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SKMorefield
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PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Tue, 13 December 2005 22:39
Formerly known as PatLaPatate, ranking #4... now we know why. He quit on the very last sale when the score was 220-180-0, and he was the 0. He came back in the lobby, ignored our attempts to get him to resume, and started to play another game with 2 completely different people. I was also told in the lobby that he does this regularly. When are the devs going to develop some bots before this otherwise WONDERFUL game dies a slow death due to cheaters like this??
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Wed, 14 December 2005 16:10
Hi SKM,

I can't believe that pat did this. Thought he was a nice guy.
But I've already heared of persons, who don't like him, but never mind he left a game at the last sale.
We culd ask him about this.

Greetings

Rolli
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 05:10
Thanks for the vote of confidence Rolli! Did I ever quit on you? No. Do I win all the time when I play you? No. I hope this clears it up. Oh and SKMorefield, you know damn well why I quit our game. People who disconnect after a sale (like you did), then come back and don't do the same sale they did the first time just pisses me off...
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 15:42
HI Pat,


obviously you are a really funny guy.
You may change your account as often as you want,but please dont abuse my account for attacking SKM or any other player.


BTW:I know him as a fair and polite player.

Best regards

Imotep
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 15:46
Imotep écrit le Thu, 15 December 2005 09:42

HI Pat,


obviously you are a really funny guy.
You may change your account as often as you want,but please dont abuse my account for attacking SKM or any other player.


BTW:I know him as a fair and polite player.

Best regards

Imotep


Where did I abuse your account? And Imotep2 is not Imotep, right? And did I try to impersonate you? Nope. End of discussion.
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 17:12
Hi Pat,


of course you know what I mean.
Now you abuse my account by the same way as you abused Wiskikok's account.Maybe you intended a joke,but its not funny to use my account(only added a 2),when you attack other players.
And now its on me to finish the discussion.


Have a nice day


Imotep

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 21:49
L'HommeAux1001Pseudos wrote on Wed, 14 December 2005 23:10

Thanks for the vote of confidence Rolli! Did I ever quit on you? No. Do I win all the time when I play you? No. I hope this clears it up. Oh and SKMorefield, you know damn well why I quit our game. People who disconnect after a sale (like you did), then come back and don't do the same sale they did the first time just pisses me off...



Lies!! You have a lot of nerve. Perhaps we should ask the 3rd person in our game, Asha, what happened??!! After all, the game was between me and him, because you had 0 points and no chance for winning. Even if I HAD disconnected, which I did NOT, what would it have to do with you? You are a poor sport and a sore loser who apparently only stays in games you have a chance of winning. Sure you'll lose a few but you can sure avoid a lot of losses that way. I notice on your history that there are very few blow-outs where you are on the receiving end. You aren't THAT good...

Thanks, Imotep, for your kind words. Integrity matters, and if you don't have it word spreads quickly. Even changing one's name won't help!


Best,
SKM


PS Oh, Pat... you can keep changing your name but since you made your contribution to this thread we'll always know who you are. Laughing

[Updated on: Thu, 15 December 2005 22:15]

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 15 December 2005 23:23
Good day everybody,

SKM is right, I was very frustrated with Pat leaving the game at this stage. Long discussions are useless, he just didn't want to lose.

Regards, Asha Twisted Evil
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Tue, 18 April 2006 14:48
SKMorefield wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 21:49


PS Oh, Pat... you can keep changing your name but since you made your contribution to this thread we'll always know who you are. Laughing

Yes, it's helpfull.
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 29 June 2006 02:32
Hello !

Sry for my english (i usualy speack french)

All french players know PatLaPatate ! he always quit when lose. And he really don't speack like a nice guy :s

Lot of french people addy about him in French Forum.

So please don't play against him and maybe he will leave this nice place Smile

Ty !
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Fri, 30 June 2006 19:46
Wow. Pat must be one really bad cheater for a Frencher to come onto the English board and volunteer that the guy is an SOB! Pat, dude, we ain't playing for money! Quit being a turd!

I wonder how many other high scorers use the same tactic.

I ran into a player awhile back that did the exact same thing. I won't name him, as shortly after I placed a nasty-gram on the English, French, and German boards accusing him of cheating he contacted me, apologized, and we finished the game. He said he had lost his network, which happens to me every time the phone rings so I can't be too judgemental. But it was a curious coincidence that he was one of the top players and he disappeared seconds before the end of the game where he wasn't in a position to win.

