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Pawnstar
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Reference Sheet Wed, 27 December 2006 21:35
A single reference sheet per player would be nice instead of the umpteen reference cards included.

Has anybody created a decent one?

Before you say it, I saw the scan of the cards at BGG but just wondered if anybody had something better laid out that perhaps includes terrain?
      
natybumpkin3
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 02:58
RIGHT ON!
I prefer a common chart to refer to when playing a game, as much of our board gaming is on a card table or "kitchen" table with limited space. Having a dozen or so, cards at the edge of the table kind of limits our dice rolling area! And when introducing a new game to a "budding" player, all of these cards lining the edge of a small space, will tend to intimedate him into believing that this is a game of great complexities! (especialy if he's not into medieval/fantasy type games)
Granted, after one or two games, you don't need these cards at all! But we do need the space!
natybumpkin3
      
Gilberreke
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 03:13
I'm going to create one soon...

And post it here when I do of course.
      
natybumpkin3
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 03:16
ALL RIGHT!! Now we'er gett'in somewhere! Can't wait to see it!
natybumpkin3
      
AlvinS
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 04:15
My solution was to buy card storage sheets that collectors use for Baseball cards and such. You can put 9 cards in each sheet. I make one set (2 sheets) for each player.

Not as nice a reference sheet like the one in C&C Ancients but it works.
      
eldurand
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 05:11
That is a very simple yet elegant idea AlvinS. I think I will "borrow" it. Very Happy
      
cutpurse
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Re:Reference Sheet Thu, 28 December 2006 05:50
You know, I was just going to point something like this out after I finished my very first game of BL tonight. Whomever makes a good reference sheet will get nothing but love from me. I'll get that ish laminated right quick.
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 12:58
Well, I don't know if it's good, but it's at:
http://aramis.angeltowns.com/BL/BL_Ref.pdf
Right-Click (windows, *ix) or option-click (mac) to download, click to display.

Color, 4 pages. Acrobat PDF Format (Acrobat Reader Required).

You could, with a decent printer, print it out in miniature using 2-up, and make a single double-sided sheet of it, but the print gets a bit small.

WOW there is a lot of data in this game.
      
Faithful
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 14:12
AK_Aramis wrote on Fri, 29 December 2006 06:58

Well, I don't know if it's good, but it's at:
http://aramis.angeltowns.com/BL/BL_Ref.pdf
Right-Click (windows, *ix) or option-click (mac) to download, click to display.

Color, 4 pages. Acrobat PDF Format (Acrobat Reader Required).

You could, with a decent printer, print it out in miniature using 2-up, and make a single double-sided sheet of it, but the print gets a bit small.

WOW there is a lot of data in this game.


That is a lot of work, thank you very much.

I only have a couple of questions though.

1. Green, Blue and Red movement. You show units as unable to move without attacking. Can’t any unit move a given number of hexes to simply move along the board and never attack? Unless I am not reading your chart correctly.

2. The heading Monsters. Are they called Monsters or Creatures? I do not have a manual near at the moment to know.

Thanks for everything. I plan on printing them out two-sided and taking them to staples and have them laminated.
      
Yves Van Herp
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 15:08
AK_Aramis wrote on Fri, 29 December 2006 06:58

Well, I don't know if it's good, but it's at:
http://aramis.angeltowns.com/BL/BL_Ref.pdf
Right-Click (windows, *ix) or option-click (mac) to download, click to display.

Color, 4 pages. Acrobat PDF Format (Acrobat Reader Required).

You could, with a decent printer, print it out in miniature using 2-up, and make a single double-sided sheet of it, but the print gets a bit small.

WOW there is a lot of data in this game.


You sure did a lot of work! I'm certainly going to print and laminate it! Fantastic work!

Thanks from all of us!
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 16:46
Yves: don't laminate until V1.1 with the Elemental stats. Y'see, I don't have one to get the stats from. I need to correct a heading from Monsters to Creatures.

And, since I don't have a credit card, even being a yankee over a thousand miles away fron the nearest gaming con of note, I can't order the elemental. DoW don't take Paypal....
      
DarkPadawan
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 17:03
AK-Aramis, that's a fantastic piece of work.
One remark from my side:

On the first page, under Morale->Blocked->Effects: "If obstacle is unit, unit also takes 1 Hit (not 1D) per hex."

