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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 08:11
If only we had the Soviets representing in this Nations Cup.

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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 08:16
Don't have much time this week, but here's my first reaction.

I am delighted with so many great reactions and I'm sure we'll have enough teams to have this tournament. I hope that this will be our tournament soon instead of mine. Very Happy

- Léachris, you can easily join because the tournament will start after most people's summer holidays, probably at the end of August or the beginning of September.

- Wuonex, I can understand your wish to restrict the number of teams by one per country. For me it doesn't matter much, but if there are many German players who will join (which seems to be the case) it might be a nice gesture to allow them to start with two teams. Of course, a player who has played for Germany I would not be allowed to play for Germany II during the tournament.

- tjandjahall, depending on the number of teams, to have all teams in one round robin would be fine with me. It would be nice to end with a Danish round (no. 1 in rank plays no. 2, no. 3 plays no. 4, and so on), though.

- Personally I think it shouldn't be the captain to decide who plays on which board. Let him or her decide who play and let the individual ranking before the start of each match decide about the pairings. It would be more interesting for spectators (to watch the 1st board), and presumably we will see closer matches.

- Wernerus, I hope you will eventually join in with an Austrian team. I'd like to have as many people and nations to join as possible, and besides, you would make a strong contender for the title.

- thaddäus, form your "World United" team! I think there are more people like you who either live in a country that doesn't have many skilled TTR players or, like you, don't have any patriottic feelings.

- To all players who are not top-ranked: don't hesitate to form a team or to join an existing team, the tournament is open for everyone.

- Rode Katers and Peter, great news you both joined the Dutch squad. Where are the other Dutchies?

So far we seem to have The Netherlands, Canada, USA, Finland, France, Germany, Austria(?), and a transnational team(?). This is starting to look like a tournament. Let's continue this discussion here until we can hand the tournament over to a TD (hopefully tjandjahall) to make the final decisions on the time schedule, rules, etcetera.

cu soon, bas
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 08:44
bassie wrote on Wed, 13 July 2005 16:16

- tjandjahall, depending on the number of teams, to have all teams in one round robin would be fine with me. It would be nice to end with a Danish round (no. 1 in rank plays no. 2, no. 3 plays no. 4, and so on), though.

Danish round? I think you've managed to surprise me with a tournament term with which I am unfamiliar. That hasn't happened in a long, long time. Can you explain this more completely?

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So far we seem to have The Netherlands, Canada, USA, Finland, France, Germany, Austria(?), and a transnational team(?). This is starting to look like a tournament. Let's continue this discussion here until we can hand the tournament over to a TD (hopefully tjandjahall) to make the final decisions on the time schedule, rules, etcetera.

There really wouldn't be a problem with discussing tournament rules even once you do have a director. Players are allowed to have opinions and offer ideas concerning tournament operation. You just have to remember that changes to tournament organisation will usually have to wait until the next tournament before you can implement them. It's usually bad to change the rules during a tournament. At that stage, the director is really the only one with the neutrality (theoretically) to be able to do that.

And, of course, a director has to be happy to work with the rules of a tournament, or he simply won't accept the position.

I'll be happy to give advice concerning tournament rules even if I have no other involvement with the Nation's Cup.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 19:18
So Angel you are the best ranked austria player.
If you like you can Form an Austria Team.
Everyone from Austria who wants to join the team should tell you and than we will fight till the end...... Laughing Razz
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 19:56
I would be glad to join a Austria Team .
I think we have some excellent players in the top ranking.
Angel 6 is the highest ranked player but we have also Bubble, Angel 9, Halifax, Schnellzug from Austria. So hope everyone is interested so we can build a excellent Team.
See you................ in the future game!!!!!!!!!!


      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 13 July 2005 22:16
Hi Anyone...

Here is an idea that seems fun...
If

  1. you plan to start this one after august 15th,
  2. the rules allow a crew member to join Wink
  3. Team France can use a low-ranked substitute Embarassed (Maybe I could be regular player in France VIII Rolling Eyes )

I would be glad to join...

