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Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 00:46
Generals:
I was wondering how you guys roll your dice. This may not be an important question to some, but it is to me. Let me explain, say I have 3 cards for the right flank in my hand. I play the 1st card, move the units to attack. Next turn 2nd card, move units, I am now ready to battle,(it does not matter what units are moved), say I have 3 units. After rolling the dice for all 3 units, I may get 2 or 3 kills out of a 6 to 9 dice roll. This is frustrating.
My questing is: How do you roll your dice?
Out of your hand unto the board or table?
Do you use a dice tower?
Do you throw them into the M44 box top?
Do you use a dice cup?
You help is needed and welcomed.
Thank you M44 Generals
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 01:49
Funny question, but anyways

Dice rolling here is done mostly with a foldable Raptor dice tower. However, when I'm very much in need of a positive outcome, I might
- take the dice in hand
- 'feel' if the hands vibe is right, otherwise change hands/dice
- blow on the hand, to blow im more good vibes
- shout something meaningless like "ooooehhgojen"
- look like I have to poo
- and roll the dice (from hand and on the table)
From start to finnish takes about 7 secs.

Is this the kind of answer you're looking for?
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 18:38
Yes, that's kind of an odd question. I'm curious why you ask? Having particularly bad luck with your dice or something or arguments about leaners?

I use any means at my disposal, which means rolling on table, board or using a dice tower when I'm in the mood. Generally we play any leaners are rerolled no matter what the angle, except for leaning on terrain or badges and the like, and any die off the table is rerolled. However, I am generous to some players, such as my son, and sometimes allow re-rolls if he begs enough.
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 19:26
I have a tray with a felt bottom that I use, but when I play solo, I use a dice program (with Memoir dice!) to roll for the other side. For apple there is a dice app where you can define the dice with pics (grenade, tank, infantry, star...) called motionx, and there is a memoir dice app for android that isn't as good, but is already set up for memoir.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/ronh51/Games/2011-03-31006-1.jpg

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Re:Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 22:24
5 star general wrote on Mon, 18 August 2014 18:46

Generals:
Out of your hand unto the board or table? / See my anwers below in bold.


I have seen problems with this method. For example, dice in hand-no shaking and then a toss onto a board or into a box. The dice often do not roll, but sometimes land on one side and skid (which I call "dead rolls"). Also, errant dice can disturb the setup on the board.

Do you use a dice tower?

My preferred method and I take one with me for this purpose and encourage players to use it.

Do you throw them into the M44 box top?

Once again it depends on how players release the dice and side skidding often occurs. Also, the depth of the box top can be an issue. I played in a Mem '44 tournament where my opponent used the deep Mem '44 box lid to roll dice in. but usually one or more of the rolls were hidden from my view as they stopped near the edge closest to me. So, every time he rolled dice I had to get up if I wanted to see the rolls. It was sort of annoying and I should have requested he use either the dice tower or at least a shallow box. With the dice tower, this does not happen.

Do you use a dice cup?

Another good idea and one I have used with the dice tower. This comes in handy with larger numbers of dice as a dropped die / dice is less likely and with a good shake or two helsp to throughly move the dice around.


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Re:Dice Rolling Tue, 19 August 2014 23:07
Dice tower man myself.
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Wed, 20 August 2014 00:16
Generals:

Thank you all for your answers and time.
I do have a dice tower and think I'll give it another try.
It's just the way the dice roll I guess.
There is no special way to roll, to get more hits.
As for the question being odd. Just thought I'd try to pick your brains for some help and I got it.
You are a great bunch of players and this is a great community.
Truly the best war game I have ever played.
Thank you all. Very Happy
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Wed, 20 August 2014 01:20
5 star general wrote on Tue, 19 August 2014 18:16

Generals:

Thank you all for your answers and time.
I do have a dice tower and think I'll give it another try.
It's just the way the dice roll I guess.



A short story on that.

