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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 01 May 2014 06:35
Hurrah Colonel Pedroas! You made it and have valuable info that perhaps General Jero needs to add in to the beginning of this thread...
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 01 May 2014 14:07
I have now won my Colonel promotion and I am glad to share with you the requirements that I have found. At the risk of repeating a lot of what has already been stated, and acknowledging the efforts of others, I just feel it would be nice to have everything together.

After winning promotion to Lieutenant Colonel it is necessary to achieve the following. I advise that you start keeping records of the rank played on each game and to keep records of cadets that you play against and if they win promotion as a result of beating you. The reasons for this will become apparent. The downloadable spreadsheets that you get from your Officer Career page are very useful for keeping track but don't record the actual rank at time of the battle.
1. It is necessary to win all the official scenarios that were needed for the Lt-Col promotion as both Axis and Allies PLUS the following Med ones "Gallabat and Metemma", "Toulon" and "Tunisia", these are marked ** below, I have also included the full list for reference.
2. Play against 25 different cadets and at least 10 to get promoted against you. Probably best to play them as the underdog in the really difficult scenarios (e.g.as Axis on Arnhem Bridge) that way if they win they get their promotion and if you win then you have got one of the more difficult required wins. This means you don't have to go out to LET them win and they also learn from the experience.
3. Play against all ranks on all fronts as both factions (I set out to beat all ranks and achieved it but now I don't think this is necessary). I found that the Captain rank was the most difficult to find as they are a rare breed and tend to get to Major relatively quickly.
4. After all that, IF you haven't already reached this by the time you meet the above then you need to have played at least 250 multi-player games, win or lose (not sure if SFTF count although previous posts indicate they do).

I repeat this is ALL after being promoted to Lt-Col.

EASTERN
Breakout at Klin
Breakout to Lisyanka
Gates of Moscow
Ponyri
Red Barricades Factory
Suomussalmi
WESTERN
Arnhem Bridge
Arracourt
Counter-attack on Mortain
First Assault Wave
Juno Beach
Liberation of Paris
Mont Mouchet
Operation Cobra
Pegasus Bridge
Pointe-du-Hoc
Sainte-Mère-Eglise
Saverne Gap
St Vith
Sword Beach
Twin Villages
MEDITERRANEAN
1st Armoured to the rescue
Dug in at Sidi Omar
Escape via the Coastal Road
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim
Gallabat & Metemma **
Hellfire Pass
Into the Cauldron
Panzers versus Grants
Sidi Rezegh Airfield
Toulon **
Tunisia **

PACIFIC
Guam Landings
Japanese Counterattack
Matanikau River
Slopes of Mount Austen
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon
The Meat Grinder
Wake Island

I hope this helps and I look forward to greeting new Colonels in the future. Finally I just want to thank stevens and Iron Gut Heath who both provided me some crucial information towards the end of my promotion quest.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 01 May 2014 21:35
Thanks for the info, Pete. Look forward to making it to your attained rank someday...and I do salute when I say that, sir!
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 02 May 2014 11:38
Congrats Pedroas on making it to Col.

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 03 May 2014 01:12
Thanks tank commander
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 14 May 2014 06:13
Hmmm...I've received 8 victories as a Axis and 8 as Allies as well as won as Axis at Arnhem...since then I've won a match and I haven't received my "Captain" badge.

Am I doing something wrong???...I've already played 50+ games...I feel like I should have it by now.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 14 May 2014 07:22
questioneer wrote on Wed, 14 May 2014 06:13

Hmmm...I've received 8 victories as a Axis and 8 as Allies as well as won as Axis at Arnhem...since then I've won a match and I haven't received my "Captain" badge.

Am I doing something wrong???...I've already played 50+ games...I feel like I should have it by now.

Looking at your career I do not see the win at Arnhem.

Did you win against a live opponent? Wins against the bot do not count.

So I would suggest you win Arnhem as Axis or first landing (Omaha) as Allies to clinch your promotion.

Good luck!
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 14 May 2014 17:22
I got it...thanks, geez that was hard. Had to play a newbie to win at Arnhem...bridge of death...near impossible to win with experienced players, gotta have super cards and smart decisions.

20 wins seems easy for Major
80 wins in all the theaters doesn't seem bad either...just long.