[Updated on: Wed, 13 July 2005 22:20]

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 02:50
i am interested
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 09:23
domino schrieb am Wed, 13 July 2005 19:18

So Angel you are the best ranked austria player.
If you like you can Form an Austria Team.
Everyone from Austria who wants to join the team should tell you and than we will fight till the end...... Laughing Razz


In fact, Angel9, Katzenfrau, Wernerus and I (Angel6 + Angel345) are all together in Canada (from Calgary towards Alaska and back again Very Happy ) from August 7th, to September 4th.

Probably, this will make it impossible to participate in the Nations Cup at all. Sad

But if not, it would be a privilege for me to participate in an Austrian team and maybe train some players beforehand. Cool

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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 11:10
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 11:12
grolapinos and elric are ready to join the french team !

VIVE LA FRANCE !!!

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 14:54
bassie wrote on Wed, 13 July 2005 02:16


- Personally I think it shouldn't be the captain to decide who plays on which board. Let him or her decide who play and let the individual ranking before the start of each match decide about the pairings. It would be more interesting for spectators (to watch the 1st board), and presumably we will see closer matches.



Hi Bassie,

First of all thanks for the excellent idea of a Nation's Cup! It really seems to have caught on and you deserve the initial credit. Smile

Now on to details. I'll give my take just for the record but I'm only one vote so if y'all decide against what I have to offer I promise I won't be angry and take my ball and run home. Rolling Eyes

Since I am a big tennis fan I tend to think of this as a sort of Davis Cup. And although I'm not exactly sure how seedings are done in Davis Cup, I would suspect they are done much as they are in my local leagues when we play a 'meet' with another team: We play a total of 5 matches at the same time, and the winner of 3 matches wins the 'meet.' For the overall standings, record is the first indicator, but then the tiebreaker is matches won, then sets, then games. This would transfer easily to TTR because the individual game results in the best of 5 within each match would matter for the tiebreaks.

The captain submits a roster before the match listing who will play in slots 1-5, and the other captain does the same. Neither captain sees the other's roster, so this makes for some interesting placements and strategy even before the meet starts. Usually captains just list from strongest to weakest, but sometimes they mix it up if they are playing a team that is top heavy or has a player with particular tendencies that match up with another. But it still becomes a guess, because nobody is sure where the other captain will list that player, and they could be mixing it up as well.

In Nation's Cup, I think this is by far the best way to go because otherwise, if you force-seed by rankings, it is the smaller teams that will pay the price because they will be forced to use their strongest player (who might not even be top 40) against someone like Pilke or thekid when they could possibly snag a win by mixing it up. And, because of the tiebreaker, every win would be significant even if the match was lost.

Force-seeding also takes away the strategy of matchups. For instance, when USA plays the Dutchies, Bassie would be forced to play thekid when they might prefer to match him up against me (since Bassie owns me. Wink ) by placing him in the slot where they think I will be. And I know Peter has been itching for a shot against thekid, so this would take away his opportunity as well.

I just think having the captain submit the rosters to the TD would make for a more interesting tournament all around, because it would add a whole other element of strategy.

And I sure hope tj will accept the position of TD regardless. I can't think of anyone else (besides Rek but he will be playing) who would be an impartial, knowledgeable, and experienced TD.

I hope this makes sense. If it is unclear in any way let me know. Just my 2 cents...



Best,
SKM





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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 15:12
I agree with SKM as that scenario is also like the Ryder Cup in golf with the captains picking the slots of the players.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 17:34
Hi there

I agree too,think thats the most interisting way.

Cu all in a game

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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 14 July 2005 22:33
I agree too...

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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 15 July 2005 10:36
Ok, I wrote a PM to plcrams and yaron but as they are on vacation it can take time till we know if they want to join the world team group.

In case that there are not enough people interested to join this group, I will try to get a place in one of the many groups already existing.

I hope there will be place for me somewhere Wink

cu

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Re:The Nations Cup Sun, 17 July 2005 13:10
léachris écrit le Thu, 14 July 2005 11:12

grolapinos and elric are ready to join the french team !

VIVE LA FRANCE !!!




As my timetable doesn't let me plan to participate actively to this tournament, I think I'll join the french team as the FIRST and OFFICIAL "french lime slicer" !!!! Razz

Lea : Sorry to discover you didn't make it to the final in the "open"... I'm sure you did your best, so keep it up !!!

