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  QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Sat, 17 March 2007 15:16

QUICK TOURNAMENT 1/2007

Overall/Insgesamt QT 6

Get the Train!
Hol dir den Zug!


http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/zugumzugbilder/gt_anim.gif


Catch the golden train on
Fang dir den goldenen Zug am

Saturday, the 14. April 2007, 7 pm CEST
Samstag, den 14. April 2007, 19 Uhr MESZ



Registration is open:
Registrierung ist eröffnet:
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/zugtournament/i ndex.cgi?command=show&login=&passwd=&tour=QT1-20 07.tour

Would you like to know more about QTs?
Willst du mehr über die bisherigen Turniere wissen?
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/tickettoride/qt /

Rules as in the old tournaments.
Regeln wie in den alten QTs.
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/tickettoride/qt /rules.html
This time i want 64 players!!
Dieses Mal will ich 64 Spieler!!

The points for the board are computed with ELO of US map plus ELO of 2 player ranking!

Minimum Points is set to 2800. This is a one day tournament and i want players who are bound to participate. Guests cannot sign in. Read the GOLDEN TRAIN thread!
Mindespunktzahl für Teilnahme ist 1400. Es ist ein Ein-Tages Turnier und ich möchte Spieler, die auch garantiert an diesem Tag teilnehmen. Gäste können sich nicht registrieren. Lest den GOLDENEN ZUG thread!
http://www.daysofwonder.com/index.php?t=msg&th=7823& start=0

[Updated on: Sun, 25 March 2007 19:22]

      
Baron Von Schmidt
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Re:Quick Tournament QT 01/07 Date Sun, 18 March 2007 00:39
My Dearest Erps,

I would LOVE to play in the QT but unfortunately I will be on an airplane at the time you suggest.

Perhaps the week AFTER the 31st? April 7th works just spiffy (even at 7. a.m. Hawaii time)

Baron
      
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Re:Quick Tournament QT 01/07 Date Sun, 18 March 2007 13:27
hi erps,

sorry, my son celebrate his birthday at this saturday 24 march,
i'm not in Sad

shamo
Cool

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Sun, 18 March 2007 16:08
Just for bringing up!

See first post for details!

Date and time is set!

64 players!

Looking forward to it!

bye, erps
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Sun, 18 March 2007 16:44
Hi all!

I would like to play the QT but I can not sign in!
Is it why I do something wrong by sign in or why I am not "the best friend of erps" Rolling Eyes ??

I think everybody who wants to play should play on this tournament. So please erps or who is the man for it let me play on the tournament!

thx Mikkel

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Sun, 18 March 2007 21:39
Hi

Yes, that was the reason (My system, me god Smile). However you are right, you asked nicely for it and i think you deserve a second chance, so you and your brother a free to join the tournament.

Have fun Smile

bye, erps
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Mon, 19 March 2007 06:15
erps wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 16:39

Hi

Yes, that was the reason (My system, me god Smile). However you are right, you asked nicely for it and i think you deserve a second chance, so you and your brother a free to join the tournament.

Have fun Smile

bye, erps



Um, erps. Why are we allowing known cheaters to enter the tournament? You have been around long enough to know that at least some cheaters admitted what they did and apologized, promising to never do it again. To my knowledge those people were pretty much welcomed back with open arms by (nearly) everyone.

There are those however who denied cheating over and over and never admitted or apologized. Nando certainly falls into this catagory. I don't care if he erases every post he ever did or changes his name to Mikkel tie-get-some. BVB has gone to Alexander Frei. I am assuming these are both some soccer players. Seems to be popular to name your i.d. after soccer players in your country. Seems kindof dumb to me. You don't see Americans naming themselve Kobe Bryant or Steve Young. But whatever floats your boat.

I am saying that if you allow them in the tournament and we come across each other the games will be closed if either of their ranks happen to be below mine. (with their inflated ratings by cheating and with my 4 player games lately that might not be a problem.)

Still, I think cheaters who are not repentant should not be allowed in any tournament.

Baron
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Mon, 19 March 2007 07:18
I can register to play in the event, and being the greatest player ever to grace the the front page of 9 ranking pages at the same time, I'm sure I can beat a pair of cheaters, blindfolded, with my hands tied around my back.

