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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 00:54
Hi

@ Bassie AND ThadD

We need clarification of rules! It is a high probability for 14 teams.

In the english rules you divided it in a group of 6 and a group of 8, this is clearly an error:
14: (1,4,5,8,9,12) and (2,3,6,7,10,11,13,14), 11 weeks

I corrected this in the german rules to:
14: (1,4,5,8,9,12,13) and (2,3,6,7,10,11,14), 11 weeks
I think these are the correct numbers but it is possible to divide
14: (1,4,5,8,9,12,14) and (2,3,6,7,10,11,13), 11 weeks?

Which is the correct group allocation?

bye, erps

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 01:16
Hello everyone!

As you may know by now USA has a third team and we have been given permission to have Peter de Zeeuw (aka Pepe le Pew) on the team as he was a homeless dutchie wandering the streets of Rottendam looking for a home. In the reverse situation of Kotay, Peter had to pay US to accept him onto the team. We are not sure what we are going to do with all the canned vegtables but it was the only "currency" he claimed he had. Rolling Eyes

As you can see our team is 6 USA members and now the flying dutchman. We have received another request from a homeless player to be on our team and wanted to know if everyone was o.k. with it.

We are not trying to be world team or an international team!!

We are only trying to be the gracious hospitable hosts that everyone knows Americans to be. Smile (and Antarticans)

The Player who wishes to join is Pepetever. Baron has never met him or heard of him until now. His score is currently 1570 ranked 137.

We are ok welcoming A FEW of those with no other home who wish to take part in this tournament but also wish to only do so if it is acceptable to others. Time is short of course now so if you have a protest please speak now or forever hold your peace. After comments are in a decision will be made by the TD Baron assumes. Have spoken with TD and she asked to post this on here for now to get comments.

Remember, Baron loves you ALL just as much as you love Baron back Twisted Evil

Sincerely,

Baron Von Schmidt

[Updated on: Wed, 06 September 2006 01:17]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 01:35
Wow 14 Teams, this is really great!!!!

cheers
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 11:24
Here are the NON OFFICIAL group with ranking this morning:


GROUP A

1- Team 'ReTHINK' (10431pts / 1738.5 average)
4- FINg-ShUI (10301 / 1716.5)
5- GTS (10268 / 1711.3)
8- Orange (10011 / 1668.5)
9- Underdogs (10006 / 1667.7)
12- USA 3 (9571 / 1595.2)
13- Germany 4 (9450 / 1575)

GROUP B

2- Homeland Security (10412 / 1735)
3- Austria (10359 / 1726.5)
6- Red TGV (10263 / 1710.5)
7- OLE (10022 / 1670.3)
10- Preemptive Strike (9748 / 1624.7)
11- White TGV (9593 / 1599)
14- Spain (9405 / 1567.5)
15- DOW TEAM (NC)

Nice Group B with 3 semi-finalist of NC2005.
This could change until tonight. Let see the strategies of each team to adjust their ranking Twisted Evil
Nice tournament everybody.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 September 2006 11:26]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 12:03
Hi

I think we should have 16 teams Smile It's better because we have 8 teams each group

For everybody: I adjusted my tool for ranking. Here is the topical ranking calculated every hour and sorted by team ranking!! (NEW)!

http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/zugranking/rank ing.html

Pity, but the ~wannadoo players are not shown by correct name. There are a few teams with guests (not shown) and there is DOW (i have taken last years players so far).

Edit: Tool shows now correct added points of all teams and is calculated every 15 minutes!! Only today!! Smile


bye, erps

[Updated on: Wed, 06 September 2006 12:52]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 14:08
Hi

BTW: I don't think that 2 german teams should named "underdogs" even if it slightly differs. Wink

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 14:21
Thanks again erps! It is nice to see all the teams listed in one place.

BTW, I find it interesting that we have over 110 players signed up with 19 of top 20 and 70 of top 100.

This will be a great tourney!
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 14:58
tprail wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 08:21

Thanks again erps! It is nice to see all the teams listed in one place.

BTW, I find it interesting that we have over 110 players signed up with 19 of top 20 and 70 of top 100.

This will be a great tourney!



I agree! This exceeds any possible expectation I had, and I cannot see how it could have been any better in terms of participation. The winner will indeed have some serious bragging rights, and, thanks to DoW, a prize also! Smile
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 15:12
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tprail schrieb am Wed, 06 September 2006 14:21

with 19 of top 20


Who is it? Who is the only one not participating? A second account? A cheater? A ticket fiend? Fishy!! It's a nonconformist!! Time for the secret service!!

