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MaximouR - Ginglet
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Sat, 26 April 2014 08:19

Info Division D2 :

One month before the end and 56 matches to do.

      
Ramses64
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 29 April 2014 18:41
Ramses64 vs häxxli

5:1

130:118
98:91
125:121
99:125
126:104
121:90

Nice match,nice athmosphere.

Not much to say...Luck was on my side.
It was not necessary to get longest in 4 games because of much better tickets and colours for me.....
Wish you more luck in your next 2 games, Heidi.

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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 30 April 2014 06:51
häxxli vs AAA_Steve
2:4

120 - 84
117 - 120
102 - 104
120 - 104
116 - 122
113 - 115

Games of "bad tix" Confused
But in spite of bad tix it was a very thrilling game!

Thx Heidi and more luck for your last game!!
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 01 May 2014 12:12
Ramses64 - ZiL
2 - 4

119-132
117-126
88-114
106-119
112-110
137-125

3 tix in 3 first games and lot of locos made the difference (10 in games 3!!!)
Thanks for the match Steve, more luck for the upcoming games
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Mon, 05 May 2014 23:40
AAA_steve - 2Cutter 0:6

Steve had all the games bad luck with his tickets, so i had my chance.

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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 07 May 2014 23:01
AGT-Technikerin - 2Cutter 0.5 - 5.5

Thx for the games Beate, more luck in your next games.

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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 08 May 2014 19:14
No news from Fedyna or Shamogi... Is this group still alive????
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 08 May 2014 20:41
Group is still alive. Consider games due for second deadline and not played as ruled. I had zero time to post the rulings in last weeks. Will do it in next couple of days.

You have two weeks to complete yhe games due to last deadline. Moreover,
consider luckipad, Shafiq and Aurora as retired and you don't need to play your games with them.

Ruling posted soon.
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 18:40
RULING

*Shafiq is excluded by the D2 division and his games will not count for final ranking

*Aurora is excluded by the D2 division and his games will not count for final ranking

*Luckipad is excluded by the D2 division and his games will not count for final ranking


Round 5 (to be played before second deadline, 14th April, 14.00 CET)

steve - Ditka'sSweaterVest 4 - 0
Alautre - HFL Fedyna 0 - 0


Round 6 (to be played before second deadline, 14th April, 14.00 CET)

Ditka'sSweaterVest - Zil 0 - 4
shamogi - Ironhorse 0 - 4

Round 7 (to be played before second deadline, 14th April, 14.00 CET)

HFL Fedyna - Ramses64 0 - 4
Ditka'sSweaterVest - Technikerin 0 - 4
shamogi - häxxli 0 - 4




Round 9 (to be played before second deadline, 14th April, 14.00 CET)

HFL Fedyna - Ironhorse 0 - 4
Ditka'sSweaterVest - 2Cutter 0 - 4


I will not comment on the single rulings Sad


Alautre 4 rulings
Ditka 4 rulings
Fedyna 3 rulings
Shamogi 2 rulings



Aurora, Luckipad and Shafiq excluded

With 6 rulings players are excluded and games don't count
With 2 rulings or more players are out of the ranking but games count

[Updated on: Tue, 13 May 2014 21:55]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 19:23

Updating Ticki...

Work in progress, please be patient
      
MaximouR - Ginglet
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 20:00


Quote:

Steve Vs HFL fedyna
5:1
Monday, 20.01., 19.00 CEST

Steve vs HFL fedyna
1) 129 - 132
2) 136 - 117
3) 108 - 107
4) 120 - 105
5) 122 - 97
6) 124 - 113

[Updated on: Tue, 13 May 2014 20:00]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 20:21
Thanks Maximou, I missed that one (and I searched in the histories too, but mistakes happen Wink )
      
Ramses64
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 20:35
AAA_steve vs. Ramses64
Wednesday, 26.03.2014, 19.15 CEST

4:2

110 - 105
102 - 126
106 - 119
112 - 107
114 - 106
120 - 119
      
Ditka'sSweaterVest
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 20:41
D2 Friends and Quorlas:

Family concerns kept me away much of March and into April. Realizing that I had four matches to play by 14 April I belatedly attempted to get them all played on that day. All four players were available to play but I missed the fact that the 14th actually meant by the morning of the 14th central USA time and these matches were not allowed. Thus, those four players were awarded shutout wins. As such, I do not see how it would be fair to my remaining opponents vis-a-vis those awarded wins against me to have to play me. Nor is it fair to those I played prior. With three other league participants excluded I do not see how it is possible to be fair to the remaining players other than to exclude all matches played for myself and the other three. While I understand the concept; the spirit somewhat eludes me. Consider myself resigned from this group, with my apologies. I will look forward to NC where the scheduling and spirit seems to be somewhat more flexible. Best of luck to those remaining.

