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Goan
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Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 17:19
Back to 'normal' discussions.

Some people always complain about their tickets. Are they really so bad ? Which are the worse combi of 3 initial tickets you can get ? And which two (or three) you will keep then ?

The other day I have been dealt SE-NY, SF-ATL, BOS-MIA. Pretty bad, but I think we can think of worse combi's. Question to you all: Name your top-3 nightmare initial 3-tickets.

I refer to the USA-Map for 2 players of course.

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 18:44
personally i hate the small ones and hope to avoid miami as much as possible. your example of SE-NY, SF-ATL, and BOS-MIA isn't so bad... a gift I would gladly accept with some of the tics I've pulled in games. There I would take SE-NY and SF-ATL... doable in a good variety of ways, a good shot at longest, and good 6's available.

My worst nightmare would be a low/east split like DEN-ELP, BOS-MIA, and MTL-ATL. I would probably drop BOS-MIA and pull tics on my first turn hoping for a western route to play long through the middle, or get a long east/west and go long through the north first before attempting to link in the smaller routes.

That would be 2p of course... on a multi I might actually take MTL-ATL and BOS-MIAMI and try to build them quick before pulling another set of tics, and trying to get some 6's, probably through the north.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 19:00
Hi
In my opinion the worst combo is :
Portland-Nashville
Boston-Miami
Vancouver-SantaFe

I would take Portland-Nashville and Vancouver-SantaFe .
You always get problems with longest.
Mostly you need Po-Sea somestimes Sea-Van too.
If your opponent plays normal, he/she would beat you
with every combo Confused

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 19:13
Any 15-point or less combination is fine since it gives flexbility of choices, so we have to look for middle/big tickets. Not too big, though. With Goans combination I take Sea-NY and another and know that I might be able to win without longest. I am not afraid to be blocked. Fear is the worst advisor and mostly my opponent has a plan of his own anyway.

I would get more worries from Chi-NO instead of Sea-NY, so Chi-NO, SFr-Atl, and Bos-Mia. I will take the first two, without hope.

This topic was discussed before, btw, but it is never too late to get fresh ideas...
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 19:52
I'm not as good as analyzing routes as many of you but it seems to me that this would be a worst choice. If it's not somehow I'd LOVE advice and explanations.

La-Miami
Sea-NY
Winn-Houston

Also in the first choice Bassie mentioned Chi-New Orleans would be worse than Sea-NY but wouldn't Chi-Sante Fe be even worse than that? If not, again please help a poor analyzer understand. Smile


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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 20:04
hi

for me the worst combo is them same as the worst one of adriano. vancouver-santa fe, boston-miami and portland-nashville. I've never won with this combo yet.
When I get La-Miami, winnipeg-houston and seattle-new york I would take La-Miami and winnipeg-houston. With a bit luck you can this one win easy.

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 20:09
Joli,

the route for what you say would be the six black, with 5 white to head up I am assuming.

Which luck do you need and what different ways would you build this depending on your colors and which routes are vital to take first?

Would be nice to share ideas also Smile

Baron

or and I assume if the third was Win - Lr you take the Sea-Ny with that one yes?

[Updated on: Mon, 18 December 2006 20:09]

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 23:32
Tough question. I've had several horrible combos, but I think the worst is:

Bos-Mia, Sf-Atl, Van-Stf... No way to complete any of them without taking short tracks. All are quite big tickets. Against a good player winning with that combo is a miracle, no matter which 2 tickets you choose to keep.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 18 December 2006 23:49
No, with La-miami and winnipeg-houston I would take 6 red, 2 grey, 6 green, 6 black, 3 purple, 5 white/orange, 3 purple, 4 blue and if it's possible also the 6 grey.. I you take 5 white phoe-denver you need 10 green and that's nearly impossible...
but this is only possible if your opponent doesn't take 6 green and that's why I call it luck. you are lucky with these tix if your opponent has some tix in the north or somewhere else where he doesn't block you.
actually I really like the combo sea-ny and winnipeg-little, I always take this one if it's possible. you can go down on the right or left side to little rock, depends on what your opponent does. I prefer going down on the left side..