Just kidding Rolling Eyes

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 15:40
erps wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 09:12

Hi
tprail schrieb am Wed, 06 September 2006 14:21

with 19 of top 20


Who is it? Who is the only one not participating? A second account? A cheater? A ticket fiend? Fishy!! It's a nonconformist!! Time for the secret service!!

Just kidding Rolling Eyes

bye, erps



The missing player is ... Marcelinho (currently 13th, maybe that's why).
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 16:34
Cool

Most of the teams are trying to improve their rating. I think we have interesting 7 hours till the deadline Smile Groups are the best invention in NC this year... It gives you the feeling of a qualifying for pole position Cool

It's a struggle between

1 and 2

5 and 6

7, 8 and 9

11 and 12

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 22:30
@erps: Deadline is 11:00 PM GMT. I used GMT maybe only once or twice in the rules, but it counts for all of the times mentioned. Ergo, 12:00 PM CET. Just to make sure you got it right.

@franck: That will be tough, but then hey, the TD can rule. Smile What you can try is make a deal with your opponent of that round + the TD to play it later, for example at the beginning of the week after, or earlier, at the end of the week before. That should be possible. But it doesn't seem easy to me to change the rules so you are in the 7-teams group and have a week off during Essen. But if the TD can arrange it, it would be wonderful because I understand your point.

cu, bas
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 22:48
OH NO!!!

bassie i have to do this manually!! And 11 GMT is NOW 1 am CEST, that is toooo late!!

I stated in the german rules CET because it seems logical...

WORKAROUND FOR SERVER DOWN:

It's a pita, but it works. I create the website manually and move it to shamogis webserver. Look at:

http://www.shamogi.de/ranking.html

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 23:05
is the TD here? because it could be a problem. I would do it this way: erps, note the order we have now. If the TD doesn't come up with an alternative order as of 11 PM GMT then we keep it this way.

OK? it's her decision anyway, I'm just a player Smile
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Wed, 06 September 2006 23:24
Ok,
I will do the last update at 12 pm CEST (it's 10 pm GMT). It's up to the TD to decide if this is valid.

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 00:18
I hope just that both equipes of France will not be in the same group, or the 3 teams of the USA... one would have to look at that in the distribution!
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 00:59
RFAD - Saint-Emilion wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 18:18

I hope just that both equipes of France will not be in the same group, or the 3 teams of the USA... one would have to look at that in the distribution!


I agree, RFAD. There needs to be some TD discretion to make sure that the larger countries have a team in each group.
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 01:18
Sorry, RFAD and SKM, but I disagree...
You can't announce that now... There are rules ! Just follow them...
Playing against a French, German or American... where is the difference ? Only the final victory counts !

Only my .0000002 Wink Very Happy
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 01:28
Completely agree with Elric. As it is now the 3 US teams would be in separate groups. I wish they were all in the same group. It would be fun to play all the guys we play regularly when it counts. Would love to thrash the Baron with it on the line.

Also as for DOW's request to move to the odd group, I say no. You would in effect be switching a 13 seed with a 15. I'll try to put this as nicely as I can, you DOW guys are good at your job and I'll leave it at that. What you would also do is be effecting the #1 rankings for the semifinals as the #1 overall gets to choose, as it gives the other teams lets just say an almost sure win in a group of 7 you have 6 battling for 4 spots. With them on the even side, you have a more competitive 7 vying for 4 spots in both groups. Also it is not said with an odd numer of teams, say in the semifinals, is 6-1 better than 5-1? 7-0 etter than 6-0? That has to be decided.

[Updated on: Thu, 07 September 2006 01:30]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 01:37
Hi,

Sorry, had a very busy day today, so wasn't able to check anything what was going on. I will need another couple hours to get back to the computer, so please be patient.
I will check out tonight the groups, you can already start to send in the lineup, if you know the ranking of your team, you can already check in which group you will be. I will make the groups like there are written in the rules, so if the same nations teams will be together, tant pis. It will take too much time to seperate...

edit: DoW will be the #15 slot, but the week, they will be away, they will get another schedule to play (their opponent should be Catalunya). i will get back to this!

Sorry for not being availible today, but that's life!

thad

[Updated on: Thu, 07 September 2006 07:51]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 01:44
Sorry to disagree early thadd, but I believe that this is a mistake with regards to DOw. Their rankings are so disproportionately weak compared to the rest of the teams you are overweighting one group while underweighting the other significantly.

I have a suggestion.

Let DOW play in the group of 8, if they make the top 4 great for them. If they do not, do not have their games counted in the rankings for the #1 seeds. This would make everbody be playing a competitve 6 games apiece.

