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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 00:13
If this is the new expansion I am extremely disappointed. We already have a Normandy campaign and plenty of D-day scenarios. A campaign book for the Med/North Africa would have been much better.

Nothing official yet, so I am holding out hope that this is not it.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 02:34
Considering that Memoir was created to commemorate the 60th anniversary of D-Day, this is the 10th anniversary of that (and the 70th anniversary of D-Day), and the game has always had such a strong connection to history, I'd bet that it became the inevitable choice for them.

As for other aspects of the new expansion, we have no idea whether there will also be new units, standard-size scenarios, or interesting new rules, too. And we have no idea of the price.

Until we know what the expansion actually consists of, may I suggest that expressions of disappointment are premature?

Personally, I'm excited at the first new expansion in a long time. I'm buying it.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 02:57
Like I said , I am still holding out hope for a Med/NA campaign book or possibly an Italian army.

I have purchased every expansion to this point and unless they totally "Nuke the Fridge", I will be getting what they come out with this year.

I hope we hear something official soon.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 03:49
It may be premature to express disappointment, given we have nothing solid to go on. But it is not premature to let DOW what we want and expect in what we hope is a significant expansion. Given the tenor of the secret messages from DOW released so far, while exciting, is really sort of annoying after about a week, I am a little concerned this expansion will interest only the aficionados (myself included of course, but I am fickle).

This release will determine for me whether DOW is really committed to expanding Memoir 44. I have more than enough scenarios to keep playing the game as it stands today and I love the game as is. But, given the lackluster hardware in the equipment expansion (the scenarios were great BTW) and dropping the battle maps idea (which would satisfy me quite a bit if they returned), I now expect something very significant to keep me spending money. After all, there are other great games I am playing now that have great expansions. So really it's whether DOW gets my games budget or Academy Games, GMT, or Zman Games etc. No skin off my ar... nose.

[Updated on: Fri, 14 March 2014 03:53]

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 11:55
I'd like to see proper an complete Italian, Polish and French armies as well as Char B, Matilda II and IS 2 models which could be governed by the same rules Tigers do. Still find it strange only the Germans have a heavy tanks, whereas the other tanks I've just mebntioned certainly deserve the same description, albeit for the French and British ones only during the early years of the war.

But hey, I guess I will buy this expansion too as I won everything to date except for the bag.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 12:56
boersma8 wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 11:55

I'd like to see proper an complete Italian, Polish and French armies as well as Char B, Matilda II and IS 2 models which could be governed by the same rules Tigers do. Still find it strange only the Germans have a heavy tanks, whereas the other tanks I've just mebntioned certainly deserve the same description, albeit for the French and British ones only during the early years of the war.

But hey, I guess I will buy this expansion too as I won everything to date except for the bag.

Nothing prevents you from making your own scenarios with Char B, Mathilda II and IS 2, and use the tiger minis and rules to represent those units.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 13:41
Quit2 wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 12:56

boersma8 wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 11:55

I'd like to see proper an complete Italian, Polish and French armies as well as Char B, Matilda II and IS 2 models which could be governed by the same rules Tigers do. Still find it strange only the Germans have a heavy tanks, whereas the other tanks I've just mebntioned certainly deserve the same description, albeit for the French and British ones only during the early years of the war.

But hey, I guess I will buy this expansion too as I won everything to date except for the bag.

Nothing prevents you from making your own scenarios with Char B, Mathilda II and IS 2, and use the tiger minis and rules to represent those units.



Agreed on the rules.

As for using the Tiger models to represent Char B's or Matildas, that's a bridge too far for me, hence the plea for actual minis (not that I wouldn't have them from other games, though).