Good luck to the french team !!!
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 18 July 2005 08:04
heeyy all ^^

I wanted to know if you know when will the Nation Cup beginn, because I really would like to be part of the French team, but I´ll be in vacation in August , I still haven and I don´t know when I´ll be back, well if I can´t participe it doesn´t really matter, I´ll be glad to support your frenchy team ^^

If it´s missing you some French people, try to ask Epo & Chanchan, if thay wanna play in the tournament, they are really good players.

well, good luck and good vacation all ^^

cu
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 18 July 2005 19:55
I'm not in the top 50 but I'd be up for playing for the Americans.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Mon, 18 July 2005 22:18
Dandelion_Wine wrote on Mon, 18 July 2005 13:55

I'm not in the top 50 but I'd be up for playing for the Americans.


Still have not heard exactly what the format will be (my vote and several who have agreed is above) but if we go with a 5 game format the 1st USA team already has 7 players, which should be enough. As I understand it, you are certainly welcome to form another team. Good luck!


      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 19 July 2005 12:48
hi

there are not a lot of informations in the french forum Evil or Very Mad ...so i would like to know how many persons can do this nations cup...i'm here after August the 18th and i hope there aren't enough persons in the french team

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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 19 July 2005 14:55
hello everybody !

Like léachris said, I'd be proud and very happy to join the "team FRANCE". I'll be there after August the 21st.

Nico and vinz : kotay opened a new thread yesterday in the french forum, about this new Cup... at us to make it live... and we will see how many we are, and how we will form our team(s)... Smile

bassie : many thanks for the idea... great idea, really ! Nod

SKMorefield (and some others) : thanks too for the propositions of tournament...
Here are mine : I think it'll be better if each team could play against all the others (like the rounds between the Challengers for the America's Cup). But, maybe, there will be too much teams and it would be too long. And I agree with SKM that the captain can choose the players and their slots in every match... more interesting.

To finish, we should rule quickly and definitively about the number of players of each team : how many to play each match, and how many to join each team (with the substitutes)... Thus, we should know the number of teams by country, it could be 2 for Germany, USA and, maybe, France. To my mind, it's the organizer (bassie) with the director (tjandjahall) who have to decide.

cu all and... VIVE LA FRANCE ! ! ! Wink Very Happy


ps : and sorry for my poooooooor (and limited!) english Embarassed
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 19 July 2005 17:14
kotay is in holidays, and his post is empty...nobody put a post Crying or Very Sad Crying or Very Sad Evil or Very Mad
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 19 July 2005 22:46
Hello anyone...

Not really a national team, but would you mind if a DoW team join ?

Eric, MarkoPolo, Pierre and I are ready to join and we'd like to proove that we are better than what our rankings might show Rolling Eyes

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Tue, 19 July 2005 23:57
Bring on team DOW, I have had the pleasure of playiung 2 of them.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 00:02
Franck wrote on Tue, 19 July 2005 16:46

Hello anyone...

Not really a national team, but would you mind if a DoW team join ?

Eric, MarkoPolo, Pierre and I are ready to join and we'd like to proove that we are better than what our rankings might show Rolling Eyes




Hmm, scary proposition, especially since you guys probably have access to things we wouldn't, such as ticket destinations, etc. Wink Wink

But then if you used those things your rank would be higher! Very Happy

KIDDING!!! I would think a DoW team would fit in quite nicely with the rest of them, eh Bassie?
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 08:43
It would be an honour to have a DoW team joining us. You are most welcome! Sorry, but I still couldn't find time this week to respond to questions and ideas about the Nations Cup. But I can make up for that now. Wink

Thanks, SKMorefield, for your interesting ideas about how the tournament should be run. As we don't have a TD yet, I will post my ideas on the rules here. Since there is time enough before the start of the tournament, I won't finalize them until, say, Sunday, 7th of August. Anyone who wants me to change my mind on the rules can try so until this date.

- We will start Monday, the 5th of September. I think most people will have returned from their holidays by then; besides, there are still two tourneys going on that will have our attention in the coming time.

- Transnational teams are allowed.

- More than one team per country is allowed.