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 19 December 2006 08:33
Hi,

my worst ticket-kombi ist Boston-Miami, Dallas-NY and then one of the small tickets like Kansas Houston, Denver-ElPaso or Helena LA..., so you are forced to keep the first two!! Sad

I never won with Boston-Miami and Dallas NY!!!

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 22 February 2007 20:19
Old thread, but I just noticed it.

Those who are arguing that the worst is Sea-NY and two other incompatible 12-pointers are wrong. With a big, generally excellent ticket like Sea-NY, you make that ticket and forget about the other, and you are still at +10 on tix, with a very solid shot to get longest and a lot of 6-ers. Of course, it's better to combine Sea-NY with something else easily makeable (of course Van-Mon or Cal-SLC), or failing that, with a small ticket that's easier to give up (KC-Hou), but even with a 12 point ticket that you have to give up, Sea-NY is not too bad.

Worst is when you DON'T have a good ticket as your core holding. SF-Atl, Dal-NY, Bos-Mia, Van-SF are all big tix that can't easily be ignored, but require playing many small tix to make.

Probably the worst would be something like Van-SF, KC-Hou, Bos-Mia, but perhaps if I thought harder I'd come up with something even worse.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 22 February 2007 22:58
la-mia and win hou is graet!
6 black 6 orange, if someone drops 6 orange than via atl, no question of needing 10 of a colour. when he drops 6 green he always wants to come up and needs red to come up. a winner combi.

bo-mia is the looser:
either 11 black or 7 green and 10 red - drop it and take the longest.

sea- ny for me is horrible, you have to make it and loose the longest in about pitt.

street

[Updated on: Thu, 22 February 2007 23:12]

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Fri, 23 February 2007 06:54
I can't believe some of you don't like Sea-NY, to me, its one of the best tickets! Its pretty rare I'll throw that one away.

As to worst 3:

Van-SFE
Bos-NY
any middle route (Win-Hou, Hou-KC, Dul-Hou, etc)

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Fri, 23 February 2007 17:07
Wildfire2099 wrote on Thu, 22 February 2007 23:54

[snip]

As to worst 3:

Van-SFE
Bos-NY
any middle route (Win-Hou, Hou-KC, Dul-Hou, etc)




Wildfire - now you're the one talkin' crazy...

Middle routes can be QUITE nice. Hou-KC not so much. But Dul-Hou, Win-Hou are both pretty solid. They allow you to start up top, grab the oranges and one or two of the other 6-ers. Hopefully you can interfere with your opp's route, AND give you lots of points. Then work your way down and try to get longest in the process. The downside is that the best route typically takes 10 green (Helena-Den, EP-Hou), which is tough to do. But there are multiple alternatives.

In particular, if you get some combination of two decent middle tix (Hou-Dul, Hou-Winn, LR-Winn, Den-EP, EP-Dul), they play together very nicely.

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Fri, 23 February 2007 17:11
It's difficult to talk entirely in generalities, because any bad ticket can be made better in combination with 1-2 other complimentary tix. That's why the thread started off being about tix that are not complimentary to each other.

That said, looking at things in isolation (i.e. which tix tend to pair poorly with other tix), for US 2 player, I'd rank the worst as roughly:

1) Bos-Mia
2) Dal-NY
3) SF-Atl
4) Van-Santa Fe
5) NY-Atl
6) Chi-SF
7) Chi-NO
8) KC-Hou
9) Tor-Mia
10) Port-Nash

[Updated on: Fri, 23 February 2007 17:12]

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 26 February 2007 04:15
I just realized Wildfire was probably talking about the combination of Van-SF and Bos-Mia and a middle ticket being a bad combo, not that middle tickets in and of themselves are so bad.

I agree generally, but Van-SF and Hou-Winn or Hou-Dul would be not TOO awful.

I just played against tprail and he had Van-SF, Dal-NY, Bos-Mia (keeping latter 2). Pretty bad...
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 26 February 2007 06:08
I agree totally that two middle routes, or one with a west coast route, are great.. its having three spead out tickets that all involve crappy routes I don't like


Edit: I see Psteinx misunderstood at first, so I guess this clarification is no longer needed, ah well.

