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Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 05:06
The idea for a large scale Memoir 44 expansion really came about a couple of years ago. I wanted to do something on a grand scale for the 70th Anniversary of D-Day and the 10th Anniversary of the Memoir 44 board game and I believe Days of Wonder has really nailed it with D-Day Landings.

First off this expansion, by design, is really much more than just one giant six-map Ultimate D-Day Landings game. Sure, if you have a number of friends, all with a copy of the Memoir 44 game and a couple of prior expansions and the space to set up the six maps, what you and your friends will share is an experience that is simply over the top thematically and visually.

For us, however, us being the guys in the Orlando area game group, enjoyed endless hours of gaming, while playtesting each and every map combination of the D-Day Landings expansion.
- 6 Single maps, Sword Beach with the British Airborne landings, Juno Beach, Gold Beach, Omaha Beach, Utah Beach, and the American Airborne Landings, one-on-one with one breakthrough deck
- 5 OverThrough map combinations, with 8 players, using Overlord Command cards and rules
- 5 OverThrough map combinations, played one-on-one with one breakthrough deck
- 5 OverThrough map combinations, as Double map Variant with 4 players and two breakthrough decks
- 2 Triple Map Landings by Nation games, one-on-one with one breakthrough deck
- 2 Triple Map Landings by Nation games, with 6 players and three breakthrough decks
And the Ultimate D-Day Landings game, with 12 players, each map with its own breakthrough deck

That is a total of 26 ways to play. Okay, one map combination we never did try, was to play a Triple Map Landings by Nation with 8 players using the Overlord Command cards and rules, but I am certain this would work and could be accomplished with some minor Overlord rule adjustments.

From reading the forums, I see there have been some concerns raised and interesting discussion about what exactly players are going to need to play the various D-Day Landings scenarios. Truthfully, I also found that setting up the Ultimate D-Day Landings scenario was difficult and I had to ask a few friends to help supply some material for this giant game. Overall, however, we have found the materials required for most scenarios are not overwhelming. If you can gather the following Memoir materials, it should provide most of what is needed to set up and play the single maps and most Overthrough games:
- 2 copies of a Memoir 44 core game
- 1 Equipment Pack expansion
- Badges and tokens from the Terrain Pack
- Breakthrough deck from Winter War
- Badges and tokens from D-Day Landings expansion
- Overlord expansion

Of course if you want the best visuals, 2 Mediterranean Theater expansions would be nice and to insure you always have units to field when rolling for reinforcements, an additional core game would fill the bill and the extra core game will also assure you of having ample units for the OverThrough (Overlord) scenarios, unless you do not mind using the cardboard unit tokens found in the Overlord expansion.

The new reinforcements rules presented us with one of our biggest challenges, because there was really no way to tell what reinforcement units would be rolled and therefore what units will be needed in addition to the units initially deployed in a scenario. It was a challenge, but I would say, it also adds to the overall suspense and excitement of each game.

Players roll for reinforcement units each turn and the roll may also provide a player with additional On the Move orders as well, so even if players are playing with the Overlord Command card deck or you do not have ample breakthrough decks, units can still get moving by the reinforcement rolls.

Supported Infantry and Supported Armor are two new troop types that are being introduced in D-Day Landings. Their unique rules have been around with our group for some time and we were just waiting for the right occasion to debut them.

Before closing, I guess I should comment on the time it takes to play through a scenario. The Ultimate D-Day Landings scenario with 12 players played from 3.5 to 4.5 hours and a single map, two player scenario, in less than 90 minutes. Of course, your playing time and enjoyment may vary.

Although some have expressed concern that this expansion is not for beginners, I would say they are correct, a lot of Memoir material in needed to play the scenarios in this expansion, but we have found, that like an Overlord game, a new player can sit down and still participate and enjoy the spectacle of D-Days Landings, when mentored by his neighboring field generals.

It really is amazing to think that Memoir 44 has been around for 10 years now and this year Days of Wonder will present the biggest Memoir 44 expansion, size wise, to date. Thanks to each and everyone who has supported the game and made this all possible.

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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 05:39
Thanks Mr. Borg,

Great game, looking forward to this special edition and more of what M44 has in the future- truly a classic now!!!
      