- All teams will join in a round robin, so each team will play against all other teams once. To make sure everything goes fair and square, I think it would be wise to let compatriottic teams meet in the first round(s).

- After the round robin, we will have cross finals and a final (should we play for 5th to last place too?), so I don't have to explain tjandjahall about the Danish round Laughing .

- Captains will pick the slots for each match and submits the roster to the TD before, say, Monday morning. You convinced me on that one, SKMorefield.

- One clash per week. Playing is possible from Tuesday thru Sunday. I leave it to the players to deal with Monday. Laughing

- Each clash has 4 matches, which are 1-to-1 games, best-of-seven. A draw in a clash is possible (not in a match). Any American has until the 7th of August to convince me that this idea is preposterous, silly and outraged. Smile Btw, another reason for having 4-player teams is that I am not certain if the smaller countries will be able to set up a competitive team if they would have to play with 5 players. SKMorefield gave his thoughts on this; I would like to know from other people too what your opinions are on this matter.

- After the beginning of the tournament, no new players can be added to a team. If you think you will need substitutes during the tournament, start with more than 4 players. If in any clash a team is not able to fill a slot, it will lose that match (not necessarily the clash!).

- I would have liked to post announcements on the other forums (thank you, Peter de Zeeuw, for your announcement on the Dutch forum and kotay, too, for starting a thread on the French forum), but like I said, haven't had much time lately. And it might be better that a native speaker would do this... Smile so feel free!

Btw, IMHO it is more important that a captain is capable than that he or she is a good player. So it shouldn't necessaily be the highest-ranked player.
      
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Belgium Wed, 20 July 2005 09:26
Do we already have a Belgium team ready? I know that there are some good Belgiums around...

But if Holland is short on players, and Belgium too, maybe we could form an alliance? BeNeLux? Yes, that means we need players from Luxemburg too (anyone seen them around?). Smile

Anyway, just a thought.

O, and Franck... love the idea of a DoW team (as you already knew)! Wink

Greetings,

D.I.S.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 09:36
bassie schrieb am Wed, 20 July 2005 08:43

- We will start Monday, the 5th of September.

This starting day makes it very probable that an Austrian (or Alps or Vienna) team will join the Cup. Smile

bassie schrieb am Wed, 20 July 2005 08:43

- I would have liked to post announcements on the other forums.

I will write a post on the German forum.
Of course, there will easily be 2 or more very strong German teams, but maybe the post will help to get more strong Austrian or Swiss players.
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 11:20
I am happy to join the Austrian team, but I am only ranked between 200 and 400, so there are much better players from Austria ..... anyway, I am available and would be happy to participate if needed

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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 17:15
hi bassie and the others ! Cool

I agree with clashes between 4 players. But, I think you have to determine precisely how many substitutes there can be in a team. One (or two) for example (less will be allowed for the "smallest" teams)... and then, for each clash, the rule is that each captain choose the 4 players (and their slots) among the 5 (or 6) of his team... that's it ? And, with 4 players, you'll have to determine too the points for a victory, for a defeat... and for a tie... that's always it ?

So, the round robin is like a "regular season"... and after, we'll have something like "playoffs". So, if the number of teams is high (a dozen or more), maybe could we start with quarterfinals (1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5) ?

Well, before reporting the informations and the possible rules in the french forum (in the thread which started kotay), I have two more questions (for the moment Rolling Eyes ) :

- what about the name of the teams ? (maybe a question of no importance, maybe not)
I think we should limit at the name of the nations that they represent, and a number after for the "biggest" countries. For example : USA I, USA II, Finland, Switzerland, Germany I, Germany II, and so on... with of course, the two already known exceptions (the "DoW" team and the "world united" team for thaddäus, plcrams and some others)... and not allow names more personalized and exotic(!), or your Nations Cup will simply become a vulgar "team championship" (but why not ?)

- what is the end to form the teams ?... the end of august, I presume... because before, we could have problems with the holidays.

cu all in a game... or elsewhere ! Smile
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Wed, 20 July 2005 18:37
Elric, just a short reply (quite unusual for me Wink)

- I don't mind how many substitutes you take. 4 or 8 people on a team, all is fine with me. But one person can only be assigned to a single team.