I also refuse to use German halftracks, elefants, 88"s etc. for the Allies, Priests, Long Toms for the Germans etc. I just use the badges. The only unit from the equipment pack I somehow don't mind using for both sides is the cavalry. They look generic enough to my personal tastes.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 14:26
6 different map who can be played together from 2 to 12 players or separately. I think they will be printed and they will use BT deck (on the pic that's the way it looks like). May be you can move unit out of your command zone to give some reinforcement to other team mates. If this is it I think it's great 'cause you can play 6 landing scenario in many ways and many people you want. PLUS I think BT format is so great in conquering strategic points.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 15:48
michelecannone wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 09:26

6 different map who can be played together from 2 to 12 players or separately. I think they will be printed and they will use BT deck (on the pic that's the way it looks like). May be you can move unit out of your command zone to give some reinforcement to other team mates. If this is it I think it's great 'cause you can play 6 landing scenario in many ways and many people you want. PLUS I think BT format is so great in conquering strategic points.


A pack with 6 different breakthrough maps that can be played seperately, or all at once; if that is the expansion, I have concerns about being able to actually play a huge multi player game as seen in the picture.

First, how many sets of figures would be needed? I have doubles and that is all. How many breakthrough decks of cards would be needed? Again, I just have the one. Lastly, the space required to set up 6 side by side breakthrough maps would be a problem, IMHO.

On the plus side, IF all this speculation here in fact comes to be, it looks like all the hills in the picture are elevated, kinda like the plastic Art of Tactic hills, with a "topper" terrain tile placed on top. That would be neat to get hill pieces like that.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 19:08
It would be cool if they had a 5 map Kursk or El-Alamein on the reverse side. More likely it will be Operation Cobra or Battle of the Bulge. I am warming up to the idea, we just need the official word.....game on!
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 19:29
As for the material needed to play a 12 player game of about 6 breakthrough maps next to each other: you have 12 players who must be familiar with the game, so if everyone brings their material, the problem is solved.
Finding the space to put such a large table is indeed a problem.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 20:07
Quit2 wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 11:29

As for the material needed to play a 12 player game of about 6 breakthrough maps next to each other: you have 12 players who must be familiar with the game, so if everyone brings their material, the problem is solved.
Finding the space to put such a large table is indeed a problem.


Why not just use the floor?! Clear the table out of there and look over the battlefield as it's laid out in front of you.

Added bonus: have the kids move the units so you can enjoy the unfolding beauty of the event! Very Happy
      
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  Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 20:34
Quit2 wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 14:29

As for the material needed to play a 12 player game of about 6 breakthrough maps next to each other: you have 12 players who must be familiar with the game, so if everyone brings their material, the problem is solved.


Having to come up with 6-12 players might not be as problematic as coming up with 6-12 players who all have the materials to contribute. Confused

[Updated on: Sat, 15 March 2014 01:16]

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 20:43

Although a mega Normandy would be very welcome, I cannot imagine that this would be the Big Anniversary Surprise that dow has for their fans. Whatever it is, I'll be happy with it. The hope is for an expansion, but really any thing is okay.

But after this long drought I would like to hear from the developers what the plans for the future are. As a fan and completionist Im eager to know if new expansions can be expected.

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Fri, 14 March 2014 20:55
I can see where all this thinking seems to be going with the next expansion being a Mega-battle. Nevertheless, I am also hard pressed to really believe that this idea or concept alone is what is NEW for Memoir '44.
I will be waiting for all the noise to die down and then we will find out what is a reasonable fun option for all of us and future protégés.

[Updated on: Fri, 14 March 2014 22:38]

      
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  Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 01:19
The big battle looks really cool, but I guess I'm hoping the "stay tuned" reason turns out to be something other. Just my .02 cents, but I'll be happy with just about anything new as well. Smile
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 01:23
Kaufschtick wrote on Fri, 14 March 2014 10:48

First, how many sets of figures would be needed? I have doubles and that is all. How many breakthrough decks of cards would be needed? Again, I just have the one. Lastly, the space required to set up 6 side by side breakthrough maps would be a problem, IMHO.

For figures, my first thought was to draft the units from other expansions. 2 Allies + 2 Axis + 2 Russian + 2 Japanese + 2 British + a little help from Equipment Pack might suffice (if you're as much of a "purist" as I am).