Kind Regards,

Charles.
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 20:42
played on 29.03.2014
Ramses64-Alautre
3:3
122-112
110-112
118-87
94-125
121-128
123-109
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 21:32

Sorry, not seen this results.
Verified.

updated... If Qorlas is OK

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 21:53
For sure, that for me is ok.

Sorry for the mistakes, there were really too many matches to check Wink


      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 22:08
Dear Charles,

I wish to thank you for your post and I think that I owe you a short explanation of why the spirit of the rules in the League is the one you are seeing.

To have strict deadlines and strict rulings is really a request we had from the other players. In the "old" League I was more flexible with deadlines and people started scheduling the games without hurry because "in any case Qorlas will give us more days". This led to a lot o fmisunderstandings and difficulties in the last seasons of "old League" that led to quarreling and complains.

When we decided to renew the League concept, one of the thing that the players definitely asked me were to strictly respect the deadlines and to come out with the multiple deadlines thing. I don't like it, my spirit is to play the games, but this was asked from me and I do that.
Probably this is the result of players playing too much with scheduling in the last seasons.

League is a long tournament and scheduling is a greater responsibility here than in NC.


*Explanation about the mid-day deadline in Monday. I used a midday European time deadline to avoid penalizations of USA based players that have still available their Sunday evening/night to play last games.
The deadline should really be read as (more or less) Midnight of Sunday USA west coast.

Regarding the attmepts in the last days: I used to help them too. but after clear requests by players I added the rule that you schedule games in the last 3/4 days before the deadline at your own risk. Again this happened because of players playing too much the system in the past.


I invite you to play your remaining matches. Your division already lost 3 players and every match played contribute to the TELO rankings that will be used for next tournaments.

Division D2 suffered the most from trouble this time. My aim will be to divide in a larger number of divsions the new players next time (and for the people reading it: we can do it only in one way.......)

(POSTING IT also in the forum).

I apologize again for the troubles and I hope that you will finish the reamining games Smile
I am just an executor and troubles in real ife happens Smile


See you in next tournaments!

Qorlas
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 22:10
My apologize to Ramses and al the other players in the 3 games I missed from forum posts. I checked only tickipedia and histories but I missed them Sad

My mistake, please let us know if I missed other series.

Qorlas
      
Ditka'sSweaterVest
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 23:05
Thank You Qorlas,

In reviewing the current standings, my games (played, forfeited, and remaining) have a significant effect on who may ultimately advance from this division; specifically with respect to Mask, LG, 2 Cutter, and Zil. Granting some a 0-4 win while counting others that have to play me as a negative will unfairly impact the final standings and there is no way around that if I play my final matches. The only fair thing to do for ALL players in contention in this group is to have all of my games forfeited. If anyone outside of contention (Alau sent me a message for instance) would like to play a set for fun, I would be happy to, but these games should not be allowed to sway the final standings of this group. If you review the potential impact of me playing the remainder of my matches I am sure you will agree.

All the Best,

Charles.
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 23:21
I checked the ranking now and your games will not affect in a decisive way the run for the top 2 places that will grant the C division.

LG, 2Cutter and Zil all got 6 points from you. Maskaride cannot reach anymore the top 2 places with the current ranking.

If you complete the season or you retire will change nothing in the relative points of 2Cutter, Zil and LG.

Even if you retire Maskaride will have practically no chance to reach the top 2 places.
Top 2 places would be at 58.5 points and Maskaride would be at 46.
Mask would have still a chance cut he should win all of his games practcally and hope for ZIL and 2Cutter to lose theirs. Maskaride at best can reach 62 making to 6-0 against Shamogi and 2 Cutter

In any case this is your choice Smile
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 23:22
2 Cutter vs Mask

Monday 19 at 21.30 CEST
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 23:30
Shamogi didnt answer to my pm's.. Crying or Very Sad

Please stay Ditka's , for your TELO , for your great spirit !!
Smile
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 13 May 2014 23:31
Shamogi disappeared in the last period, so had to rule against him the missing matches in second deadline. I will have to do the same in final deadline if nothing changes.
      
MaximouR - Ginglet
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 19:05
D2 players,

Many errors during last day on ticki table.
Now, updates are OK (I hope) and verified. Rolling Eyes

HF & GL
      
= ZiL =
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 20:35
Thanks for your job guys, you rule Smile
      
Taka Goupil Hermitage
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 22:24
Just this post to mention I am a bit upset that a few months after I completed my 15 games, my score keeps going down...
A 12-3 clean record when all players were motivated to play their games is likely to become a 6-3...

The ruling system shows its limits I'd say.
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 22:44
LG: you didn't win with Shamogi Wink

and the alternative would be to give full points (7/8 not 6) to the players unable to play with disappearing players only because they were scheduled with them in the last rounds.

Nullify the results of disappeared players is more a protection for who already played them than an advantage for the others. At least usually it works in this way.

In this division we had a lot of players disappearing and the problem magnified.

In any case the results remain for your TELO improving.
      