Colonel and Brig Gen. are a whole different animal- those look tough.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 15 May 2014 07:23
Remember o get the 80 wins in the right scenarios. Cool

Again, good luck!
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 15 May 2014 17:03
questioneer wrote on Wed, 14 May 2014 09:22

I got it...thanks, geez that was hard. Had to play a newbie to win at Arnhem...bridge of death...near impossible to win with experienced players, gotta have super cards and smart decisions.

20 wins seems easy for Major
80 wins in all the theaters doesn't seem bad either...just long.

Colonel and Brig Gen. are a whole different animal- those look tough.



Q,

No worries, of all the BG's that made it to that rank, I probably had the least clue of all as to what was needed and still somehow managed to make it to that RANK!!

Don't think I much looked at the thread as to what was required until I was a FULL BIRD and even then, just played and eventually BG came my way....so it can be done either way, by reading the reqs or as in my case, just played and they took pity on my and gave my next rank of BG!! Laughing
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 July 2014 09:03
Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 22 July 2013 10:38


DOW on officer rank: Colonel

Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!

We take this to mean: You need to have won all scenarios from both sides and you need to have played 25 different cadets. All of this after your promotion to Lt Col.

Speculations:
You need to win a specified amount of battles 250 has been suggested but they probably also count expert/SFTF scenarios. Quit2 made it with 237 games since being promoted Lt. Col, but he had also played 13 SFTF scenarios.
This also only in the scenarios that are listed for LTC. (For discussion about this see second post.)
Maybe you need wins against all ranks available.
Some cadets need to promote against you (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)
You need a specific number of battles against cadets (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)



Ok, so by my recordkeeping, I've played 252 regular games since being promoted to Lt Col. (my game 220 through game 472); won all of the scenarios from both sides needed for the LTC promotion (37) + the 3 extra Meds (G&M, Toulon, Tunisia); played 32 different cadets in 50 games (39 wins, 11 loses), but only 1 was promoted against me; and played and won against all ranks (my least was against only 3 colonels).

But no promotion to colonel. I'm thinking it's because maybe another cadet(s!!) need to be promoted--what is the minimum number that others have required? And any other helpful advice as to what I might be missing would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I guess I'll be trolling for cadets..


EDIT: uh oh, I see from Pedro's post above that he thinks you need 10 Cadets to get promoted! I really hope this isn't true because I'd hate to just start losing against people. And, although it's not quite clear, all ranks in each front--I know my Colonel must be deficient since I've only play 3 of them (where are you coloneellls...)

EDIT 2: Ok, maybe it's 10 Cadets that eventually get promoted in the future. Hmm, is there an easy way to check out my 31 cadets...?

Edit 3: Slogging through my past games I see that at least 19 of the 32 cadets that I played eventually got promoted, so it doesn't seem that it's whether they eventually get promoted...
(and now it's +1 cadet to 33 different) sigh.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 July 2014 10:57]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 July 2014 12:05
Dave: try winning more scenarios from both sides.
The exact list of what counts and what doesn't has been debated much.
And trying to win ALL scenarios from both sides is actually a more fun objective than loosing against cadets.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 July 2014 12:31
Hi Dave,

I took the liberty of taking a look at your career.

And I would suggest winning the following maps from both sides:

Gold Beach
Knightsbridge
Utah Beach
Montélimar

These two only one win is needed:
Carentan Causeway Axis win needed
Operation Spring Allied win needed


I personally do not feel (But I could be wrong) the cadets you have played against have to promote, but almost automatically all playing cadets do. It is however important to play 25 different cadets. you cannot count one double.

But as Quit2 also suggested winning these scenarios from both sides will be more pleasurable than hunting for cadets. So try that first? Smile


Edit: and reading the second post of this thread again (i had forgotten my own stance on the matter Smile ) try to do Montélimar first!

[Updated on: Sun, 27 July 2014 12:33]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 July 2014 20:55
Thanks so much for the Montelimar advice---

MONTELIMAR IS A REQUIRED SCENARIO FOR THE COLONEL PROMOTION.


(more later, but I gotta run now)
Smile


EDIT: here's later.

So both myself, and then 5-hours-later newly minted Colonel John J Novak, had everything needed but wins at Montelimar, so I think it pretty definitive that Montelimar is a required win/win scenario for the colonel promotion as we both were promoted completing our 2nd win there.