Also this is a change of the official rules at the last minute and we would have played it differently had we known this. I for one was comfortale in the #2 slot. With this we would have pushed heavily to get the #1.

As I stated above you would be switching a 13 seed with a 15 and the ELO difference between those 2 teams is 249. And the difference between the 14 and 15 is 240, so it is really underweighting the one group if you do it. With them in the group of 8 you have 7 competitive teams in each group. It's not the best option to have them forfeit a week but they could piece together a team and play a few or have them double up. Like last year it is doubtful they will win a match anyway.

[Updated on: Thu, 07 September 2006 01:51]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 01:59
the problem is the same last years : if they are 2 team in a country, they play in the first match.... thus one avoids any arrangement or suspicion of arrangement between these two teams
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 03:08
I can see kid's points in this also. I am fine whichever way is decided, and it appears it will be the former.

And kid, give DoW some love my friend. Very Happy I'm sure the main reason some of them are ranked low is because they are too busy working on other things to play TTR consistently and observe tops, but with some observing and experience, it is definitely possible to pull an upset in a best of 5. They won several matches last year I think, and one clash if I recall correctly.

Plus, I'm sure everyone thinks it's just awesome that they would care enough about the online community to participate in this and even to offer prizes.

So, props to the boys at DoW, even though they haven't answered anything in the suggestions box in months. Wink


Best,
SKM

[Updated on: Thu, 07 September 2006 03:29]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 03:32
People had months to discuss this and they said there would be no last minute changes. It would be wrong to do so.
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 03:40
People had months to discuss this and they said there would be no last minute changes. It would be wrong to do so.

Here are the rules:

Nations Cup 2006 - rules Fri, 07 July 2006 18:49

In this thread follows a description of the rules regarding Nations Cup 2006 (NC 06). Everyone joining NC 06 is expected to know these rules and abide them during the tournament, especially the captains of the participating teams. The rules are finalised AS OF AUGUST 25TH. Any addition or problem ARISING AFTER THIS DATE that cannot be solved by applying this document will be decided UPON UNDER THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE TD (THADD). SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO CAST VOTES AMONG THE CAPTAINS IN ORDER TO DO A RULING.


Here are the rules. This is not a problem or addition that cannot be solved by applying this document. It is clear. Seeding is explained below and does not fall under TD discretion.

Any change is against the rules. Where are all of those the rules are final people. Why they disappear?

Lastly what would have happened had there been an even number of teams? Guess what they would have found a way to play.

[Updated on: Thu, 07 September 2006 03:47]

      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 04:23
I will give one last suggestion cause I am always full of brilliant ideas. Give DOW a bye that week with another team. Take your pick, make it us for all I care. Have those games set for the bye week at the end of the tourney to be played only if it matters.

Still not answered is 5-1 better than 5-2, doesn't look much better expecially if DOW is on the 5-1 side. Best solution would be add another team but barring that is to have DOW in the group of 8 and exclude their games for that ranking. Then you have an even 6 competitive games.
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 07:55
Please, go and check the Organisational Thread regularly, all important messages will be updated in the first post of TD-NC2006.

The group determination is posted, same for the opponents of the 1st round. Next will be the lineups.

And please send the lineups not to thadd but to the TD - account (TD-NC2006). This is important in case that I won't be availible!!!! Spudamon has access to this account and we will share the work.


So, if there are any mistakes let me know.




      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 10:47
Hi

The rules are clear, no distribution of country teams to the groups. We now have 4 (!) german teams in the first group, it's a pity but you have to face it. I don't think we will have any "cheating" in this, i thought it myself last year, but was proofed that every team wants the best and was fighting till the last round. I would bite my leg off rather than letting Mudda or Rolli13 reach the next round Smile

I propose to postpone the DOW-in-Essen-round to the free week between Round Robin and Knock-Out... As they play spain they can probably play this during Knock-Out Twisted Evil

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 12:46
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thekid schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 04:23


Still not answered is 5-1 better than 5-2, doesn't look much better expecially if DOW is on the 5-1 side. Best solution would be add another team but barring that is to have DOW in the group of 8 and exclude their games for that ranking. Then you have an even 6 competitive games.


Yop, in the 8 team group only the games between the first seven team count for KO-setting is best solution and used in many sports...

bye, erps
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 13:06
erps schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 10:47

I would bite my leg off rather than letting Mudda or Rolli13 reach the next round Smile


...thx to a pretty good promotion all over the world players will watch erps games vs the so called underdog teams and force him to listen to his heartbeat, makin obvious mistakes versus the 14xx players... u will hear every step of ur pussy cat during the games, i sware!!! WE WILL REMIND U! Twisted Evil

Last informations declare that 5 european teams like to see the self inscened top favourite fall deeply to the ground Very Happy in round 1 - guess who !?!