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  Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 06:42
Good stuff, 10 years for Memoir...I gotta agree with Q, the game is a classic.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 07:10
Thanks Mr. Borg! It will be amazing to play D-Day Landing exp Smile ...can't wait for it
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 07:10
This is the kind of moment when I wish this forum had a "like" button.

Richard, thank you for providing this peek behind the curtain. I've been looking forward to playing this ever since I first heard about it. It really does feel like this expansion will add a new dimension to the game.

If some players prefer standard-size scenarios, that's their prerogative. Personally, I'm delighted that Memoir continues to be enriched, and I am thankful for the world-wide network of friends that it has brought me.

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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 08:03
why didn't DoW take the opportunity when producing this to run off extra copies of some of the contents, so that people can buy extra breakthrough decks, dice, whatever. Kickstart it if necessary but it's a bit of a black mark in my view that they've not really done anything to help people fill out contents - most fans already have bought multiple copies of all the numerous expansions and still in your own words it might not be enough for some of the scenarios here. Regardless of this expansion, how hard can it be for a company with the resources of DoW to provide (again, via kickstarter if needed) the possibility to bulk out a collection with individual items as needed???????

P.S. some proper engraved plastic dice would have been good as well Smile

expansion looks good though, if a bit bonkers.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 08:34
lambolt, don't forget that Memoir '44 isn't meant to be a solo game! Very Happy With these larger battles, just like with Overlord, the goal is not for one person to own everything you need to play the battle. You're meant to get together with your friends, pool your Memoir gear, and enjoy an afternoon/evening playing a great battle.

Maybe some day DoW will make parts of their games and expansions available for individual purchase, but remember that us game collectors (hoarders? Razz) are a special sub-set of the Memoir community and it might not make financial sense to produce items just for use few to buy. Smile

[Updated on: Tue, 08 April 2014 08:35]

      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 10:47
sam1812 wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 06:10

This is the kind of moment when I wish this forum had a "like" button.

Richard, thank you for providing this peek behind the curtain. It really does feel like this expansion will add a new dimension to the game.

Personally, I'm delighted that Memoir continues to be enriched, and I am thankful for the world-wide network of friends that it has brought me.

Sam


I agree entirely with you Sam and thank you Richard for posting your thoughts and thinking for this expansion. I've said earlier that I thought Memoir expansions had peaked but I'm delighted to be wrong and believe that the D-Day Landings will take the playing experience to another level.

I'm just hoping to have the expansion to play with friends on Friday 6th June! Wink
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 10:56
Mr B.

Thanks for taking the time to expand my already large memoir collection! Really looking forward to these maps hitting the stores. Just purchased another used base game from ebay to increase my reserve of troops.

The big question for me is when will it get released? I am planning a game for 6 June which at this time stands at 3 breakthrough maps, one each for gold, Juno and sword beaches. If I dont need to plan, I won't.

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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 12:11
I have two of everything and I am raring to go with this one. Will the case be able to hold the maps for existing pre-printed expansions?
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 16:11
So Mr Borg, is this your Orlando gaming group?

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1236717_10152090752981713_1519540018_n.jpg

I need to do this in it's entirety!
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 18:13
Yep, these are some of the group.

This picture was taken using the scenario editor maps that I blew up to the correct size. There are a number of things since then that DoW has enhanced in the editor to make all six maps look super.

The picture was taken at Sci-Fi-City in Orlando. That shop has been very kind to let us set up these super size scenarios. Lord knows, I do not have space in my home to set up a game of this size. Florida does not have basements, like I did in the midwest years ago, so I have to depend on the shop for space to do any large scale gaming.

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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 18:17
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 02:34

lambolt, don't forget that Memoir '44 isn't meant to be a solo game! Very Happy With these larger battles, just like with Overlord, the goal is not for one person to own everything you need to play the battle. You're meant to get together with your friends, pool your Memoir gear, and enjoy an afternoon/evening playing a great battle.


Sorry Jesse, but I have to take issue with that first sentence. Memoir '44 base set and most of the expansions ARE meant to be a game that can be played with a single copy owned by one person, whether that is solo or against an opponent. Whether I play at home solo or with my children or friends, in either case I rarely need more than a single copy of Memoir or the relevant expansion.