How much ill will, if I register and then can't play? I am a known procrastinator and on the 14th I will no doubt be finishing my taxes at the last minute.. not sure how it works in those socialist euro countries, but you don't want to mess with Mr. Taxman in the U.S. of A. (being a law-abiding citizen that I am, not some cheater)!
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Mon, 19 March 2007 10:14
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@Baron: What is the bigger danger? A well-known cheater, observed the whole time or an unknown cheater? You said it, i have a good heart Wink I can't say no if someone is pleading...

@Best player ever (drakestorm): No problem, sign in at the last moment (Saturday at 18.45 CET) or sign in earlier (remember only 64 places!) and write me a pm or email short before the event and i delete your registration. Unfortunately no one is able to delete their own registration, that's the reason why a new system should come Wink

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Mon, 19 March 2007 17:40
@ drakey and erps: we had that last year; Tazilon did not appear in time and the match counts as forfeit. The Opponent that appears is then in the next round automatically...

Mudda
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Tue, 20 March 2007 00:06
Of course I want to bring this beautiful train to Holland. But I cannot play on the 14th of april. I suspect u knew that ! Wink

      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Tue, 20 March 2007 06:51
erps wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 05:14

Hi

You said it, i have a good heart Wink I can't say no if someone is pleading...


bye, erps



Sad Sad Sad PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE don't let unrepentant cheaters play in the tournament. Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

Will you Please agree not to let such persons play in the tournament? (remember, you can't say no Smile )

Love ya,

Baron
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Tue, 20 March 2007 12:51
Baron_ schrieb am Mon, 19 March 2007 06:15


Seems to be popular to name your i.d. after soccer players in your country. Seems kindof dumb to me. You don't see Americans naming themselve Kobe Bryant or Steve Young.

Baron


I always thought Scott Morefield was the Linebacker of the Helena Hutchies?!? Rolling Eyes

Maybe its because In Europe those sportsmen appear on TV more often than your commercials in american TV, Baron - I guess its about time You change your name into

MR. CLEAN !?!?

Muddaihrsohn


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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Tue, 20 March 2007 17:17
Hi

Baron_ schrieb am Tue, 20 March 2007 06:51

erps wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 05:14

Hi
You said it, i have a good heart Wink I can't say no if someone is pleading...


Sad Sad Sad PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLLLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE don't let unrepentant cheaters play in the tournament. Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
Will you Please agree not to let such persons play in the tournament? (remember, you can't say no Smile )
Love ya,
Baron


Only if someone is really meaning it Smile

Serious! I will watch as TD games with him (and others). If someone is interested, i could use a little help as TD. The thing is, TDs are not allowed to play... but if someone has time and fun watching and recording some games it would be a great help. Thank you!

bye, erps

P.S. For all of the "i have no time at this date" players Sad, pity , but every date has the same problems. I had to do a decision, you should never set a tournament trying to do it right for all participants, they have to do it your way. If they really are interested, they will do everything ...

And remember, it may be possible to sign in in the last minute! So far we have 22 registrations. If we have 64 let's say at the end of month i will set the number to 128!! Wink

bye, erps
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Wed, 21 March 2007 06:57
Just so you know. I really DID mean it.

B

I respect your decision as the organizer and TD of the tournament however. I just think all cheaters should admit they cheated and apologize before being allowed to be a real part of the community or partake in tournaments.

I am not saying do not let nando and bvb play. I just want them to admit what they did and apologize and ask for forgiveness first.

I will be the first to forgive them if they do.

And as you said, if they really mean it, not some sarcastic drivel.

Baron

oh, and to commit to NEVER cheating again.
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Wed, 21 March 2007 15:49
If somebody is thinking that I will cheat I also can play closed. No problem for me!
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Wed, 21 March 2007 16:17
Hi

Nope! No closed games. It's the rules and i will not accept a change in this.

Nobody is cheating here! Wink

I have to add, that i am still 100% sure that Nando/Mikkel pumped up his volume er score and opened multiplayer with bots to get a better multi ranking, but for me this is only the second/third degree of cheating. The first degree (the unforgivable cheat) is to spy on your opponents cards and tickets in an open game... I believe that he never did this (until proven) and i think he would be extremly dumb to do so in this tournament with probably a dozen people watching every move... Wink

Open games rulez!

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 06:54
oh Erps, come now. You know Nando did more than just that form of multi's with bots. I'd go over the 3 other ways I am aware of, but it has all been said before.

Although I am a bit concerned about him continuing to cheat that is not my main concern whatsoever.