So it's funny that my 252 & 253 games were actually Montelimar--but only because after my 'failed' promotion we just wanted to play another match and I chose this because it seemed like a very interesting scenario that I had just 'discovered', way down at the bottom of the Med scenarios that I had never played before (losing twice to the AI always gets my attention!). And thankfully I lost both and then posted here for suggestions so we now collectively know that Monte is a requirement (otherwise I probably would have just thought I miscounted or something). I likely would have played it some more anyways, but I hate to imagine how many poor cadets I would have had to play before getting promoted. Laughing

Finally, I just wanted to give some advice to those that follow trying to get a Colonel promotion: you need:
1) win all the 37 LtC scenarios, plus the 4 extra Med scenarios (G&M, Toulon, Tunisia, and Montelimar);
2) play 25 cadets--10 of which eventually get promoted--only 1 cadet got promoted playing me. (So play these sooner rather than later so they have time to get promoted (and I would combine this with all of the very hard, required scenarios))
3) play 250 games since LtC promotion;
4) and maybe play all ranks (this one's a bit fuzzy but it likely always works itself out if you just play people).


[Updated on: Mon, 28 July 2014 03:46]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 July 2014 22:23
dave65tdh wrote on Sun, 27 July 2014 14:55

Thanks so much for the Montelimar advice---

MONTELIMAR IS A REQUIRED SCENARIO FOR THE COLONEL PROMOTION.


(more later, but I gotta run now)
Smile


Indeed, Dave got the promotion against me in that scenario today after his win in Montelimar, so I can vouch for this! Also seems to eliminate any guessing about 'delays' in the promotion after meeting the requirements.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 26 August 2014 20:50
i'm a major, I won the 80 battles that I need, and I have more than 210 battles, total, not since major, and I'm still dont get the promotion, can you help ??? there is a lot info to get to colonel , but not so much for lt-colonel

thanks
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 26 August 2014 23:57
Philthethrill wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 14:50

i'm a major, I won the 80 battles that I need, and I have more than 210 battles, total, not since major, and I'm still dont get the promotion, can you help ??? there is a lot info to get to colonel , but not so much for lt-colonel

thanks



Of the 80 you need at least 10 per front per side AND at least 5 of the 10 wons must be from different scenarios.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 27 August 2014 17:22
Philthethrill wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 20:50

i'm a major, I won the 80 battles that I need, and I have more than 210 battles, total, not since major, and I'm still dont get the promotion, can you help ??? there is a lot info to get to colonel , but not so much for lt-colonel

thanks


Looking at your career I have to agree that you have won 10 games from each side in each theatre in the scenarios that count (This all after promotion to Major on the 23 july 2014):

Only counted are the scenarios that matter for the promotion.
western 38 played
Axis Victory 10 won
Allies Victory 16 won

eastern 33 played
Axis Victory 12 won
Allies Victory 10 won

mediterranean 36 played
Axis Victory 12 won
Allies Victory 10 won

pacific 36 played
Axis Victory 10 won
Allies Victory 10 won

So my advice would be to hunt down majors and defeat them. Let us know how it goes?
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 27 August 2014 18:34
Jeronimon wrote on Wed, 27 August 2014 11:22

Philthethrill wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 20:50

i'm a major, I won the 80 battles that I need, and I have more than 210 battles, total, not since major, and I'm still dont get the promotion, can you help ??? there is a lot info to get to colonel , but not so much for lt-colonel

thanks


Looking at your career I have to agree that you have won 10 games from each side in each theatre in the scenarios that count (This all after promotion to Major on the 23 july 2014):

Only counted are the scenarios that matter for the promotion.
western 38 played
Axis Victory 10 won
Allies Victory 16 won

eastern 33 played
Axis Victory 12 won
Allies Victory 10 won

mediterranean 36 played
Axis Victory 12 won
Allies Victory 10 won

pacific 36 played
Axis Victory 10 won
Allies Victory 10 won

So my advice would be to hunt down majors and defeat them. Let us know how it goes?


But are the wins of the proper makeup?

For example, in his 10 axis wins in the pacific, we're there at least 5 different scenarios involved?