Days of Wonder has indicated that these people take a hit on their rating when this happens, but I'd like to see what it is.

I'd also like to see it listed on the user's ID what percentage of games they don't finish.


Sag.


      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Wed, 19 July 2006 13:54
HI there,

I'm a french player too that had the great idea to have a look at this english forum Smile I often play with all of you and I wanna take part of the debate concerning PatLaPatate.

As my french friend said Smile PatLaPatate is very well known for his ranking-addiction. He OFTEN (but nto always indeed) quits game before ending it. No matters what he says, I know that's true ! I suffered 2 times from this and saw him quit whereas I was waiting on lobby too.

I know Brice is aware of this issue. Please find a way to stop him.

Best Regards,
Diplo
      
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Re: PatLaPatate Wed, 19 July 2006 16:27
Judging by his recent history, it looks like most ranked players are wise enough not to play him now, which is a good thing. Still, he enjoys his bogus #4 ranking, which is an injustice in itself but then this world is full of injustice isn't it? Evil or Very Mad Rolling Eyes

I would love to see Brice get a wild-hair and bust his rating to 1400! Cool Cool

Obviously this is a bad case and deserves to have a dedicated thread (especially as a warning to others!!), and I don't want to start a thread everytime someone leaves a game on me, but has anyone ever had a bad experience with a player named Fitchy? I am asking because he left a game on me a week or two ago right before the last sale when things didn't look good for him (always suspicious), then in the lobby he didn't respond. He could have been disconnected, but since then he hasn't responded to my PM either, and everytime I see him in the lobby he won't respond when I ask him...

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt but now I'm not so sure. Anyone else have any experiences with him?

I guess this stuff hacks me off because I remember times when I was losing horribly, legitimately got disconnected, and came back to finish the game and take my loss anyway just out of a sense of fairness (when it would have been so niiiice to forget that game ever happened!!), and I expect the same of everyone I play with.

Best,
SKM

[Updated on: Wed, 19 July 2006 16:28]

      
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Re: PatLaPatate Wed, 19 July 2006 16:57
Is there a compelling reason to not have a karma rating or something similar that indicates how often a player quits a game?
I don't know how karma works on Ticket to Ride -- everybody seems to have plenty. But here's some ideas on how to rate a player on fairness.

1. Quit a game, get a strike. Strike is removed if you finish the game at a later date. Your strikes appear in your profile when someone clicks on your name.

2. Quit a game, get a strike. As above, but strikes evaporate after 90 days.

3. Quit a game, get a strike equal to the percentage complete of the game you were playing. This will punish late quitters harder, but may be more difficult to understand for the new users.

4. As you get more strikes, your name on the player list turns red. Or maybe yellow would be a better choice of color.

Just knowing how many games a player has quit will pretty much provide an appropriate filter on their rating.

We all get disconnected now and again, and I think DoW does a great job of providing a way to rejoin or finish a game at a later date -- better than any other site I've seen. But even with that there's the chance that you can't get back online and may never get to play the game again. That's ok! Someone with one or two disconnects in 100 games isn't going to raise suspicions the way that some of these players do -- I'd bet they'd have a dozen or two in short order.

Sag.


[Updated on: Wed, 19 July 2006 16:58]

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sat, 22 July 2006 01:36
There's another cheat out there and it is the current #1 using the old beat up on multiple accounts method. Look at the scores that the #1 has put on the #3 L -Endwhatever and #34 Feldman whatever in the past 20 games. No chance those games were legit.

I would love to play this game for real, as I think I would be #1 here as well, as long as I played without the kids awake, this one requires a lot of concentration. But its currently a waste of time with all the cheats and people who leave games.

Cmon DOW give us bots and clean up these cheats and I'll sell you some games, bet your Switzerland TtR's are climbing due to you know who Smile.

[Updated on: Sat, 22 July 2006 01:41]

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sun, 23 July 2006 03:12
Hmm, Canich Hanover... does look a bit suspicious. I never even heard of her before. Is this a name change? Anyone know the former account name? I think it definitely would be a bad idea to play her or L'end together!

kid, I know the format has much to gain, but nothing is stopping you from coming on and playing ppl you know. Come on over and play anytime!
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sun, 23 July 2006 17:19
HI all,

All french players may answer your questions dear TheKid and dear SKM.