Then, it occurred to me that we can use little poker chips, as they do in Axis & Allies.

Cards are a little trickier. 1 BT deck + 1 OL deck + 2 standard decks will get you through 4 boards. After all, we all used standard decks before the BT deck came along.

Space requirement? You'll need to buy a House Expansion. (Personally, I'd play it on the floor, as Ras suggested.)

[Updated on: Sat, 15 March 2014 01:24]

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 06:51
I'd rather dig out my old D-Day game by Avalon Hill and suffer through that than play a Memoir game that size. My tolerance stops at about two breakthrough boards.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 08:14
Don't forget you have little chits representing units already if you have the operation overlord expansion.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 16:16
Quit2 wrote on Sat, 15 March 2014 03:14

Don't forget you have little chits representing units already if you have the operation overlord expansion.


I've got little chits in my old Avalon Hill games. Seriously, what's the point unless used at a convention? At least it will have no widespread use.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Sat, 15 March 2014 20:43
Axis & Allies chips we've thought of before, and that would work well to take care of the figures issue, however the card decks would be a little tough to work around.

But yeah, a game that size would pretty much just be a convention only game. I'm hoping the "stay tuned" comment is not a humongous D-Day map that I'd have to move the furniture out of my living room to play.

I suppose being able to play the maps seperately would be nice though, and I am intrigued by what appeared to be raised hills from the pic. Elevated hill pieces, IMHO, would be nifty! Cool

[Updated on: Sun, 16 March 2014 16:25]

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 10:40
As I said in anoter post, watch for news! Something is coming today. Smug
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 11:53
Antoine wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 07:10

As I said in anoter post, watch for news! Something is coming today. Smug


Of course news would come out today, I'm travelling for most of the day arghhhhh but it's something to look forward to tonight Very Happy
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 12:46
Antoine wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 05:40

As I said in anoter post, watch for news! Something is coming today. Smug

[Insert YouTube video of ecstatic puppies here.]
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 14:20
The secret is out of the bag! Normandy is the landing site...now we just need to secure those beaches!!

D-Day Landings
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 14:52
6 nice extra large breakthrough maps for at home, that can be combined for a giant battle at the club. Nice!
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 15:05
rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 07:20

The secret is out of the bag! Normandy is the landing site...now we just need to secure those beaches!!

D-Day Landings


Well, indeed, it is out of the bag and the D-Day Landings are no longer a secret!! Being the owner of just the original game and playing mostly online, still appreciative of all the work that went into this new expansion and once again bringing to life one of the most MEMOIRable battles in history.

Hopefully will have the opportunity to experience this expansion somehow and enjoy it one at a time or all at once.

Once again, thank you ALL for your efforts and hard work.

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 16:14
Looks impressive .. although I don't have a room big enough for all six boards to be out at the same time!

I have a few questions ..

What are the Troop tokens for Supported Infantry and Supported Armor exactly? Anyone know?

Also .. There is no mention of any sets of cards with this expansion (or even one set)

I wonder how many sets of cards are req'd for each board used?
And which cards will it use ?


From the website:

At least one original copy of Memoir'44 is required to play, as well as the Terrain Pack, Equipment Pack and Winter Wars expansions. (The Mediterranean Theater expansion is also recommended, though not required).


More copies of the base game or expansions are required if you want to play a Double, Triple or Six Map battle.


So an extra Base game per board?
For troop supply presumably?
How many decks of cards (and of which variety I wonder), per board used?

I don't really know THAT many players a)who would be available to play AND b) who would be able to contribute towards the pieces, sadly

I can still see me buying this, even tho I will probably only ever crack out the individual maps, one at a time I suspect, in reality.

It's a great idea, but it does seem to lean more toward exhibition/tournament use, or for those involved in clubs rather than kitchen/dining table users, (especially if you're looking to play with Double, Triple (or more) boards at a time.

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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 17:28
Not what I was hoping for, but I guess to be expected. Sad

The best news is maybe this signals the return of battle maps.