This format must be followed for each set of 10 wins.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 28 August 2014 05:18
When I finally got promoted to LTC, I did not have wins from 5 different scenarios in each front so I don't think this is a strict requirement. In the East, I won only 3 at Lisyanka, 4 at Pnyri, and 3 at Suomusilmani as the Allies. As the Axis, add Klin to those 3 just mentioned. As the Axis in the Pacific, I had wins only Matankiau River, Meat Grinder, and Wake Island (although here I had wins in 3 other non-required scenarios).

I don't have any good advice if he has won 10 games from each side in each front--maybe it's something like you need 100 wins total (I had 90 'required' wins and 108 total wins) as he only has 90 total if the above info is accurate (although there may be more wins in non-required scenarios that aren't mentioned).

[Updated on: Thu, 28 August 2014 05:22]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 28 August 2014 08:56
tank commander wrote on Wed, 27 August 2014 18:34


But are the wins of the proper makeup?

For example, in his 10 axis wins in the pacific, we're there at least 5 different scenarios involved?

This format must be followed for each set of 10 wins.



Hello Tank Commander, that make-up has been disproved:

Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 22 July 2013 19:38


Disproved:
You do not need to have played all scenarios from both sides. (there are examples of LTC that have not played all the above.)
You do not need a spread over 5 scenarios or more in all theatres. (I myself only had a 4 spread from three of the 8 sides, and I know of someone who had only three different battles for the ten wins.)



Furthermore, even if it was true, (which it isn't Very Happy ) he did get a spread over more than 5 scenarios. Cool
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 03 December 2014 07:13
Hey, so in addition to the expert games which have been pretty well documented, it seems like you need around 450 regular games to get promoted to general. Does anyone know if these have to be spread out over all 4 fronts, or does that not matter?

Thanks!
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 03 December 2014 07:44
Well Dave, the requirements for Brigadier are still veiled in deep mist, so I feel no-one can answer your question. It seems that playing a lot of games helps as some of us Brigadiers just "stumbled" into the rank after playing lots.

Good luck hunting for the promotion and hoping you will find something out Smile
Keep reporting back, if you will.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 03 December 2014 20:32
Well, this would be pretty easy to check and might be the cause of some of the mystery. Has anyone got promoted to general with less than 450 regular games as colonel (so somewhere north of 900 total games)? And for someone who did get promoted, did you have, say, 100 games in each front when you got promoted, or did you mostly just play one front or even have very few games played in one front? All easily checkable once you know the start and stop dates as colonel and cobble together the spreadsheets. Eventually I'll look into this, and in the mean time probably play less games in the west.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 05 December 2014 01:59
I'm not following the discussion but I'll just answer your two questions: from Colonel to Brigadier General I played 436 regular games (no solo ones either): 90 Eastern, 76 Mediterranean, 69 Pacific and 201 Western Front.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 05 December 2014 02:36
clorofila wrote on Thu, 04 December 2014 16:59

I'm not following the discussion but I'll just answer your two questions: from Colonel to Brigadier General I played 436 regular games (no solo ones either): 90 Eastern, 76 Mediterranean, 69 Pacific and 201 Western Front.
Good luck!
Perfect. That's exactly the kind of data we need. Thanks so much.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 05 December 2014 03:04
In the period before and after I made Brigadier, I analyzed my on record and those of several others. Based on the variety of patterns I found, I'm convinced there's some variable that's easy for the computer to track, but not easy for us to see.

There's precedent for this, if you recall the requirement of playing against 25 Cadets in order to make Colonel.

Another possibility that was discussed was that perhaps the requirements are being masked by a delay -- which could be based on a specific number of games after qualifying, or any other recognizable condition (for example, rolling triple grenades in a subsequent game, or killing a unit with a flag). I don't know whether anybody has researched this possibility.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 31 December 2014 21:11
So no hard evidence, but from what I've gathered I'm currently thinking the requirements for general are somewhere along these lines:

400 regular games--needing say 200 wins, 10 wins each side per front, and maybe in at least 8 different scenarios on each front (and likely only major/ltc scenarios).

100 expert wins--50 each side, and maybe 5 scenarios each front. And games against the robot DO count.

and maybe some rank requirements, but I'm hoping that will just come out in the wash.


I am currently at 39/48 expert allied/expert wins against humans with some 150 'bot wins, so I will test this 'bot theory out myself by not playing very many more expert games.

I am also at about 220 regular games, so I will make sure that I comply with the 10 wins/side/front in 8 different scenarios to see if that works as well.