- Having quarter finals might be a nice idea. I hope we will have some outline by then on how many teams will subscribe.

- 4th of September would be perfect to me as a due date, if the TD thinks it's enough to have just one day to prepare.

- About the names I don't really have an opinion. But it seems logical to follow your proposition.

btw, Peter de Zeeuw: I hope the Belgians want to make a team of their own, because I think we can have a great squad with you, Da_Vince, Rode Katers, and me. I might have a fifth player as well, so that won't be a problem.

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 21 July 2005 03:25
bassie wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 16:43

- After the round robin, we will have cross finals and a final (should we play for 5th to last place too?), so I don't have to explain tjandjahall about the Danish round Laughing .

I still want to know what it is. I haven't been able to turn up the information either on Wikipedia or via Google. Sad
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 21 July 2005 14:28
I'll try to get enough belgians together, to form a belgian team. But as most belgians are out of reach right now it might take me some time. How much time do we get to build the teams ?

Gwen
      
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Re:The Nations Cup Thu, 21 July 2005 22:55
Hi Bassie and everyone,

Here are my reasons for wanting 5 player matches instead of 4. As I said before, it's totally OK with me if you decide to go with 4... I just want to submit this for consideration.

1.) There will always be a clear-cut winner - simple, the one who takes 3 out of 5 takes it. In 4 matches, a good percentage will end up 2-2 and will depend on whatever tiebreak we decide upon. I just don't like the idea of deciding a 'meet' with a tiebreak, when an easy alternative is possible. Right now we don't play 4 or 6 games when we play a tournament match between players... we play an odd number like 5 or 7 so there is a clear winner. So why should we do this with NCup meets between countries?

2.) More people get to participate. I would imagine most of the people interested in this would like to play in every match or at least most of them, and if we are only going to have, say, 8 teams, lots of people will not get to play in any given week. Currently we have 7 on the USA squad, which means that any given week 3 of us would not get to play. Granted, 2 of those are alternates, but I'm sure they would like to play more if given the opportunity. And while they could form a USA 2 squad, they would then run into the same quality problem a smaller country would run into, which is easily solved by combining with a good player from another country (i.e. Israel/Australia/Belgium, etc.)

which is basically my next point...

3.) A country/team that can't get 5 or 6 good players can easily let someone on their squad from a smaller country or one with not very many TTR players. There are only going to be 8 teams anyway, so even with 5 matches that is only 40 people participating in any given week, compared with only 32 if we go with 4 matches.

4.) Drama - Imagine, all other matches are over but yours is not. The score is 2-2. You and everyone participating and watching find this out when your series is tied 3-3. What a finale!! Everyone's watching and if you lose this game your country loses the meet. You are not only playing for yourself, but for your teammates and your country. What pressure!! ... but you can take it because it's crunch time and that's where players are made or unmade...



Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Other than that I agree with your post. And thanks again for all your efforts in arranging this.



Best,
SKM

PS If you are a player on the American squad please PM me a real email address. If you don't feel comfortable providing your regular address, get a yahoo or hotmail account and give me that please. We will need it to make arrangements once the matches start.

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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 04:16
This is an amazingly great idea!

For any Americans out there who are left off the initial squad, I am hereby announcing the formation of a second USA squad: The Rebels!

Now, you don't have to live in the South to participate, but it does help. Smile Anyone who wants to join, post up here.

That is, if there's room for another squad...let me know.

      
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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 04:41
SKMorefield wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 06:55

1.) There will always be a clear-cut winner - simple, the one who takes 3 out of 5 takes it. In 4 matches, a good percentage will end up 2-2 and will depend on whatever tiebreak we decide upon. I just don't like the idea of deciding a 'meet' with a tiebreak, when an easy alternative is possible. Right now we don't play 4 or 6 games when we play a tournament match between players... we play an odd number like 5 or 7 so there is a clear winner. So why should we do this with NCup meeets between countries?

You don't need to break ties in this sort of tournament. If teams score one point for each match won, a 2-2 result just scores two points for each team. If teams score one point for each clash won, a tied result just scores half a point. There would be a need to break ties in an elimination tournament, but not a round-robin tournament (or a Swiss, for that matter). You would need a tie-breaker to deal with the results of the round-robin, but you can get a tie there even when you can't tie a clash.

