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Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sat, 19 July 2014 07:22
Just thought I would try and get a opinion from people who have played some scenarios of D day landings or the play testers.

Im meeting up with a friend tomorrow to have a 2 player game of memoir, I am pretty experienced with the system, he is not (has played a couple overlord games with the gaming group and has picked up the rules very quickly).

The group plans of playing a 2 or 3 map scenario in the next few weeks, but before that I would like to give one of the maps a test run with the new additions and allow my friend a chance at picking up more of the system before doing the group game.

So what I would like to know which map in your opinion would be best for an experienced player to play a fairly new to the game player (and which sides)
As there are not any recorded plays just yet (though I have seen they have been added for ARR to be entered) would like to know a map that will cater to the skill difference.

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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sat, 19 July 2014 11:44
The British maps are more for experienced players I think because of the extra rules (stiffer up lip, Funnies) The american do not have those rules.

The less experienced player should play the Germans (although I heard the germans have a hard time winning) because they don't have many rules to consider.

The airborne landings have rules who are different from the normal rules......


So I think Omaha or Utah is the best option......... But that's just my opinion and haven't played all of the maps yet.
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sat, 19 July 2014 13:29
Antoi wrote on Sat, 19 July 2014 19:14

The British maps are more for experienced players I think because of the extra rules (stiffer up lip, Funnies) The american do not have those rules.

The less experienced player should play the Germans (although I heard the germans have a hard time winning) because they don't have many rules to consider.

The airborne landings have rules who are different from the normal rules......


So I think Omaha or Utah is the best option......... But that's just my opinion and haven't played all of the maps yet.


I guess its not too much about the extra special units and rules (as he picks them up quickly) but looking for a good map where one side is more favored than the other so that my experience and his inexperience is brought more to a balance.
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sat, 19 July 2014 18:02
If you pay one of the American beaches, you don't have to deal with BCF rules and Hobarts.
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sat, 19 July 2014 18:50
Aussie_Digger wrote on Sat, 19 July 2014 04:29

Antoi wrote on Sat, 19 July 2014 19:14

The British maps are more for experienced players I think because of the extra rules (stiffer up lip, Funnies) The american do not have those rules.

The less experienced player should play the Germans (although I heard the germans have a hard time winning) because they don't have many rules to consider.

The airborne landings have rules who are different from the normal rules......


So I think Omaha or Utah is the best option......... But that's just my opinion and haven't played all of the maps yet.


I guess its not too much about the extra special units and rules (as he picks them up quickly) but looking for a good map where one side is more favored than the other so that my experience and his inexperience is brought more to a balance.



I would actually advise something a little different than Aussie_Digger. I've played all of the scenarios, although some of them were in the two-map format, and I would recommend doing the American Airborne map.

Give the newer player Allies (because they are favored and have lots of options for medals) and you take the Germans. It'll give you a great challenge, and you still have reinforcements along with some of the new rules.

If you're really wanting a beach landing scenario, I would recommend Utah. It's still a tough battle but in my estimation the Omaha beach is a tougher fight. All of them are fun, though, so anything you pick is going to be fun!

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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 01:01
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 02:20




I would actually advise something a little different than Aussie_Digger. I've played all of the scenarios, although some of them were in the two-map format, and I would recommend doing the American Airborne map.

Give the newer player Allies (because they are favored and have lots of options for medals) and you take the Germans. It'll give you a great challenge, and you still have reinforcements along with some of the new rules.


Enjoy!! Smile



That's funny I was looking at the airborne map last night thinking it might be a good one to do..

So might do as you suggest, see how long it takes us and then maybe swap sides for a second game.

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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 01:52
Aussie_Digger wrote on Sat, 19 July 2014 16:01

rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 02:20




I would actually advise something a little different than Aussie_Digger. I've played all of the scenarios, although some of them were in the two-map format, and I would recommend doing the American Airborne map.

Give the newer player Allies (because they are favored and have lots of options for medals) and you take the Germans. It'll give you a great challenge, and you still have reinforcements along with some of the new rules.


Enjoy!! Smile



That's funny I was looking at the airborne map last night thinking it might be a good one to do..

So might do as you suggest, see how long it takes us and then maybe swap sides for a second game.


The Airborne map has the fewest 'new' rules to learn but still has some great decisions to make. It'll be tough for the Germans, based on my two games with Sam1812, but I also know that newer players might not find the Allies as easy as we did.

It should be pretty quick, though, so I suspect you'll have time to play both sides (or try a second time as the same side). Have fun and let us know how it goes!! Very Happy
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 11:38
Well we played the airborne scenario today, and what a blast. I took the Germans and my friend took the US. The end score was Germans 9 and US 6, thought the score dosn't really reflect how close it was.

There were a number of times where we were 1 medal away from winning but due to objectives changing hands (multiple times on some occasions) this foiled the winning side at the time.

In the end the Germans took back a medal due to occupying a town (US only had 4 afterwards) moving to contest a bridge (US were at 8 medals before this) and eliminating an enemy unit to take back the lead and win the game.