However, probably what you meant to say was that Overlord or the scenarios the DDay expansion are not necessarily meant to be played solo.

I do agree it probably doesn't make sense for DOW to reprint a bunch of pieces, especially dice, but a Breakthrough deck would be nice.

However, I would like to reiterate that the Breakthrough deck is not critical. Although it has some additional cards and the "On the Move" orders (which might be critical for this expansion), one can get by with regular decks (and just remember to use the appropriate On the Move order for sections cards). So, although slightly inconvenient, I the lack of a BT deck should not stop anyone from enjoying these maps. Afterall, we used standard decks for BT for quite a while.

[Updated on: Tue, 08 April 2014 18:21]

      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 18:55
Mr. Borg,

thanks for sharing the inns and decision makings of your design process.

We will surely enjoy this new set of maps, regardless how we will be able to play them.

As a side note, I love the idea of reinforcements which may spice up the game a little bit and it will add another level of uncertainty to the games.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 19:26
Nice work Mr Borg
Can you tell us more about the outcome of the battle as seen in the picture?
Thanks.
J.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 20:13
RBorg wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 18:13



This picture was taken using the scenario editor maps that I blew up to the correct size. There are a number of things since then that DoW has enhanced in the editor to make all six maps look super.

Richard Borg


Does it mean we can expect a new version of the editor software soon?

Thanks
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 20:24
Sgt Storm wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 09:17

rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 02:34

lambolt, don't forget that Memoir '44 isn't meant to be a solo game! Very Happy With these larger battles, just like with Overlord, the goal is not for one person to own everything you need to play the battle. You're meant to get together with your friends, pool your Memoir gear, and enjoy an afternoon/evening playing a great battle.


Sorry Jesse, but I have to take issue with that first sentence. Memoir '44 base set and most of the expansions ARE meant to be a game that can be played with a single copy owned by one person, whether that is solo or against an opponent. Whether I play at home solo or with my children or friends, in either case I rarely need more than a single copy of Memoir or the relevant expansion.

However, probably what you meant to say was that Overlord or the scenarios the DDay expansion are not necessarily meant to be played solo.



Indeed. I meant that these larger formats (Overlord, OverThrough, etc) are not meant to be played with the equipment from one player. For a long time people talked about how expensive it was to get into Overlord (because you had to buy two base sets). Now lots of people have two base games and some are concerned about how much it will cost for them to get everything to play the D-Day Landings.

My point is that just because we own enough to play Overlord (with us providing everything) doesn't mean we have to do the same for a huge format like Operation Neptune! Smile

I totally agree that the Breakthrough Deck is not critical. It sure will be nice to play with, but people can find other ways to make it work, if they want to. Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 21:24
I'm very pleased to hear that DoW "has enhanced a number of things in the editor" and just hope very much that a new public version will be released soon. As I said repeatedly, the current version 1.2 is nearly useless for me because I can't print any maps under Windows 8 without serious font distortions.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Tue, 08 April 2014 23:14
To be clear, there is no word or indication that DoW is updating the public editor yet. We don't know when an update might be coming for the fans to use (could be tomorrow or not for a long time).

Sorry to be the voice of caution. Confused Smile I just don't want you getting your hopes up too high for something that might still be a while off.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 02:01
Here planning to mix my Overlord and Breakthrough decks and play the British landing, Overlord style, with each field general having 3 flanks (one map).

I only have one game + expansions, but lots of 1/72 soldiers.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 19:05
red_zebra wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 20:01


I only have one game + expansions, but lots of 1/72 soldiers.


That's another good work around. I happen to have Italieri (I think) figures for French army, Partisans, French Resistance and also some others I was going to use for elite German and Allied forces. I've never used them, but was planning on painting them and putting them into action when I had some free time.

They weren't all that expensive if I recall.

But I have no armor or arty. But maybe just add an Italieri infantry figure and 2 tanks to create an armor unit and the tanks would stretch further.

I've also been planning to purchase some German mobile arty figures and some Allied tank destroyers to complement the figures provided in the Equipment Pack.