Dark.
      
Yves Van Herp
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 17:11
OK, AK!

I'll wait with the laminating process. I hope you'll get the "Elemental" soon, in "little Belgium" it was no problem whatsoever!

Have a happy 2007!

Günter (aka Yves Van Herp)
      
Gilberreke
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 17:44
Nice!

I'll do my own somewhere next week I think. I want to create more of a reference than a quick rulebook...
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 21:27
DarkPadawan wrote on Fri, 29 December 2006 07:03

AK-Aramis, that's a fantastic piece of work.
One remark from my side:

On the first page, under Morale->Blocked->Effects: "If obstacle is unit, unit also takes 1 Hit (not 1D) per hex."

Dark.


Look on the weapons table (top of same page) entry fro trampled by creature... I worded it the way I did to reflect that it does critical hits to creatures directly.

      
ArturoG
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Re:Reference Sheet Fri, 29 December 2006 21:47

In the sheet it says that Short-Bow range is 3. Shouldn't be 4?

I still prefer the reference cards. We are skipping the ones we are already remembering, more or less at the same pace we are adding new ones with new rules. Thus, we never have more than 3 to 5 cards on the table. But I know it is a matter of taste Wink
      
Yves Van Herp
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Re:Reference Sheet Sat, 30 December 2006 00:01
I do have to say that my wife and myself DO like a reference sheet VERY much: you always have everything close to you! We really do appreciate this! Razz
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Sat, 30 December 2006 10:04
Should be a 4 on the Common Bow. I'll post a 1.1 tomorrow. Thanks. It was an M44 moment...
      
bthermans
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Re:Reference Sheet Sat, 30 December 2006 17:13
I would make the common bow range 1-4 (in accordance with 2-3 of the crossbow).

And frightened levels dont stack: If you use a lore card that makes a unit frightened it still only retreats 2 hexes per flag and not 3 according to the faq in the lorecards compendium.

And the unofficial faq uses frightened(2) and higher, so it states the number of hexes you should retreat. I think that is better (more logical) and it also gives the interesting frightened(1) option where you still only retreat 1 hex but have to check for losses.

Nice work overall!

Bart
      
Marbot
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Re:Reference Sheet Sat, 30 December 2006 18:50
Thanks AK-Aramis!! The QRS looks great! I'm going to print it on card. I had some thing similar, but written on A4 in pen.I always like to summarise new rules, especially if they don't include a quick reference sheet.
Marbot
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Sun, 31 December 2006 07:05
Gentlebeings:

1.1 is up on my site. Same url as before.

1.2 will get the "1-" on common bow. Not doing it tonight!

A request: Don't repost it elsewhere; deep link to it freely, however.

This allows me to take it off the net if I need to. (I doubt I will, but just in case....)

It also allows easier updating.
      
Pawnstar
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  Re:Reference Sheet Tue, 02 January 2007 10:26
Thank you for this AK, it's just what this game needs.
      
Kaivosmies
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Re:Reference Sheet Tue, 02 January 2007 10:55
Great job fellas.
      
AK_Aramis
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Re:Reference Sheet Tue, 02 January 2007 11:58
Y'all are most welcome!
      
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Re:Reference Sheet Sun, 07 January 2007 15:36
A number of player aids have now been developed - all are good and I applaud all the extra effort - but IMHO this one is clearly the best. Well done!

I wonder though, if there is a way to keep the various reference sheets and player aids in one place. I found this one after scrolling a couple of pages, and it runs the risk of getting "lost".

Any ideas?
      
jkottler
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Re:Reference Sheet Mon, 08 January 2007 23:37
The answer is the Unofficial BattleLore Wiki. If you find a link to a player aid, add it there! In fact, we've already got a link to AK's excellent reference sheet on our Resources page.

The fact that forums are a great way to have a conversation and a lousy way to build a collection is one of the reasons I started the wiki in the first place.

Come by and add links to the other items you've found!
      
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Re:Reference Sheet Tue, 09 January 2007 01:34
Thanks for the info and links. Although I've used Wikipedia often, I guess I really didn't know what a "wiki" was. Embarassed
      
    
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