Taka Goupil Hermitage
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 22:52
Sure Qorlas,

thanks for feedback.
We have to think of a way (probably smaller groups) to get the games played faster so that we are sure they are actually played.

[Updated on: Wed, 14 May 2014 22:53]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 22:58
It is exactly the format from where we arrive ("old League" 8 players per group)

I was asked to go for larger groups by the players themselves.
It has to be said that only D2 had trouble while the twin group D1 went smooth.

We are going to block the signings to league for untested players in next season (and in Euroleague) and moreover we should need to scatter in more groups the new players.

We were unlucky! All the new players in D1 went fine while in D2 we had this disaster.
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 23:05
Yep, I agree,

looking forward to a luckier season next year
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 23:09
Hi, i am a bit new on this kind of competition and rules, so, after a while I understood that i had to produce my own schindler list and whine to get some points when match was ruled, right ?
thx in advance for explanation Q
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Wed, 14 May 2014 23:14
Hi Alautre,

you need to send me your info about your attempts to schedule the missing matches and you need to send it before Thursday before the deadline.

I will rule according to what I have available and what I see in the forum. In case of no info then it will be a 0-0.

So if you had trouble in scheduling you need to make me aware of these problems a week before the deadline top have a chance for a ruled win in that match.

(Contact me by PM usually)
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 15 May 2014 01:12
LeGoupil wrote on Wed, 14 May 2014 22:24

Just this post to mention I am a bit upset that a few months after I completed my 15 games, my score keeps going down...
A 12-3 clean record when all players were motivated to play their games is likely to become a 6-3...

The ruling system shows its limits I'd say.


As soon as one player drops of the competition, standings are flawed.
It is kind of compensated with TELO. All your wins will be recorded, so you do not "lose" everything.
Ruling system has its limits, but the issue is not the rulings/the rules/the TD here. The issue = the players concerned.

That said, it takes one second to inform everybody that you are busy. Ditka played some games on April 4th, (apparently) he did not seem very concerned by League at that time.
I wish kostas would have said anything (a pm to Div A to apologize/with an explanation would have been appreciated). Instead we had to chase his brother-in-law in the lobby, and he decided to dump us like crap. Nice way to deal with players you've been playing for more than 5 years.

As nice as Ditka is, complaining about spirit, flexibility and giving lessons about fairness is fairly ridiculous.
What is fair = stand by your commitment and respect your opponents by playing all your matches.

What sucks in this group is that fedyna, Alautre, Aurora played NC and were considered as reliable players. Same with shamogi.

Quote:


Hi, i am a bit new on this kind of competition and rules, so, after a while I understood that i had to produce my own schindler list and whine to get some points when match was ruled, right ?


Alain, your English is very good. A peak at the rules before signing up = you know what you have to do.
FAQ if you had question was open, hundreds of posts were written to explain everything, a pm to me/Knockando takes one second.
It has nothing to do with whining, but with being responsible. Anybody who cares about the competition takes 2 minutes to communicate with the TD.
And Schindler's list ? Wtf ?

[Updated on: Thu, 15 May 2014 01:14]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 15 May 2014 07:56
Thanks a lot Orga guys : Maximour , Qorlas , Sysy Wink
Its always thé same thing in bottom division ..some players signed but dont realized How is pretty hard to play all matchs . Some players arent good communicators , some are busy... Thats Life Wink
Ditka is à Nice player to play With , this why i m talking about saying good Spirit .bbut guys , please send a little pm if you cant find Time to play.
Alain, no need to whin or schindler whatever : rules are thé same for all.
Legoupil, you Will not hâve this kind of problèmes in upper division.


Me, personnally , I réally appréciate this New léague Smile
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 15 May 2014 13:45
I want to join Max and say thanks as well.
I appreciate the dedication and usually the sense of compromise the TD display.

Regards

Goupil

[Updated on: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:46]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Thu, 15 May 2014 19:35
Sorry Mask,

No organizing on my side.
No ruling or decisions.
I can't organize, with my minimal english.

So I only follow ticki's tables to help groups and community.
I think, League is a good format with its long time during and I want only helping for a nice and fairly tournament.

Thanks have to go at others guys Quorlas and Sysy (aka JudgeDad, aka the TTRpedia, aka DarkPater, aka...) Razz

      
Taka Lautre La-Tâche
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Sat, 17 May 2014 14:56
Hi,

Have to thank you all for the organisation.
As you noticed, I didn't actually read the rules before joining. Will do it next time.

Just forget about my last message. I will send an e-mail to the pm to get a result coherent with my in-time actions.

Thx again,
Alain
      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Tue, 20 May 2014 20:13
Re-scheduled

2cutter vs Mask

Sunday 18.00 CEST.

[Updated on: Fri, 23 May 2014 06:57]

      
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Re:NEW League Season 1 Division D2 Sun, 25 May 2014 20:41
Maskaride - 2Cutter : 2:4

Well, my last game in this group. Special thanks goes to Qorlas and Maximour, who had a lot of work i think.

Greetings
2C
      
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