Seems like we should be able to nail this down better than it is.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 31 December 2014 23:34
dave65tdh wrote on Thu, 04 December 2014 20:36

clorofila wrote on Thu, 04 December 2014 16:59

I'm not following the discussion but I'll just answer your two questions: from Colonel to Brigadier General I played 436 regular games (no solo ones either): 90 Eastern, 76 Mediterranean, 69 Pacific and 201 Western Front.
Good luck!
Perfect. That's exactly the kind of data we need. Thanks so much.


From COLONEL to BRIG. GENERAL I played 710 total games winning 540.
I won every scenario on every front from both sides, including Arnhem and First Assault Wave. A few games after I accomplished this victory on every scenario on every front from both sides, I was promoted. I have no idea if I played folks from every rank, but it is possible. Also, I don't know if the 500+ victories is significant or not.
I also had played and won over 50 expert games.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 24 January 2015 15:58
clorofila wrote on Thu, 04 December 2014 19:59

I'm not following the discussion but I'll just answer your two questions: from Colonel to Brigadier General I played 436 regular games (no solo ones either): 90 Eastern, 76 Mediterranean, 69 Pacific and 201 Western Front.
Good luck!


I just made the General rank and when I have time will post my games played record.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 24 January 2015 17:34
tank commander wrote on Sat, 24 January 2015 07:58

clorofila wrote on Thu, 04 December 2014 19:59

I'm not following the discussion but I'll just answer your two questions: from Colonel to Brigadier General I played 436 regular games (no solo ones either): 90 Eastern, 76 Mediterranean, 69 Pacific and 201 Western Front.
Good luck!


I just made the General rank and when I have time will post my games played record.




Congrats TC! Welcome to the club!! I, for one, never knew what it took, played, got promoted after certain events and made it to BG somehow!!

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 27 January 2015 00:58
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 05 February 2015 00:50
UPDATED POST Feb 6th '15

Here are my stats that I played as a Col vs live opponents. SFtF solo games against the bot are listed below.



Regular scenarios played (and won):


as Allies

West 50 (37) / 24 different w at least 1 win in 19 different
East 49 (28) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 7 different
Med 45 (28) / 11 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
Pac 51 (38) / 9 different w/ at least 1 win in 9 different

as Axis

West 50 (31) / 27 different w at least 1 win in 17 different
East 44 (34) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
Med 36 (24) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
Pac 43 (26) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 7 different

TOTAL

West 100 (68)
East 93 (62)
Med 81 (52)
Pac 94 (64)

REG SC GRAND TOTAL 368 (246)


SFtF scenarios played (and won):

as Allies


West 30 (19) / 13 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
East 26 (23)/ 11 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
Med 23 (15) / 6 different w at least 1 win in 6 different
Pac 25 (17) / 13 different w at least 1 win in 11 different

as Axis

West 32 (15) / 12 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
East 26 (21) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
Med 25 (15) / 6 different w at least 1 win in 5 different
Pac 27 (18) / 11 different w at least 1 win in 8 different

SFtF TOTAL (not including Solo games)


West 58 (34)
East 52 (44)
Med 48 (30)
Pac 52 (35)

SFtF SC TOTAL 214 (143)



TOTAL REGULAR & SFtF:

582 (389)

Record against ranks:

Regular scenarios

Gen 17-14 (031)
Col 14-12 (026)
LCo 51-27 (078)
Maj 52-24 (076)
Cap 13-06 (019)
1LT 60-24 (084)
2LT 27-12 (039)
CAD 15-03 (018)

SFtF

Gen 25-18 (043)
Col 15-11 (026)
LCo 38-20 (058)
Maj 43-12 (055)
Cap 04-02 (006)
1LT 15-03 (018)
2LT 00-00 (000)
CAD 02-01 (003)

TOTAL

Gen 42-32 (074)
Col 29-23 (052)
LCo 89-47 (136)
Maj 95-36 (131)
Cap 17-08 (025)
1LT 75-27 (102)
2LT 27-12 (039)
CAD 17-04 (021)


Just in case this may matter my SFtF games vs the Bot

SFtF scenarios played (and won) vs the Bot:

as Allies


West 10 (10)
East 7 (7)
Med 8 (8 )
Pac 4 (4)

as Axis


West 11 (10)
East 6 (6)
Med 10 (9)
Pac 4 (4)

[Updated on: Fri, 06 February 2015 23:26]

      
dave65tdh
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 05 April 2015 08:01
With regards to General promotion, Vidocq 62 just got promoted and he only played 2 or 4 expert games against humans. Thus expert games against the 'bot do count, although you need to play at least a couple against another person. I think this is about as good of a test as you can get for this issue.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 05 April 2015 15:08
sam1812 wrote on Sun, 28 July 2013 22:10

I seem to recall one of the relatively early Brigadiers having a ton of Expert games against the bot, and relatively few against humans.