[Updated on: Mon, 26 February 2007 06:09]

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Wed, 28 February 2007 14:01
one bad combo i had today:

- SF-Atlanta
- Boston-Miami
- Calgary-Phoenix


so agree with Pacmon (Cal-Phoe vs Van-SFe)

[Updated on: Wed, 28 February 2007 14:04]

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Wed, 28 February 2007 14:45
yesterday i got Portland-Phoenix, Montreal-Atlanta and Dallas-NY.
not nice Frown
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 08 May 2007 01:21
Yesterday, I got ks-ho and chic-newO ....

of course too bad to win Laughing Laughing Laughing

worst tix, i ever drop if possible...

1) da-ny
2) sf-at
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 08 May 2007 22:05
I had SF-Atl, Bos- Mia, Dal - NY TWICE in a row the other day...

definately a record for me for worst tix.

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Sat, 19 May 2007 12:08
Today I got Cal-SLC, NY-Atl, and CHI-New Orleans.

Dropped the third of course.

2 orange, 3 yellow, 1 purple, and 2 locos when my opponent (who played quite well of course) dropped the six orange, then six yellow.

Sea-NY and Van Sante Fe. Guess who won by 40?

She was tricky and even though I had started to block off NY acted like she really needed Nash or Atl, so I screwed up and missed blocking it off.

As I said, well played by my esteemed opponent as I blocked port.

Baron
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 11 February 2008 04:00
Ok, a really old thread, but I had the urge to share my desesperation when I saw my choices today:

SF-AT
VA-Sante FE
Bo-Mi

Can anything beat that combination?

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Mon, 11 February 2008 14:10
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 12 February 2008 03:24
hey Thadd, i think it was already pacmon's idea

We have the winner i think
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 12 February 2008 21:07
The loser you mean...
And it wasn't just an idea, but reality which turned into a nightmare.

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 03 July 2008 07:45
I realize this a very stale thread, but I think this horror story may top them all. My initial tickets were: Van-SF, KC-Hou, and Dal-NY. I kept Van-SF and KC-Hou with the idea that I would ignore KC-Hou. I realize that's probably no worse a hand than the ones everyone else has described, but there are a couple of twists which elevate this one into its own special category -- including an ironic twist ending almost as good as the one in "The Sixth Sense."

Here's the first twist. Figuring 8 pts in completed tickets wouldn't be enough to win the game, I did something I absolutely never do. I drew tickets on my first turn, figuring maybe I'd get another west coast ticket or two. Instead I got Bos-Mia, Chi-No, and Den-El. How's that for a 6-ticket combination?

I ended up keeping Den-El, since it at least qualified as a west coast route & I figured it would off-set the points I was prepared to lose on KC-Hou. Now here's the ironic ending. My opponent ended up with LA-Chi and LA-NY. I blocked him out of LA and won the game. As I was doing so, he went into a tirade and started cursing at me for being a [bip]. The moral to the story is: if you are somehow fortunate enough to win a game after drawing the 6 worst tickets in the history of TTR, the reward for doing so is to have your opponent curse at you.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 03 July 2008 22:29
Dal-NY and Van-Sfe at first glance look horrible, but you can make it in 9 turns, yes you need a little luck in doing so, and after that you can put a 6 on the 10th and if going first you might get an 11th turn for a 5. Also you have drawing opportunities of Van-Mon, Dul-Elp, Den-Elp or if you go the other way could have den-pit instead of van-mon.

If erps still has his saved games on his site I believe the title was the battle for #1, something like that. It was me vs. womble and the first time I ever got that combo and I had a drawing chance for the win, a much better scenario than I could have expected at first glance at the tix.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 03 July 2008 23:00
I just had this combo today (Van-SF, KC-Hou, Dal-NY). I dropped the latter, connected Van-SF but not KC-Hou, finished reasonably quickly and won.

