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AAA_dea1
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Drawing inference from opp's behaviour is at your own risk Wed, 05 March 2014 12:50
I got reminded about that last night, so I thought I'd share it again.
Last time the issue was discussed was quite a while ago.

Recommendation:
In a tournament match
- ignore what you see in the chatbox
- ignore the time passing before the opponent makes a move

If you don't, you may end up with conclusions that turn out to be frustratingly wrong and can do nothing against it.

Examples:

Opp types "grats" 2 moves before end - you understand that you'll win this for sure, end the game with your last 2 cards instead of taking the open loco to play a 3 later and find out that this just lost you the game.

Opp types "aaargh" when you play Hou-Orl after his 6 black and 6 green. You continue to block Atl and Mia, while he happily completes Cal-Phe and Hel-LA.

Opp thinks for a long time at his last move, then types "too bad, nothing more to find" - you draw the conclusion that he has completed all the ticks along his route which would make you lose by a small margin, so you draw tickets, hit the worst possible and find out that THIS made you lose because the opp had a dead ticket.

You think for a long time at your last move, which of the many tickets on your opp's route he will have. Opp types "please don't waste time, you don't need to think, you win in all cases" - so you don't draw tickets, and find out you better should have done so because the opp has 43.

Opponents who act like that are not neccessarily assholes, they may also
- have typed "grats" because they were really convinced they would lose this (because they miscounted, because they thought you had other tickets, ...)
- have been simply fed up because they had no locos and bad colors the whole match, so they didn't count anything themselves
- or they may come from, let's call it "Poker background" (as opposed to "Bridge background" where making a wrong statement about your cards would be highly unethical and automatically punished by the TD) and feel that such a psyche every now and then is simply "part of the game".

What to do?
V1) Improve your psychology skills and prove that 2 people can play this game (so you know, when Mr. M says "nothing to find" in an NC match he certainly does NOT have all his tickets)
V2) Ignore the chatbox

V2 may be easier Smile
      
Elric - Sancerre
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Re:Drawing inference from opp's behaviour is at your own risk Thu, 06 March 2014 11:23
Yes... the last night that dea speaks about, was in fact our League match Wink

I don't know if I'm an asshole (no, no, amigos, don't answer, only a rhetorical form Rolling Eyes Very Happy ), but that's right that I had really too many weird, weak or shitty hands during this match to hope on a victory, and finally I typed (twice ? don't remember) "grats" before the end... and once, I was wrong ! Embarassed

But, thank you dea for your sportsmanship (as always), and furthermore for your fine and perspicacious analysis :

GANG_dea1 écrit le Wed, 05 March 2014 12:50

Opponents who act like that are not neccessarily assholes, they may also
- have typed "grats" because they were really convinced they would lose this (because they miscounted, because they thought you had other tickets, ...)
- have been simply fed up because they had no locos and bad colors the whole match, so they didn't count anything themselves
- or they may come from, let's call it "Poker background" (as opposed to "Bridge background" where making a wrong statement about your cards would be highly unethical and automatically punished by the TD) and feel that such a psyche every now and then is simply "part of the game".


When I read this, I thought that you had scanned my brain during our match, cause yes, these 3 points are a mixed of my poor feelings of this last evening and resume it truly well.


Anyway, good luck to my future opponents... to deal with my so soooooo nice and always-so-pleasant mood Laughing Laughing

      
The Tinman
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Re:Drawing inference from opp's behaviour is at your own risk Tue, 25 March 2014 17:14
Seems kind of weird to complain about someone trying to trick you by typing grats but it's ok to try and trick them into beleiving you have tix by going a certain route when you don't. It's all the same. People just trying to win. That's the game.
      
AAA_Lucullupus
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Re:Drawing inference from opp's behaviour is at your own risk Mon, 31 March 2014 00:58
The Tinman schrieb am Tue, 25 March 2014 17:14

Seems kind of weird to complain about someone trying to trick you by typing grats but it's ok to try and trick them into beleiving you have tix by going a certain route when you don't. It's all the same. People just trying to win. That's the game.


Hmmm, what is more important?
To win a game or to win new friends (or keep old friends)? Rolling Eyes
      
pegaso
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Re:Drawing inference from opp's behaviour is at your own risk Tue, 01 April 2014 00:31
In my opinion saying grats in the lobby during a game shoud be considered as resigning in a chess game (no matter that after this you realize you can win, you already lose).

But well, that never gonna happen, and people will continue saying grats without losing for sure...so, yes, the better option is to follow dea advice with most players, and only trust a few others.
      
    
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