A while back a played a wargame and one of the important segments of a turn was the air war. Usually planes (air points in the game) were matched up 1 to 1 and a one was needed to eliminate an enemy plane. Often 50 or more of these rolls were needed to resolve air combat for a turn. To save time, we would roll 6 dice at a time and the odds were at least one one would be rolled. Well my opponent seemed to have a knack for rolling more than his fair share of ones and I.... Rolling Eyes

I changed dice several times, I tried rolling more or less dice at a time, I tried rolling on the table, in a box, in a dice tower and nothing seemed to alter the fact he rolled more ones than I. So I went on to the next phase of the game turn knowing these was no solution to the air war losses, I was just a lousy pilot Laughing

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Re:Dice Rolling Wed, 20 August 2014 19:42
tank commander wrote on Wed, 20 August 2014 01:20

5 star general wrote on Tue, 19 August 2014 18:16

Generals:

Thank you all for your answers and time.
I do have a dice tower and think I'll give it another try.
It's just the way the dice roll I guess.



A short story on that.

A while back a played a wargame and one of the important segments of a turn was the air war. Usually planes (air points in the game) were matched up 1 to 1 and a one was needed to eliminate an enemy plane. Often 50 or more of these rolls were needed to resolve air combat for a turn. To save time, we would roll 6 dice at a time and the odds were at least one one would be rolled. Well my opponent seemed to have a knack for rolling more than his fair share of ones and I.... Rolling Eyes

I changed dice several times, I tried rolling more or less dice at a time, I tried rolling on the table, in a box, in a dice tower and nothing seemed to alter the fact he rolled more ones than I. So I went on to the next phase of the game turn knowing these was no solution to the air war losses, I was just a lousy pilot Laughing


Maybe if tanks would fly you be a great pilot with your name Laughing
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Thu, 21 August 2014 10:20
How I roll dice:

I prefer the lid of a box, but from a smaller game. Memoir boxes are too big.
I have a few smaller games which have excellent boxes for it.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1198/set
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/41114/resistance

But more recently, I have a new way.
My 4 year old son asks if he may roll the dice, so I tell him: "roll <insert number of dice here> dice now, here, next to the board/in the lid of this box". Unfortunately, his aim is not as good as his enthusiasm, so if 1 die actually ends up in the lid/next to the board, I'm very happy. Every roll, he knocks over a few figures and one of the dice is bound to end up under the table.

But he enjoys playing with dad, and is proud if his roll ended up gaining a medal. I gladly endure this if it increases chances that he'll play memoir with me in a few years.
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Thu, 21 August 2014 11:37
JJAZ wrote on Wed, 20 August 2014 13:42

tank commander wrote on Wed, 20 August 2014 01:20

5 star general wrote on Tue, 19 August 2014 18:16

Generals:

Thank you all for your answers and time.
I do have a dice tower and think I'll give it another try.
It's just the way the dice roll I guess.



A short story on that.

A while back a played a wargame and one of the important segments of a turn was the air war. Usually planes (air points in the game) were matched up 1 to 1 and a one was needed to eliminate an enemy plane. Often 50 or more of these rolls were needed to resolve air combat for a turn. To save time, we would roll 6 dice at a time and the odds were at least one one would be rolled. Well my opponent seemed to have a knack for rolling more than his fair share of ones and I.... Rolling Eyes

I changed dice several times, I tried rolling more or less dice at a time, I tried rolling on the table, in a box, in a dice tower and nothing seemed to alter the fact he rolled more ones than I. So I went on to the next phase of the game turn knowing these was no solution to the air war losses, I was just a lousy pilot Laughing


Maybe if tanks would fly you be a great pilot with your name Laughing


Sometimes wish I could use a dice tower for Online games. Played one the other day and rolled 1 greande with 44 rolls (2%) while my opponent rolled 28% grenades Shocked Guess who won that one Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Thu, 21 August 2014 11:37]

      
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Re:Dice Rolling Thu, 21 August 2014 21:16
tank commander wrote on Thu, 21 August 2014 11:37

JJAZ wrote on Wed, 20 August 2014 13:42

tank commander wrote on Wed, 20 August 2014 01:20

5 star general wrote on Tue, 19 August 2014 18:16

Generals:

Thank you all for your answers and time.
I do have a dice tower and think I'll give it another try.
It's just the way the dice roll I guess.



A short story on that.