Yes, so this seems to back up Sam's post of nearly 2 years ago which is above.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 05 April 2015 20:08
tank commander wrote on Sun, 05 April 2015 06:08

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 28 July 2013 22:10

I seem to recall one of the relatively early Brigadiers having a ton of Expert games against the bot, and relatively few against humans.


Yes, so this seems to back up Sam's post of nearly 2 years ago which is above.

Right, but there still seemed to be some doubt on this point (for example, 'in case it matters') so I thought it was worthwhile to put this to rest with this very good example.

Only 1 win is required against a human on expert.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 08 April 2015 21:51
Just curious, how many lifers (long timers)play this game for Rank? What do you have fun with, rank or playing the game?


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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 09 April 2015 07:55
waltero wrote on Wed, 08 April 2015 21:51

Just curious, how many lifers (long timers)play this game for Rank? What do you have fun with, rank or playing the game?


Firstly I enjoy playing the game
Secondly I enjoy playing the game
Thirdly I enjoy etc

But puzzling out the promotion and working towards that was fun too. I got to play scenarios I otherwise would have discovered much later while going for LTC and Colonel. Don't forget hunting for the achievements as a fun factor. Smile The Desert Rat ribbon was a lot of fun too to get.

Because I had to win some scenarios from the "weak" side I needed to learn new tactics and adapt more to circumstances. I got to try out wild and crazy stuff to win this or that scenario. Sometimes my opponents must have thought me crazy (I prefer brilliant by the way. Wink ). And that was fun too.

But since some of us got to the highest rank, there is nothing to hunt for there. Waiting on the next level. Smile And in the mean time focussing on other goals and having fun in general. Joined a lot of tournaments, on and of-line.

And that brings me to one of the other reasons I play Memoir: the community. On and offline I meet really nice people who are helpful and fun to hang and with.

Can't wait till my next "playdate" Cool
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 16 April 2015 05:04
tank commander wrote on Wed, 04 February 2015 15:50


REG SC GRAND TOTAL 368 (246)


Uh oh, I was hoping this might be the magic number, but I just finished my (well after checking with the official spreadsheet) 383 regular games (269 wins), and, well, nothing. Nada. No fireworks. No whizz poppers. Just silence.

EDIT: I will soon be deleting this post with a cleaned up version to follow. And I don't believe TC's numbers are correct as I find 262 wins in 396 games that he played as Colonel.


Must do better analysis...


So, because I didn't get promoted, I think comparing my numbers to TCs might be constructive:

as Allies:
West 50 (37) / 24 different w at least 1 win in 19 different
W 64 (47) / 14 different w at least 1 win in 13 different
East 49 (28) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 7 different
E 33 (21) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
Med 45 (28) / 11 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
M 47 (34) / 9 different with at least 1 win in 9 different
Pac 51 (38) / 9 different w/ at least 1 win in 9 different
P 44 (36) / 9 different w/ at least 1 win in 9 different

as Axis:

West 50 (31) / 27 different w at least 1 win in 17 different
W 68 (44) / 16 different w at least 1 win in 13 different
East 44 (34) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
E 35 (27) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
Med 36 (24) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
M 47 (34) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 10 different
Pac 43 (26) / 10 different w at least 1 win in 7 different
P 45 (26) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 8 different

TOTAL

West 100 (68)
W 132 (91)
East 93 (62)
E 68 (48)
Med 81 (52)
M 94 (68)
Pac 94 (64)
P 89 (62)

REG SC GRAND TOTAL 368 (246)
383 (269)

These numbers look pretty comparable. Obviously my east games are down, and it's not quite clear if only certain scenarios count like the dumb ltc and col restrictions, but it seems pretty comparable.


more to follow...