(And don't forget that ties are possible in a single game of Ticket To Ride, which means you need a rule to deal with that possibility anyway, even if it is unlikely to matter. A tied game can lead to a tied match, which can lead to a tied clash, which can lead to a tied tournament. It is possible, though extremely unlikely, for two teams to finish with an identical results, right down to the game scores.)

The final or finals series or however the tournament is finished off would be another matter. You do need to be able to break a tie in the final clash, if you have a final clash.
      
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  Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 11:05
I like the idea of 4 matches in a clash, and I would award 2 victory points for a win (4-0 or 3-1), 1 point for a draw (2-2), and 0 points for a loss (1-3 or 0-4).

For fine evaluation I would draw on the game proportion.

But, I would play matches best of 5, 12-20 games for a clash seem to be enough for me.

An example:
Team A plays a clash of 4 matches against Team B:
A1 vs B1 - 3:2
A2 vs B2 - 1:3
A3 vs B3 - 2:3
A4 vs B4 - 3:0

After that, the rudimentary tournament chart looks as follows:

Rank Team  Vicory points  game proportion
1.   TeamA      1               9:8
2.   TeamB      1               8:9

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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 12:04
Hi everyone !

Thanks bassie for your answers... it's perfect !

To argue with SKMorefield about the number of players of a team for each clash, here are my opinion :

- as tjandjahall said, it's not a problem to have ties during a round robin, I agree with that. Like in NHL, for example, there are ties and no problems with the standings during the regular season.

- about the total number of players and matches which would result, 5 players give advantage to the "big" countries (like USA and Germany, which have much more top rank players), whereas 4 players give more chances to the "smallest" nations to have a team. So with 4 players, you can have more teams which really represent nations, and I think it's better. We could imagine a dozen of teams (USA I & II, Germany I & II, France I & II, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, the "DoW" team, the "world-thad" team, ...), which would represent easily more than 40 people.

- for the drama, no change. Each match between two players (best of seven) count for one point, and can be decisive.

Anyway, as SKM said, that's my "2 cents", and I don't mind with 5 players... so, do for best ! Smile

cu !
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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 13:05
Elric schrieb am Fri, 22 July 2005 12:04

- for the drama, no change. Each match between two players (best of seven) count for one point, and can be decisive.


I wouldn't like it much, if only match wins would be counted.
There are Nation/clash wins, Nation draws and Nation losses, and mainly this should count IMO.
The singles matches and games are of minor interest and should only count secondary, if the Nation wins/draws are equal.

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Re:The Nations Cup Fri, 22 July 2005 13:14
Angel6 écrit le Fri, 22 July 2005 11:05

I like the idea of 4 matches in a clash, and I would award 2 victory points for a win (4-0 or 3-1), 1 point for a draw (2-2), and 0 points for a loss (1-3 or 0-4).

For fine evaluation I would draw on the game proportion.

Before the game proportion, the match proportion should be more significant.

For clarity:
Player A wins with a score of 105-98. That's a game.
Player A wins best of 5 games by 3-1. That's a match.
Team AA wins 3 matches out of the 4. That's a clash.

Back to my point.

If we count 2 points per clash won, say team A wins 4-0 over team B, team C wins 3-1 over team D. That would be two points for team A and B, zero for C and D.

To break the tie between A and B, doesn't it make more sense to look at the matches (4-0 vs 3-1) rather than split them all and look at the games?

Counting points per match won would simplify the system.

Quote:

An example:
Team A plays a clash of 4 matches against Team B:
A1 vs B1 - 3:2
A2 vs B2 - 1:3
A3 vs B3 - 2:3
A4 vs B4 - 3:0

After that, the rudimentary tournament chart looks as follows:

Rank Team  Vicory points  game proportion
1.   TeamA      1               9:8
2.   TeamB      1               8:9



If the game proportions enters into account, shouldn't you play all five games rather than stop once a player reaches 3? A 3-0 might actually be a 3-2, a 4-1 or a 5-0. Playing them all gives a more accurate representation of the players' skill difference.
      
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