A while back a played a wargame and one of the important segments of a turn was the air war. Usually planes (air points in the game) were matched up 1 to 1 and a one was needed to eliminate an enemy plane. Often 50 or more of these rolls were needed to resolve air combat for a turn. To save time, we would roll 6 dice at a time and the odds were at least one one would be rolled. Well my opponent seemed to have a knack for rolling more than his fair share of ones and I.... Rolling Eyes

I changed dice several times, I tried rolling more or less dice at a time, I tried rolling on the table, in a box, in a dice tower and nothing seemed to alter the fact he rolled more ones than I. So I went on to the next phase of the game turn knowing these was no solution to the air war losses, I was just a lousy pilot Laughing


Maybe if tanks would fly you be a great pilot with your name Laughing


Sometimes wish I could use a dice tower for Online games. Played one the other day and rolled 1 greande with 44 rolls (2%) while my opponent rolled 28% grenades Shocked Guess who won that one Rolling Eyes



I had a word or 2 with Mr Stevens about dice rolling on Vassal or online by means of a computer.


I think there is one or 2 things to say about luck or bad luck with dices.

First lets assume we roll 10 dices.

The rolls ARE and I don't use symbols.

HIT, MISS, MISS, MISS, HIT, HIT, MISS, HIT, MISS, HIT.

Now translate this to 2 played cards.

Player A plays a card and has only 4 dices to roll.
He hits 1 on 4.(first 4 dices in example)

Player B plays a card and has only 6 dices to roll.
He hits 4 on 6.(last 6 dices in example)
Lets do it again.

Player A plays a card and has only 6 dices to roll.
He hits 3 on 6.(first 6 dices in example)

Player B plays a card and has only 4 dices to roll.
He hits 2 on 4.(last 4 dices in example)

So what I try to prove is that the sequence of dices is random,
and how many we role is depending on the card we play and the shots we have.

So I played Mr Stevens and whiffed a disastrous turn and made a remark he probably hit me hard in his turn, and I was right.
So then I said I should have played a card which gave me 2 more orders to fire so I would have gotten those good rolls.

Now the question.

If you roll a very good sequence and you could role more dices,
Would it be better NOT to continue and give the left dice rolls to your opponents turn and hope he gets the bad sequence?
So if he has that you probably get the better sequence again on your turn Laughing

This is Nobel price stuff Laughing




      
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Re:Dice Rolling Thu, 21 August 2014 23:07
The function that generates random numbers in Vassal or any other program may vary depending on implementation. But its unlikely the same sequence of 10 die rolls split up between two players in succession would ever be the same in two different scenarios. That is, each call to the function will likely return a different result depending on the time (likely to milliseconds) the call is made, and each die is really "rolled" separately. (Not the same as rolling 4 or 6 die simultaneously by hand, BTW).

That is, your analysis isn't realistic (but I get the idea you are joking). The application, if written properly, does not stack up 10 rolls beforehand and then deal them out in succession. Each roll will be randomized at the time its made.

However, your computer generated rolls are not randomized in the same way as your physical rolls. Personally, being a software developer, I would never use an app to randomize rolls for me. Knowing enough developers and how lousy they can be, I trust my physical rolls and greatly prefer their "true" randomness.
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Fri, 22 August 2014 21:26
Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 21 August 2014 23:07

The function that generates random numbers in Vassal or any other program may vary depending on implementation. But its unlikely the same sequence of 10 die rolls split up between two players in succession would ever be the same in two different scenarios. That is, each call to the function will likely return a different result depending on the time (likely to milliseconds) the call is made, and each die is really "rolled" separately. (Not the same as rolling 4 or 6 die simultaneously by hand, BTW).

That is, your analysis isn't realistic (but I get the idea you are joking). The application, if written properly, does not stack up 10 rolls beforehand and then deal them out in succession. Each roll will be randomized at the time its made.

However, your computer generated rolls are not randomized in the same way as your physical rolls. Personally, being a software developer, I would never use an app to randomize rolls for me. Knowing enough developers and how lousy they can be, I trust my physical rolls and greatly prefer their "true" randomness.