As I have said. If you want the privelidge of being part of the real community and also to play in tournaments and such you have to admit what you did, apologize and commit to never do such again. It seems pretty basic.

Does no one else feel this way?

From reading the forums over the past several years people USED to feel this way at least. Now no one cares?

Well, if no one else does, then I will be the lone voice of reason.

I have even offerred to accept such apologies when they are given but still Nando is unrepentant.

Although it is a small action and you may not care much I personally will choose not to play in tournaments that allow known unrepentant cheaters in.

As I said Erps, it's your tourney, you do as you wish. Thanks for the invite but I'm going to pass on this one. I do wish you all to enjoy and have fun however.

Sincerely,

Baron
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 10:09
Hi

Hey, you were the reason i scheduled the QT at 19 CET instead of 14 CET as usual! So don't be a sissy and join this great event even if some known/unknown/dumb/unrepentant/clueless/hated/whatever cheater/players/people are playing. What is this in the greater scheme of things? Wink

So far only top players have won the QT (and in 5 events only 3 different i might add Wink), it's luck, but quality too. Quality cheaters are lacking.

Of course, if most of the participants say, they don't want them in tournament, i will reconsider my decision. But so far, we have nearly 30 registrations and no one besides you cares about Wink We are all doing this for fun, right? Twisted Evil and of course for the fame, the points and the damned golden thing everybody wants on their chimney!

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 14:53
I tried to register but it won't let me. Best I can tell I qualify (1520 2-player and 1461 USA is 2981 combined). Help?
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 15:45
Oh Baron dear, how about just forgive and forget??? Or turning the other cheek, or whatever it is you people do ....

We have all of us done things that we aren't proud of, have we not, darlin? Maybe even things that we should apologize for ... but this was not a capital offense and yet the way you carry on it seems you want them tarred and feathered with the mob standing around and watching ...

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ...(boy, I feel biblical today Very Happy )

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 18:39
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StrongBad09 schrieb am Thu, 22 March 2007 14:53

I tried to register but it won't let me. Best I can tell I qualify (1520 2-player and 1461 USA is 2981 combined). Help?


You are registered. Don't know if you figured it out by yourself or maybe you did a double click or a reload of the page. The system don't let you register twice. Anyway i can guarantee you are not on a black list Wink ... yet Twisted Evil

bye, erps

P.S. Uh. I am so nervous. I am reaching the 1000 posts soon. What will happen? I think i will post my next posts UNRATED (means only editing existent posts). I am afraid of the 1000... I will be squatting on 999 forever Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Thu, 22 March 2007 20:37
Sorry, erps! Thank you for the invitation, but unfortunately I'm nowadays rather busy during the weeks and the weekends are about the only time for me to spend some time with my family. So I can't participate this time. Maybe next time then. C U!

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Fri, 23 March 2007 02:42
erps wrote on Thu, 22 March 2007 12:39

Hi


P.S. Uh. I am so nervous. I am reaching the 1000 posts soon. What will happen? I think i will post my next posts UNRATED (means only editing existent posts). I am afraid of the 1000... I will be squatting on 999 forever Rolling Eyes


Hi erps, soon you will have more posts than played games... this is also an achievement Smile.
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Fri, 23 March 2007 09:04
Monika wrote on Thu, 22 March 2007 10:45

Oh Baron dear, how about just forgive and forget??? Or turning the other cheek, or whatever it is you people do ....

We have all of us done things that we aren't proud of, have we not, darlin? Maybe even things that we should apologize for ... but this was not a capital offense and yet the way you carry on it seems you want them tarred and feathered with the mob standing around and watching ...

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ...(boy, I feel biblical today Very Happy )

m



Well I hate to say it, but our Godless Monkey friend is right. Even though she does not believe any of those quotes that does not change the fact that I do indeed believe them.

So, yeah it's a heck of a lot easier for me to forgive someone who admits their wrong and commits to not doing it again.

However, one you missed my dear Monika is "I the Lord will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men (and women) (and wussy german cheaters too).

Boy Monika, what a low blow to use a blokes absolute and sure knowledge against them even when you remain completely ignorant of the beautiful truth Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile (you know I love you dear)

So, rare as it is, The Baron was temporarily wrong again. It aint easy, but grrrrrrrrrrr Nando, I forgive you. Forgiveness doesn't mean I have to be gulible and stupid however, I'll be watching you Twisted Evil but as of now I'll play you in open games even if I am higher rated.