I BET U WILL!


And i think that exactly with this moment the often mentioned "trash-talk-war-series" are starting! WELCOME RE-THINK! Mad

For me, the GTS-team and the rest of the "full of hope" - players...

MAY BOSTON-MIAMI BE WITH YOU!!! Laughing

GTS Mudda
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 13:26
GTS Mudda schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 13:06


...will hear every step of ur pussy cat during the games, i sware!!! WE WILL REMIND U!


sware? i think you meant spare Very Happy

GTS Mudda schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 13:06

For me, the GTS-team and the rest of the "full of hope" - players...


Is Maia pregnant yet??? Or some austrian women you visited lately? Twisted Evil Man, you are quick!

GTS Mudda schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 13:06


MAY BOSTON-MIAMI BE WITH YOU!!! Laughing


Tsts. A lot of redundancy! It's

MAYAMI-BOSTON BE WITH YOU!

GTS? German Trash Speaker?

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 13:51
SKMorefield schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 03:08


And kid, give DoW some love my friend. Very Happy I'm sure the main reason some of them are ranked low is because they are too busy working on other things to play TTR consistently and observe tops, but with some observing and experience, it is definitely possible to pull an upset in a best of 5. They won several matches last year I think, and one clash if I recall correctly.

Plus, I'm sure everyone thinks it's just awesome that they would care enough about the online community to participate in this and even to offer prizes.

So, props to the boys at DoW, even though they haven't answered anything in the suggestions box in months. Wink


Best,
SKM


I totally agree with this !!!
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 14:24
Fouyaya...
Didn't want to start such a mess, sorry... Embarassed

I should have noticed this way before yesterday...
but we currently live on a day to day basis Rolling Eyes

Let's stick to the rules (that's what they are for after all)...
We'll find a way to manage this when time comes...

Good tournament to all!


      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 17:46
erps schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 13:26



GTS? German Trash Speaker?



Yeah right... anyway i have enough time for trashing cause i finished studying @ university 2 years ago L Laughing O Laughing L
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 23:02
it's possible to have schedudle for all Nation Cup or not ?

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 23:33
RFAD - Saint-Emilion schrieb am Thu, 07 September 2006 23:02

it's possible to have schedudle for all Nation Cup or not ?

thank you,


The deadline for the first lineup is at 11 pm GMT, thats 1:00 CET (summertime...*sigh) Wink

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Thu, 07 September 2006 23:36
not the first game but all the game :

Week 1 : White TGV - Homeland Security,
Week 2 : White TGV - Red TGV,
etc...
      
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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Fri, 08 September 2006 00:02
Hi

Shamogi will do this for all weeks

http://www.shamogi.de/nc06/

But he needs a little time, maybe tomorrow!

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Re:Nations Cup 2006 - discussion Fri, 08 September 2006 16:04
LOL

Have you seen the new game from DOW?

Battlelore

For a hardcore fantasy gamer like me sounds interesting Wink Now i know what i am requesting after ReTHINK win of NC2. And i want the whole series!! Wink

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Re:Nation Cup sponsoring Wed, 13 September 2006 00:29
Elric - Sancerre écrit le Fri, 01 September 2006 15:09

Franck écrit le Tue, 22 August 2006 09:50

Hi everyone

Days of Wonder will sponsor the Nation Cup 2006 by offering prizes to the winners.

Note that we hope that the tournament plays flawless: fairplay and courtesy should always be in the players' minds...

In these conditions, we will be offering:
- a game of their choice to each member of the winning team
- A Ticket to Ride PC game to each member of the 2nd team

Party on!

--
The DoW Team

Salut Franck ! Hi DoW Team !

Sorry, I'm a little late to answer, but not too late, I hope Rolling Eyes
Very happy to see that DOW consider our (very) little community of "top players" (or something like that) with so benevolence, and it's a very very good thing that you decided to sponsor this Tournament... and the prizes are very cool Thumbs Up

Well... if you could consider that we, the Red TGV, winners of the first Nations' Cup, deserve to also have a prize (even very little, even tiny)... it would be a good and fair thing, too Smile

Elric,
"Red TGV" Captain !
(and sorry for my limitated english !)

Hello DoW Team Smile

Sorry to disturb you again with our situations (to my teammates and I), but you didn't reply after my previous post...

If ever you could consider us.... thank you in advance for your answer Smile

Elric.
      
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