I wonder what, if anything, is on the reverse side of the maps?
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 17:59
Finally glad to see a new expansion. DOW always does a great job with Memoir'44 and I am sure this will be no expection. I have lots of thoughts and would love to get people's thoughts.

1. I own two of everything (expect Campaign books and battlemaps). Do people think with two base sets, two of each of the army packs and two overlords (chits) I could fill up all six maps?

2. I own two of the breakthrough kits and winter wars.
A. Will two BT decks be enough?
B. How are these boards different in size from the BT boards. I have purchased. I know these are preprinted.

3. Given that these boards are preprinted, why is the terrain pack a necessary expansion?

4. Are airplanes (and thus the Airpack expansion) something that comes into play? If this is a stupid question from a newbie on WW2 history I apologize.

5. $35 dollars for 6 boards and extras seems very cheap. Wasnt the BT expansion (with 2 maps) not much cheaper?

Would love to get your thoughts. As always I think that DOW rewards the hardcore M44 fan. This clearly does it. Also it might be an expansion to spur a whole new group of M44 players. Would I have liked other scenarios, besides more D-DAY ones? Yes but I am excited nevertheless.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 18:31
Terrain pack is likely used for some badges and maybe mines?

      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 18:42
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2. I own two of the breakthrough kits and winter wars.
A. Will two BT decks be enough?
B. How are these boards different in size from the BT boards. I have purchased. I know these are preprinted.



All bets are off IMO if you want to play 6 maps at once (until we see the rules/scenarios). Good luck to anyone that tries.

Regular BT should by 13x17 deep. These maps are 23 deep.

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3. Given that these boards are preprinted, why is the terrain pack a necessary expansion?



Probably for badges.

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4. Are airplanes (and thus the Airpack expansion) something that comes into play? If this is a stupid question from a newbie on WW2 history I apologize.



Not required apparently, but it could be an option. I wouldn't worry about it.

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5. $35 dollars for 6 boards and extras seems very cheap. Wasnt the BT expansion (with 2 maps) not much cheaper?



Didn't BT expansion have actual boards, whereas these are paper maps? To me $35 is about right, for bascially 3 battle maps, but no extra plastic figures as in other BMs. If there are other scenarios printed on the reverse, then that's a bonus.

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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 18:44
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How are these boards different in size from the BT boards?


That's easy to tell, the Breakthrough maps are 13x17 and the new Landing maps are 13x23.

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Do people think with two base sets, two of each of the army packs and two overlords (chits) I could fill up all six maps?


I would guess that you need one German and one Allied set for each map, so that would be six German, three US and three British (I don't know if additional troops will be needed for reinforcements).
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 19:54
Any information on the release date or price points?

I'm hoping to have a larger gaming area later this year so this could be awesome!
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 19:55
Vlec wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 11:54

Any information on the release date or price points?

I'm hoping to have a larger gaming area later this year so this could be awesome!


Available in June for $35. Cool
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 20:34
Vlec wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 14:54

Any information on the release date or price points?

I'm hoping to have a larger gaming area later this year so this could be awesome!


I hope its at least 14 feet wide!

The most I would play is 3xBT. With 2 base games, 2 med, 2 EF and 1 Pacific expansion I should be able to cope. Confused
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 21:10
rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 16:25

Vlec wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 11:54

Any information on the release date or price points?

I'm hoping to have a larger gaming area later this year so this could be awesome!


Available in June for $35. Cool



Awesome, thx for the info rasmussen81 Smile
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 21:16
With 288 hexes, each Landing map is even larger than the Market Garden Overlord battle map. All six together ("Operation Neptune") would amount to a dizzying 1728 hexes.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 22:11
I can see a run on people getting extra Breakthrough Decks before they go OoP.
      
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Re:Something new for Memoir '44!! Thu, 20 March 2014 22:38
Achtung Panzer wrote on Thu, 20 March 2014 14:11

I can see a run on people getting extra Breakthrough Decks before they go OoP.


I think DoW will make sure the Winter Wars expansion stays in stock for a nice long time. Smile
      
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