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Turboheizer
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Differences between Core Games? Tue, 15 April 2014 23:28
I'm just in the process of preparing my first Overlord game (for a lack of players, I will have to play it 1-1), and I set up both of my core games together for the first time. Doing this, I noticed some interesting differences.

1.) The board and terrain tiles of the second core game (bought in 2010), although unused until now, look very bleached out or faded in comparison to my first game (bought in 2006, it still has very strong and clear colors).

2.) In the second game, there were 43 instead of 42 US infantrymen.

3.) Counting the bonus figure in, there were at least seven US figures in the second game which were considerably bent and disfigured, remembering some of the Equipment Pack figures.

All in all, it seems that the 2006 game was a better deal than the 2010 game. Has there really been a detoriation of quality, or is this pure coincidence? Did you ever witness differences between your games, or were they identical?
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 03:22
I had the same experience with my second base game. The bleached tiles bug me when playing overlord with my nice first base game. The US infantry figures were slightly dis colored and clearly the plastic did not set properly in some. I suspect it was not an isolated problem because DOW support basically refused to help. I mean I always assumed the problem was too big to rectify.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 03:52
The first copies were made in Germany. With rising costs, some later copies were made in China. The difference was clear, though I think lately they've been better.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 10:09
I started with the Made in China version and was quite happy until I got my second base game which was the Made in Germany version. The differences in quality are marked, especially the dice which have long since worn out from the Chinese version.

With Operation Neptune round the corner I'm tempted to get a 3rd base game (second hand?) on UK e-bay but will only look for the German version - if they are still to be had.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 14:12
Is there a easy way to see which edition is for sale?
I notice the box to be more soft colored (or not?)
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 15:08
Antoi wrote on Wed, 16 April 2014 13:12

Is there a easy way to see which edition is for sale?
I notice the box to be more soft colored (or not?)


The German version does not carry the 3 Award logos on the cover, only the DOW logo in the centre. I think also the box has a matt finish, not glossy.

[Updated on: Wed, 16 April 2014 17:32]

      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 16:26
You can actually feel a difference when touching the box, the older one has a slighty rough surface (like a carton) while the newer one feels smooth.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 16:54
Turboheizer wrote on Wed, 16 April 2014 07:26

You can actually feel a difference when touching the box, the older one has a slighty rough surface (like a carton) while the newer one feels smooth.


Sadly this won't help people if they are buying the game online. Very Happy
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 16 April 2014 20:48
If the box has no award logos on it, it is made in Germany. If it is an awards style box, the backside of all the boxes will say "Made in China" or "Made in Germany". So if the seller has an actual photo of the unit they are selling you can see it.
If there are no photos or a stock photo is being used and you aren't sure, you can always just post a message to the seller.
Every Memoir '44 base game I own, I bought used on EBAY. I have been satisfied with all my purchases and have never paid full price.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Thu, 17 April 2014 17:47
In actual fact, I accidentally picked up a copy of the German version the other day and I can confirm that it DOES in fact have the awards logos on it as well as the DoW logo. It does also have the rougher texture to the box and it explicitly states on the back that it is made in Germany. I'd say measuring it against my other copy that it is a fractionally bigger box too, but I really mean fractionally.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Thu, 17 April 2014 18:41
Yes, my german box has also the award logos. When buying online, you would need a picture of the back of the box, large enough to tell the differences.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Thu, 17 April 2014 18:49
blagmasterg wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 11:47

In actual fact, I accidentally picked up a copy of the German version the other day and I can confirm that it DOES in fact have the awards logos on it as well as the DoW logo. It does also have the rougher texture to the box and it explicitly states on the back that it is made in Germany. I'd say measuring it against my other copy that it is a fractionally bigger box too, but I really mean fractionally.