So I guess I'm in Erps. And Thank You very much for changing the time my friend.

Baron
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Fri, 23 March 2007 10:44
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thadd schrieb am Fri, 23 March 2007 02:42


Hi erps, soon you will have more posts than played games... this is also an achievement Smile.



Too late Wink i HAD more posts than played games, but after the 1910 addon i played more games than ever before, so the gap is getting bigger...


@Baron: I can't believe that you are changing your mind because of some religious arguments from a godless monkey instead of the good arguments and the voice of reason!! If someone is saying (with a deep voice and/or behind a burning bush [ah nice picture]) "bring me your oldest child and sacrifice her", are you doing this? However i will remember this, because it is the chance to end every discussion with you with the right quote Wink

bye, erps


      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Sun, 25 March 2007 19:22
Hi

Only to clarify:

I forgot the time change today, so all times are


19.00 CEST
19.00 MESZ


bye, erps
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CET Tue, 27 March 2007 01:06
erps écrit le Thu, 22 March 2007 18:39

P.S. Uh. I am so nervous. I am reaching the 1000 posts soon. What will happen? I think i will post my next posts UNRATED (means only editing existent posts). I am afraid of the 1000... I will be squatting on 999 forever Rolling Eyes

A little game (like in the summer magazines you read on the beach) :

Try to recognize at least 5 known top players in these sentences above ! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 12:34
Hi


Please, tell me a reason why i allow you, Nando Rafael, to participate in the QT and you continue doing it over and over?

I am really pissed off.

This is my last warning to you and your friends.


Statistics for last 15 days:
DieSuperlok 17 0 1 18 122.1 93.8
Graf Arco 4 0 0 4 114 84
yami 57 0 8 65 118.3 96
Zaco2 5 0 1 6 111 98.2

ELO Superlok: 1453, special rankings >1640
ELO Arco: really high in europe, but is losing all his games to him
ELO yami: 1403, Europa 1695!
ELO Zaco: 1433, USA 1599

And this are only some special cases, there are a lot of minor numbers in wins against other players who play only you...

Stop playing these players in an instant or i cancel your and all the registrations of your "friends" for QT and ANY other tournament in the future or running (Europe tournament!). And believe me i can do this!

Also i think it is time to write to DOW to bring you down at least 150 ELO points. I think if we found enough players to sign this petition it will work.

I also will add all my influence to ban you from NC 2007 either forming or joining a team.

Same goes for the cheater topolino (mentioned in another thread).
I am tired of your kind!

bye, erps

      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 13:04
If you have a problem with it I can not help you!
I will play with my friends in future!
This is not cheating because I often play against other people!
It is your decision but it would be unfair to delete me from QT!

Mikkel

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 14:31
YOURE OUT!

I support Erps and Baron (in last posts) - give him a chance, we did and hes still fxxxin around!!!

Weekly name changings (feel free - but I think its stupid!), cheating on high level and unpollite threads and communications in the forum or lobby towards the REAL top players...

Sorry for nothing! Kick him and his friends out of everything!

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 16:05
Mudda I only changed my name one time the last year!
From Nando Rafael to Mikkel Thygesen!
And I do not cheat, I only play with my friends.
Is it not allowed to play more with people you know better than with other players?

      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 16:50
Just had a look through Mikkel's stats for the last 15 days:

Zaco: rank 439, 89% wins
Superlok: rank 362, 94% wins
Yami: rank 567, 87% wins
Arco: rank 70, 100% wins (but a small sample)

All others in last 15 days: average rank not worked out, 92% wins
All other top 1000 players: 90% wins (average rank = 499)
All other top 500 players: 82% wins (average rank = 271).

I cannot detect any real difference in overall win rates, even when you account for average rank. In other words, there seems to me to be no evidence of cheating. Mikkel may play many relatively easy opponents and he wins most of those games. But there is no evidence that his friends let him win when compared to other opponents of equivalent rank.

IMHO Mikkel should be allowed to play in the QT. Surely that would provide a true test of whether his rank is inflated or not?

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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 18:49
I have to agree with stephan in the way that Mikkel should be allowed to play in the QT. If he is really good, he will beat some players and maybe win, this has nothing to do with his acting to get a good rank. Though I dislike the way he is getting a good rank, sometimes persuading other (lower ranked) people to play with him, you see he wins against many players often. So he must be a pretty good player. But I ask you... why do you bother, whether he does this? Even if you think this was unfair. YOU know this is unfair. But does it hurt you? No. It does not.

