most people get, you over performed even though you lost. Earned figures don't factor into this 'ranking' because it's just looking at medals earned.

I hope this makes sense, and if I'm off base (because you're talking about something else) then my apologies and you can ignore me. Very Happy
      
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 20:32
Hi Rasmussen81, Thanks for your response and it answers my question perfectly. I hadn't thought of the way the game decides on performance and your example explained how the game simply uses a comparison against the average.

Thanks again
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 25 February 2014 20:56
Hey Pete,
And if remember correctly from another thread I read, the ranking system M'44 online uses takes into account a game you lost but overperformed in. So, a win is a win, but a loss where you performed better than average, like Ras pointed out, counts for a little more for you (or maybe less against you) ranking wise than a "complete loss". I was mystified by those overperform/underperform labels until I understood what they doing and how they worked.

It does feel pretty good to play one of low percentage sides on the harder scenarios and hit an overperform even if I lose...
      
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Re:Scoring system comments Tue, 04 March 2014 16:55
And...if you are wondering why it took so long to understand what you were saying, note that this forum is for the board game and the online game has its own forum:

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/thread/?frm_id=71
      
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Re:Scoring system comments Wed, 05 March 2014 11:24

[Updated on: Wed, 05 March 2014 11:28]

      
Pedroas
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Re:Scoring system comments Wed, 05 March 2014 14:13
Thanks Sgt Storm,

I did not realise there was a separate forum and will use this in future. I shall hopefully be active in this forum when I eventually find someone to regularly compete with on the "real" game.
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