As a point of clarification; I did not say that the award logos version was not made in Germany. I stated that the logos version were made in both Germany and China and so you would have to see the manufacture notice on the back to be certain. However, ALL original versions without award logos were made in Germany. These are all good quality printings in color and even in box construction. The original artillery figures, however, do seem a bit more flimsy.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 April 2014 03:37]

      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Thu, 17 April 2014 21:04
I just opened and played with my second copy. My original is now with my brother pending our summer gaming at his place. It all seems fairly similar although I do agree that some of the infantry units are a little bent unlike in the original. However, I found the artillery gun barrells to be much straighter.

As an aside, I played the Counter-attack at Arras scenario. It looked very attractive with my Matilda I and II, Somua 35, Pz38t and Pz mks I, II and IV. Also used airfix WWII British infantry which have reasonably wide bases. Germans won all four 6-0, 6-5, 6-4 and 6-2.

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Re:Differences between Core Games? Thu, 17 April 2014 22:59
My Winter / Desert Board Map (bought in January 2007) is of the same quality as the German core game version. Has there been a quality reduction for that board as well? And what about the Breakthrough board (which I don't own so far), is it okay?
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Fri, 18 April 2014 10:34
Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 22:59

My Winter / Desert Board Map (bought in January 2007) is of the same quality as the German core game version. Has there been a quality reduction for that board as well? And what about the Breakthrough board (which I don't own so far), is it okay?


Hello,

I joined the game late (2011) and the breakthrough boards are high quality, imo.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Fri, 18 April 2014 17:13
Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 16:59

My Winter / Desert Board Map (bought in January 2007) is of the same quality as the German core game version. Has there been a quality reduction for that board as well? And what about the Breakthrough board (which I don't own so far), is it okay?


Oddly enough, both base boards I have from the two different manufacturers/versions look almost identical, so I don't think there was a quality problem with boards. The main objection I have is in the newer set the hex tiles and terrain obstructions (bunkers, bridges, etc.) are all pale and washed out in color and don't match the base set. I was never too concerned about the plastic figures as their condition is close to acceptable. The mismatch in color of the tiles with respect to the board and the base set tiles makes overlord a little disappointing from an aesthetics perspective.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 23 April 2014 00:22
Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 14:59

My Winter / Desert Board Map (bought in January 2007) is of the same quality as the German core game version. Has there been a quality reduction for that board as well? And what about the Breakthrough board (which I don't own so far), is it okay?


My first W/D board was purchased second hand on eBay - it does seem to have a different texture/color than my the W/D board I purchased new more recently. I haven't seen the difference in base games first hand, so I can't say conclusively. I suspect that maybe my first board is of the German variety and my second one is of the Chinese variety. I don't know for sure though.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Wed, 23 April 2014 09:01
blagmasterg wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 16:47

In actual fact, I accidentally picked up a copy of the German version the other day and I can confirm that it DOES in fact have the awards logos on it as well as the DoW logo. It does also have the rougher texture to the box and it explicitly states on the back that it is made in Germany. I'd say measuring it against my other copy that it is a fractionally bigger box too, but I really mean fractionally.


There may be several versions of the original German pressing as mine has ONLY the DoW logo centre bottom on the lid. No other logos at all but is clearly marked "Made in Germnany" on the reverse.
      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Fri, 23 May 2014 17:46
All this talk of differences got me curious. Have only played mine a handful of times, if that. Had it in storage, now out, Made in Germany it appears.

Of course, being that I first bought it when it came out, 2004, that pretty much sealed the deal!!! Was rather sure of that fact, just needed to confirm and still seems like new!!



      
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Re:Differences between Core Games? Fri, 23 May 2014 18:30
gonzalan wrote on Fri, 23 May 2014 11:46

All this talk of differences got me curious. Have only played mine a handful of times, if that. Had it in storage, now out, Made in Germany it appears.

Of course, being that I first bought it when it came out, 2004, that pretty much sealed the deal!!! Was rather sure of that fact, just needed to confirm and still seems like new!!





Yes, it seems a bit ironic that the better quality Memoir '44 games were manufactured in Germany.
      
    
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