Caniche Hanover (Rank 1) is Maria Sharapova too (Rank 18).
L'Endeuilleur and Caniche are good friends in real life.
Fedman Kassad is L'Endeuilleur's brother in real life.

L'Endeuilleur lost all his games versus Caniche until Caniche reaches Rank 1.
Then L'Endeuilleur won all his games versus Maria to reach Rank 2.

However, I think Fedman isn't cheating. The few I know about him makes me think he's honest.

This matter can be seen on french forum too. AT this link, u'll find some images attached. Good players could easily notice how maria and l'endeuilleur are cheating.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7832& start=0&rid=191054&S=8987724448a527be06fe4d5a7bcac05 5

Bye all
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Tue, 25 July 2006 00:07
TheKid

Love to see you on QN or Fist of Dragonstones.

Happy to play you, I hope SKM will verify my honesty
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sat, 29 July 2006 04:24
Sure! No bad experiences with you Gilbertosilva. Razz

I think the forum is a great place to verify who (and most of all who NOT) to play with. Cool
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Tue, 01 August 2006 07:47
Hi Skm,

As u suggested, I bought a new acces card. Try to come more often to QN eheh

Cya there.

Wiski

Gilbertosilva is a VERY good & honest opponent.
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Wed, 02 August 2006 16:36
Nice going wisikok!! It hurt me so to see you as a dreaded 'guest'. Wink

To kid - here are some players I have found by my experience to be honorable. Of course this doesn't include everyone who is honest and plays QN but just a few who I have played often and have had positive experiences with.

(If I have only played you once or twice you probably aren't on this list. These are in no particular order except probably current rank.)

Imotep
wiskikok
Krill
prisme
safetrip
gidel
Asha
Vero5
gatechfrog
pinedhuitre
Loup Noir
Gilbertosilva
Rolli13

Best,
SKM

[Updated on: Mon, 07 August 2006 19:56]

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Mon, 07 August 2006 15:49
SKMorefield schrieb am Wed, 02 August 2006 16:36

Imotep
wiskikok
Krill
prisme
safetrip
gidel
Asha
Vero5
gatechfrog
pinedhuitre
Loup Noir

Rolli13 Wink

I know Gilbert from First of Dragonstones. He is a real nice and good player Smile

PS: My new acces card will be send to me (with a new game) this week Smile

      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Mon, 07 August 2006 19:55
Yes, Rolli13 also. Razz

I am glad you are getting a webcard! Wink
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sun, 06 May 2007 19:08
In addition to Pat, who is still near the top of the rankings despite his cheating ways, add

lil_lilian

to the list of people to watch out for. Get a big lead on this one and he/she's likely to disappear.



      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Tue, 08 May 2007 19:49
It's a shame the old system with quietters isn't "on power" anymore... you should remember the discusiion, SKM... these guys may destroy the ranking list totally... unfortunately...

Greetings,

Rolli
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Thu, 24 May 2007 19:20
SKMorefield écrit le Sun, 06 May 2007 13:08

In addition to Pat, who is still near the top of the rankings despite his cheating ways...



Duh, look at the number of games I quit in the past year! You should maybe think before accusing someone of cheating.
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Wed, 06 June 2007 20:11
Sadly, I can also report on an extremely unpleasant experience with PatLaPatate. The first time that I ever see this guy, I simply state that I will not play him. He then goes nuts, gets verbally abusive with me, and refuses to leave me alone. I try to start a game and he sits and will not leave, despite me saying I will not play him. I try starting a new game with the title "NO PAT" and this does not deter the harassment. When I quit a game IMMEDIATELY after it starts because yet again he sits at my game knowing I will not play him, he rants on me for being a "quitter." He then leaves, changes his name, comes back and tries to play as a different name. When I do not fall for this, he acts like he has no idea what I am talking about and continues to berate me.

This guy seems like a total class act to me. Why shouldn't anyone want to play this treasure?
      
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Re: PatLaPatateLeDiableEnPersonne Sat, 09 June 2007 18:12
Why does this not surprise me. Shocked This thread, especially the top part of it, will serve as an enduring reminder of why nobody should ever play this 'gentleman'.

DoW, I know you won't do bots for QN, but is there a chance, ever, of getting some sort of karma system worked out?? That would improve the game immensely. Such a great game to have NO support...
      
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WATCH OUT FOR PatLaPatate Tue, 24 February 2009 20:03
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Re: PatLaPatate Tue, 24 February 2009 20:20
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