I don't think there should be any kind of problem with expert games as I played a ton of them against the computer and as we saw from the previous promotion, only 1 win is needed against a human and I had a bunch of those too (but not 50/side against humans).

My next game will be Red Barricades as German as I didn't play that (and actually it will be my second next game as I was 8-5 at RB with only 1 guy dead and the bippin' program crashed and this almost perfect game didn't bippin' count).

EDIT: Red Barricades as Germans is done--so one glaring hole filled in. Looks like I will try to get one more expert human win, then go back to just playing some regular east games... Maybe you need 50 wins in each front...

and do some expert/rank analysis...

Here's the expert analysis:
SFtF scenarios played (and won):
as Allies

West 30 (19) / 13 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
W 23 (12) / 7 different w at least 1 win in 5 different
East 26 (23)/ 11 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
E 14 ( 8) / 6 different w at least 1 win in 6 different
Med 23 (15) / 6 different w at least 1 win in 6 different
M 17 (9) / 4 different w at least 1 win in 2 different
Pac 25 (17) / 13 different w at least 1 win in 11 different
P 20 (11) / 5 different w at least 1 win in 5 different

as Axis

West 32 (15) / 12 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
W 21 (16) / 7 different w at least 1 win in 6 different
East 26 (21) / 9 different w at least 1 win in 9 different
E 12 ( 8) / 5 different w at least 1 win in 4 different
Med 25 (15) / 6 different w at least 1 win in 5 different
M 22 (13) / 4 different w at least 1 win in 4 different
Pac 27 (18) / 11 different w at least 1 win in 8 different
P 21 (13) / 5 different w at least 1 win in 5 different

SFtF TOTAL (not including Solo games)
West 58 (34)
W 44 (28)
East 52 (44)
E 26 (16)
Med 48 (30)
M 39 (22)
Pac 52 (35)
P 41 (24)

SFtF SC TOTAL 214 (143)
150 (90)

TOTAL REGULAR & SFtF:

582 (389)
523 (351)

Ok, so my human games are not 50 wins per side, but I have a ton of 'bot games with more that 50 wins per front, and wins in at least 9 different scenarios, so this shouldn't be a problem.

Just in case this may matter my SFtF games vs the Bot

SFtF scenarios played (and won) vs the Bot:

as Allies

West 10 (10)
East 7 (7)
Med 8 (8 )
Pac 4 (4)

as Axis

West 11 (10)
East 6 (6)
Med 10 (9)
Pac 4 (4)

west allies 36-17 11 scen/win
west axis 38-15 11 scen/win
W 74-32
W 106 (74)

east allies 35-11 10 scen/win
east axis 35-11 10 scen/win
70-22
92 (70)


med allies 28-9 9 scen/win
med axis 29-7 9 scen/win
57-16
76 (57)

pac allies 37-12 11 scen/win
pac axis 40-9 11 scen/win
77-21
98 (77)


Thus I'm pursuing the 50 wins per front theory--which means I need 6 more wins in the east (I've played some since above stats) so we'll see if that pans out.

EDIT--48 east wins and still no promotion! Hopefully 50 might be the key...





[Updated on: Tue, 21 April 2015 20:49]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 21 April 2015 08:22
Hmm, so the general puzzle continues. I just did some quick analysis on Margaery Tyrell's numbers (promoted yesterday) since his/her colonel promotion was easily found on page 1 of the 2014 stats, and an impressive 880 regular games indicates some promising data. So there is no strict requirement to win 50 games in each front since he only won 30 in the east:

Front Side Wins-Loses
eastern Allies 12-13
eastern Axis 18-8; or 30 wins in the east;
med Allies 37-45
med Axis 88-19 or 125 (!) wins in the med;
pacific Allies 22-14
pacific Axis 14-17 or 36 wins in the pac;
western Allies 28-16
western Axis 24-23 or 52 wins in the west;
totals: 243-155 so 398 regular games played

And it looks like he only played some 160 expert games--many against Johnny, so that's consistent with games against the computer counting.

Thus I am not hopeful that my upcoming 50 wins in the east will be the key since that is not a requirement. I guess I will have to delve into some ranking issues as I did keep track of the ranks of people that I played. In addition maybe checking the total number of different scenarios played. I still don't think it's an expert issue with me as I've played a ton of those.

Seems like we are close to figuring something out though...

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