Early on in the game we both were able to bring on some reinforcement but towards the end we couldn't get much apart from on the move orders.

So my first experience was very positive with this new expansion, looking forward to getting a 2 map game going, will be in either breakthrough or overthrough style depending on the numbers we get.

One thing I was unsure of was, when bringing on a reinforcement dose that unit cost an order from the card just played? (and if it battles dose that count as one of the ordered units?)
I didn't think it did so played that it didn't cost an order from the just played card.

      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 14:34
Aussie_Digger wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 05:38

Well we played the airborne scenario today, and what a blast. I took the Germans and my friend took the US. The end score was Germans 9 and US 6, thought the score dosn't really reflect how close it was.

There were a number of times where we were 1 medal away from winning but due to objectives changing hands (multiple times on some occasions) this foiled the winning side at the time.

In the end the Germans took back a medal due to occupying a town (US only had 4 afterwards) moving to contest a bridge (US were at 8 medals before this) and eliminating an enemy unit to take back the lead and win the game.

Early on in the game we both were able to bring on some reinforcement but towards the end we couldn't get much apart from on the move orders.

So my first experience was very positive with this new expansion, looking forward to getting a 2 map game going, will be in either breakthrough or overthrough style depending on the numbers we get.

One thing I was unsure of was, when bringing on a reinforcement dose that unit cost an order from the card just played? (and if it battles dose that count as one of the ordered units?)
I didn't think it did so played that it didn't cost an order from the just played card.



From the way the rules read to me. The dice roll that gives the reinforcement is its ORDER. Hence the reinforcement is placed on the board; MOVEMENT, and if the unit is in a situation allowing it - BATTLE.
No orders are necessary from the cards. I hope I am correct.
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 14:55
Stevens is correct as was confirmed by Richard Borg in another thread.

SO: reinforcement does not need a card to order it.
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 16:12
Wow, these maps are huge! I'm going to play my first, American Airborne, solo today so that I will know more for when I play against my friend next month. My breakthrough plastic cover isn't big enough for these maps, my gaming table isn't large enough for more than one map. I had planned on doing two in OL format, but only one fits. I'll post the results later, love the reinforcement rules, it's just what you need for a D-Day scenario!


      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 21:31
50th wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 23:42

Wow, these maps are huge! I'm going to play my first, American Airborne, solo today so that I will know more for when I play against my friend next month. My breakthrough plastic cover isn't big enough for these maps, my gaming table isn't large enough for more than one map. I had planned on doing two in OL format, but only one fits. I'll post the results later, love the reinforcement rules, it's just what you need for a D-Day scenario!





I pretty much found this scenario as rass described it above, so giving the more experienced player the Germans works well. The US has many options at gaining medals while the Germans are trying to limit all their options. Very fun scenario.

I just had some new sheets of plexi glass cut to fit these scenarios (well 2 maps), had them cut in away that will also serve other games to (4 x 710mm x 600mm)
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Sun, 20 July 2014 21:33
Jeronimon wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 22:25

Stevens is correct as was confirmed by Richard Borg in another thread.

SO: reinforcement does not need a card to order it.


Good to see we did the right thing then, just decided to go with what felt right (and remembered about it not costing an order to deploy a reinforcement in campaigns)
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Mon, 21 July 2014 04:21
Well, I did it. I played as the Germans and rolled a die to select the Command Card the Americans would play. The Americans took three of the town control markers fairly quickly, and with their extra die on reinforcement rolls, got reinforcements more than the Germans. I used my on the move rolls to move the German reinforcements up as quickly as possible. I got one very luck reinforcement roll and got a elite armor unit. I finally took back enough town control markers to take back the two medals, which gave me the win. Here is a bad photo taken with a cell phone camera of the end;

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/ronh51/Games/IMG_20140720_170427_zpsf92be670.jpg
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Mon, 21 July 2014 13:10
50th wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 15:12

Wow, these maps are huge! I'm going to play my first, American Airborne, solo today so that I will know more for when I play against my friend next month. My breakthrough plastic cover isn't big enough for these maps, my gaming table isn't large enough for more than one map. I had planned on doing two in OL format, but only one fits. I'll post the results later, love the reinforcement rules, it's just what you need for a D-Day scenario!





Me, I've set them up on a table-tennis table - I can fit 3 on side by side (but I haven't done a 3-map setup yet) and there's plenty of space for all the tokens and things! So far I've done Sword/Juno and Gold/Omaha both as double breakthrough and they're awesome Very Happy And after these reviews I can't wait to do Utah/Airborne Cool
      
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Re:Opinions on which single scenario D day map. Tue, 22 July 2014 20:24
Jeronimon wrote on Sun, 20 July 2014 13:55

Stevens is correct as was confirmed by Richard Borg in another thread.

SO: reinforcement does not need a card to order it.


Yes, reinforcement units are considered ordered but first para under Reinforcement Unit Notes (page 3) states:

"Regardless of the hex where the unit is deployed it can no longer move this turn"

SO: Armour, Infantry and Mobile Artillery units cannot move but may Battle if terrain allows and they are not placed adjacent to an enemy unit.
      
    
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