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Sun, 06 July 2008 07:29
I also realize that this is an old thread, but I have had several bad combos before, (van-sfe, bos-mia, chi-no or bos-mia, van-sfe, la-ny or bos-mia, van-sfe, san-atl, etc.) However what makes these and others listed miserable, is when you decide to keep van-sfe as one of your tickets, and possibly give up on the small second, is when your opponent has calg-phx, sea-la, and either port-phx or calg-slc, making it practically impossible to win unless your blocking skills are impeccable.
That being said, any 3 tickets can be a winning combo if you play your opponent and not your tix....meaning if you know that your opponent does not block often and you feel you are fairly strong at blocking, use it to your advantage, or if you know you r opponent always will play for longest, make it more difficult...but when you are dealt crappy tix, change your typical strategy.
That being said as well, everyone knows that I don't always listen to my own advice that I just posted, but I think about my advice and that of others Smile However, with the above comments, I might also have to say the worst combo in many ways can be that of la-mia, sea-ny, and la-ny, especially in playing against top players or those who enjoy blocking. You have no ticket you can forget, and not one of them is easily completed with the first choice, regardless of whichever you choose. That being said, many have put sanf-atl as one of the worst tix as well, but it can be decent if combined with la-mia or some others, but is definitely easy to block.
Thus, my long-winded reply is that regardlessof how bad your 3 tix are, no matter what you are playing your opponent to win, and in order to do that you must out think them...it isn't always due to luck, colors, locos, who is first, tix...even though they all help, if you out play your opponent in some small way, often you can win... even with a horrible starting combo.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

P.S. I know I am not the expert, so those of you that disagree, post remarks, suggestions, etc....also, those of you that are new..don't listen to me..as I am not a seasoned veteran like many here on TTR
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Wed, 30 July 2008 17:42
All tickets are good they all give you points right Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Wed, 30 July 2008 21:34
psteinx wrote on Fri, 04 July 2008 00:00

I just had this combo today (Van-SF, KC-Hou, Dal-NY). I dropped the latter, connected Van-SF but not KC-Hou, finished reasonably quickly and won.


Also works with playing like Dul-hou and Van-santa style:

6 green + elp-santa+santa-denver+ 4 purple + omaha-dul+

Then connect to Van with north 6s and last turn one wagon to kansas.

Elp to Den can also be played with 5 white.


I think worst combo is bo-mi, dal-ny and kan-hou.

I would keep 2 first and hope that i can make bluff from La or block opponent.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Tue, 26 August 2008 01:53
The other day, I had :

+ LA - NY
+ Van - SFe
+ Tor - Mia

What to do with those ?

      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 05:09
those tics are exellent take la ny and toronto miami
and take the long loop up and then go down to miami
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 08:19
The tix are far from excellent, and if you can manage to go up from LA to Seattle or Helena, then over to NY, then down to Miami without serious trouble, then your opponent must be sleeping and/or have accidentally drawn not to 44 cards but perhaps to 54 or 64.

That said, the tix are certainly not the worst. A more likely route is LA-Mia-NY with a spur to Tor. You're probably going to lose more often than not to a player of about equal skill level, but you've got a chance, especially if you combine some version of going first, good colors (especially blacks), locos, and/or a bad tix combo for your opponent...

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 11:17
well.. i once had

Duluth-Houston
Lisbon-Danzig
Geneva-Bern

for my opening tix...... !

mind you, I was smoking some wierd stuff at the time... Rolling Eyes

ps. I came last in that multi Very Happy
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 13:00
Phil,

In that game, first move by opponent : Hou-EP with less than 30 cards Sad

I know this ain't so bad. We already found the worse of the worse. So I think we should concentrate simply bad combinations. I am sure the North American map provides a lot of them. The title of the thread fits that objective well enough.

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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 17:50
GB-Robin Hood wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 12:17

well.. i once had

Duluth-Houston
Lisbon-Danzig
Geneva-Bern

for my opening tix...... !

mind you, I was smoking some wierd stuff at the time... Rolling Eyes

ps. I came last in that multi Very Happy


I agree, those are hard, but i give a tip how to do it:

Start with 6 green and continue with paris-frank, then make straight track to bern via lausanne, you can also continue to pal-smyr, if you have time.
      
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Re:Which initial 3 Tickets you certainly do not want ? Thu, 28 August 2008 19:55
Kolmo - for an LA-Mia route, the 6 greens aren't all that important. Yes, the best way, if you can do it, is the 3 southern 6ers, plus Hou-NO. But 6 black, 5 yellow, 2 gray, 3 green, 6 red is not much worse.

Again, trying to go LA-(Sea or Helena)-NY-Mia is, IMO, pretty unrealistic. You might pull it off every now and then, but I think it's a lower percentage play than going by the southern route. Funky colors/locos might guide some variation in the route, too.
      
    
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