      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 19:33
Richard Borg and I have been working on a document that will outline how many units, figures, badges, and expansions you need for each set-up. This document will help you figure out how you can set up the battle you want to play by either collecting enough expansions or creating a work-around system that works for you (like different figures).

Basically, you'll be able to play any of these battles if you get creative, even if you don't own everything needed. Smile
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 20:17
With due respect to the efforts by Richard Borg and Jesse, if I understand it right, the new reinforcement rules could lead to the addition of as much as two new units per turn. This will make it very difficult to give any estimate of the figures that will be actually needed.

Also, assuming that both players play very cautiously or timidly (maybe even on purpose), and they get countless reinforcement rolls in the consequence, couldn't the reinforcement rules cause the flooding of the board with scores of extra figures adding up to whole extra armies?
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 20:49
Not to worry, there is a top limit to the number of troops you can bring in. Of course people could play any way they want to, and bring in as many troops as they want, but you can't just launch 100's of troops.

In addition, the document we are creating will explain the starting number of troops on the boards and the recommended expansions people should use. It will be clear when you see it. Very Happy The rules might also answer some of your concerns, when those become available.

Like Richard said, he has tested this expansion extensively, so I think you'll find that it works quite well! Smile

[Updated on: Wed, 09 April 2014 21:01]

      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Wed, 09 April 2014 21:00
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 09 April 2014 14:49

Not to worry, there is a top limit to the number of troops you can bring in. Of course people could play any way they want to, and bring in as many troops as they want, but you can't just launch 100's of troops.

In addition, the document we are creating will explain the starting number of troops on the boards and the recommended expansions people should use. I will be clear when you see it. Very Happy

Thanks Jesse, as always, for this bonus document.
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Sun, 13 April 2014 21:50
I don't know if anyone has thought about adding music to this whole project, but I've finished composing a piece on the piano. It's called "C'est si Clair" (French: It's Clear) and I'd like to know if the boss at Days of Wonder would be interested in my composition as the background music for the launch of the D-Day Landings product.

Thanks!

Carlos Leonardo

Here's the youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P-6L2qLj3E

I can be contacted directly too:
panamax AT gmail DOT com

      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Sun, 13 April 2014 21:58
Achtung Panzer wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 09:47

sam1812 wrote on Tue, 08 April 2014 06:10

This is the kind of moment when I wish this forum had a "like" button.

Richard, thank you for providing this peek behind the curtain. It really does feel like this expansion will add a new dimension to the game.

Personally, I'm delighted that Memoir continues to be enriched, and I am thankful for the world-wide network of friends that it has brought me.

Sam


I agree entirely with you Sam and thank you Richard for posting your thoughts and thinking for this expansion. I've said earlier that I thought Memoir expansions had peaked but I'm delighted to be wrong and believe that the D-Day Landings will take the playing experience to another level.

I'm just hoping to have the expansion to play with friends on Friday 6th June! Wink


Fully agree - im definitely hoping 2 buy - looks awesome, and is a great way to develop the game further.

Thank you!,

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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Sun, 13 April 2014 23:35
Forgive me if someone asked this already but

I know you can play this expansion with 12 people but are there rules to play it with 14 as an Overlord and use all Overloard decks??? How does that work??? Or is this game made to be played with BT deck/Regular decks with all 6 field generals just talking with each other???

I would like some more detail on this aspect of the game please.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Mon, 14 April 2014 00:30
People can play these scenarios with any set of cards or combination of players they want to, but the 6-map battle is only Officially designed to be used with 6 Breakthrough decks and 6 players.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Mon, 14 April 2014 01:16
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 13 April 2014 18:30

People can play these scenarios with any set of cards or combination of players they want to, but the 6-map battle is only Officially designed to be used with 6 Breakthrough decks and 6 players.


you mean 12 right??? or 6 per side???
      
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Re:Memoir 44 D-Day Landings Expansion Some Designer Notes Mon, 14 April 2014 01:21
questioneer wrote on Sun, 13 April 2014 16:16

rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 13 April 2014 18:30

People can play these scenarios with any set of cards or combination of players they want to, but the 6-map battle is only Officially designed to be used with 6 Breakthrough decks and 6 players.


you mean 12 right??? or 6 per side???


Yes, sorry. 12 players...6 per side
      
    
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