Point taken and I totally agree as I'm a software men also.
But nevertheless I still feel a little right Laughing
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Fri, 22 August 2014 22:49
Of course this is all on preference but I recommend the simple hand roll. I use both hands and spin the dice as I roll. I roll low so the dice don't roll off the table otherwise I use a box. I don't use cups unless the game itself requires you to use a cup like in Liar's Dice or Backgammon therefore I don't use a Dice Tower unless everyone does.
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sat, 23 August 2014 10:24
I do not like my dice. I feel that the number of flags rolled is too high. When I spoke with my friends about this they thought that I'm just silly and it's all in my head.

Knowing the effect of flags (especially multiple flags per one roll) I kept bringing this matter up, but it sounded like my opponents wanted some sort of proof. I decided to roll thousand times and do some stats. This happened about a year ago, by the way.

I do not have the percentages, but I remember some results: using all eight dice, more than a third of the rolls were flags. I threw the dice normally to floor and tried to ensure each one actually rolled. Told my friends how it's more probable to roll a flag instead of infantry symbol and all they would say is that crazy of me to waste my time rolling all that dice. Confused
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sat, 23 August 2014 23:26
Hay Zalamence,
I fully agree with you, the flag comes up to many times. It has made more enemy units retreat when I could have gotten more kills. I have had two inf. units in close assault, only to have the 1st unit roll roll two flags, thus only being able to roll 1 die for the 2nd unit. That's a good way to lose a match. Rolling Eyes Shocked Mad
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 01:53
You are not crazy, but your sample size is too small. Roll the dice one million times and then report back.

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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 02:03
Sgt Storm wrote on Sat, 23 August 2014 16:53

You are not crazy, but you're sample size is too small. Roll the dice one million times and then report back.


If the first test was a waste of time, I think a test on this scale would be a crime. Do you have any kids? Maybe you can make them do it?! Very Happy
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 04:37
If you rolled one dice every five seconds until you reached 1,000,000 rolls it would take you about 58 days of continuous rolling.
Not such a worthy endeavor?
Sad Rolling Eyes Shocked
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 05:36
Zalamence wrote on Sat, 23 August 2014 02:24

I do not like my dice.....all they would say is that crazy of me to waste my time rolling all that dice. Confused

Those are smart friends you have giving you good advice - I would suggest you listen to it Razz
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 09:03
stevens wrote on Sun, 24 August 2014 04:37

If you rolled one dice every five seconds until you reached 1,000,000 rolls it would take you about 58 days of continuous rolling.
Not such a worthy endeavor?
Sad Rolling Eyes Shocked


The other option is to roll 1 million dice in 1 go.
Sales at DOW could then maybe provide separate sets of dices.
Laughing
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 11:53
With one die being 0.016 metres by 0.016 metres by 0.016 metres, 1,000,000 dice, nicely stacked in a cube of 100 by 100 by 100 dice would be 1.6 metres by 1.6 metres by 1.6 metres or 4.096 m3.
4 square metres would not even fill a decent sized dump truck.
As for the weight: 10 dice weigh 27 grams, so 1,000,000 dice are 2,700,000 grams, or 2.7 metric ton. Also easy for a decent dump truck.

So this test could easily be done by loading the 1,000,000 dice in a dump truck and having it dump all the dice out.

I think the worst part would be tracking all the results of the dice.

Another solution is to have 1 million people each roll one die.

(I might have made some calculation mistakes or even logical mistakes in this post. Please feel free to point them out. )
      
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Re:Dice Rolling Sun, 24 August 2014 15:28
[quote title=Quit2 wrote on Sun, 24 August 2014 05:53]So this test could easily be done by loading the 1,000,000 dice in a dump truck and having it dump all the dice out.quote]

Of course there is the small matter of building a dice tower big enough as I doubt one could find a game box that big Laughing

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Re:Dice Rolling Mon, 25 August 2014 06:59
[quote title=tank commander wrote on Sun, 24 August 2014 15:28]
Quit2 wrote on Sun, 24 August 2014 05:53

So this test could easily be done by loading the 1,000,000 dice in a dump truck and having it dump all the dice out.quote]

Of course there is the small matter of building a dice tower big enough as I doubt one could find a game bos that big Laughing




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