Or does it?
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 20:52
Rolli wrote on Mon, 02 April 2007 09:49

But does it hurt you? No. It does not.

Or does it?


It does. If the TTR community says doing XYZ is cheating, stop it. And you continue to do it, then there is a problem.

The reason it hurts other players is in tournaments. The games are supposed to be played open. Why should I have to play someone who has cheated? If they will cheat one way, what is to say they will not cheat another way (i.e. observe the game with a 2nd account).

The fact that they have an inflated ranking means in most games they will be the higher ranked player and thus can't cheat that way, but what do you say to the people who have a higher ranking?

We shouldn't have to institute a special rule, "if you are playing against 'Cheater' in the tournament, you may play your games closed".

I think Nando or whatever his name is today is a decent player - probably could beat me, so I don't see why he doesn't just follow the suggestions given to him (i.e. just play your friends unrated!).
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Mon, 02 April 2007 20:59
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Full Ack to Drake, who is reasonable for a 5 year old! Wink

Stats: The win percentage against any of the favored opps should be no higher than 85% percent, even lower on their favorite map. And the most important point: After so many games against the same player have they learned nothing? Nobody in their right mind is happily playing such a losing streak. No one of my not online playing friends even wants to play me, because they know what this means... And you have to watch their stats against other players. Doesn't look so bad, hm? Pump up your elo.

And ack to Mudda's points too, of course first i thought (besides the cheating thing!) he is meaning himself Wink Wink Wink

bye, erps
      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Thu, 05 April 2007 17:42
This is a tough one... on the one hand, playing with your friends should be allowed, why wouldn't it be? I don't see anyone complaining if Jac and Bssie play 20 times in a row (nor should they)

I agree with Stefan and Rolli that just looking at the history, there isn't any blatant cheating.. Nando or whatever he calls himself today wins alot of games against a wide range of players. There are lots of top players who play random people.. look at thekid's streak. I don't think that's any issue.

However, I do think it strange that his friends get pummeled time and again, and are not only happy to do it again, but don't ever seem to improve, but perhaps Nando's friends are just not very bright.. that's not cheating.

It definately could be considered rating manipulation though...

I'd be in favor of forcing a series against a good player (Baron clearly wants this, but anyone in the top 100 or so would do, hell, I'd ever volunteer Wink rather than arbitarily adjusting the rating... He's just get it back up there with an adjustment. I series against someone else would definately tell us something one way or the other.

      
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Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Thu, 05 April 2007 21:34
To all of you in the competitive forum:

We understand that it is easy to get emotional about your rankings, scores, tournaments and other players... BUT we require a sense of civility in our forums and we insist that you refrain from making personal attacks on others. Stop the name calling! It is inappropriate behavior.


      
Baron Von Schmidt
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January 2007
Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Thu, 05 April 2007 22:28
This makes sense about the name calling per se.

Therefore I retract the names I have called Nando.

No longer will I call Nando a cheater. (although he is still a player who does cheat).

Dear Wildfire, look at ALL of nando's games. Playing with bots in multi with his brother and then quitting every game he or his brother was not going to win is clearly a form of cheating.

Playing his "friends" who lose by HUGE margins and nearly every game may not be "cheating" exactly but it is certianly unethical and since he continues to do all these things after many many warnings by the community then as Erps said it is time for DOW to step in.

We as the community understand DOW is busy with other games and such and so have tried to "police" ourselves. When after numerous things have happened and DOW still has not taken action then yes, tempers tend to flare and then we get warnings.

The warnings are indeed warrented, thus I will try to do better. If I forget from time to time, perhaps Monika will be kind enough to remind me again. Razz

Perhaps Erps a condition to play in the QT for Nando would be for him to play Baron 11 times FIRST. I think that would be great. If Nando is as good as he thinks he is or as good as some other random (nando clone?) said he is, then this should be no problem for him. You think he would welcome playing a 1600 level player and beating Baron over and over. Twisted Evil

Otherwise I request that I am matched vs. Nando in the first round.

Baron

[Updated on: Fri, 06 April 2007 00:38]

      
Wildfire2099
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June 2005
Re:QUICK Tournament QT 01/07 2007-04-14 Saturday 19 CEST Thu, 05 April 2007 22:54
The playing with bots thing doesn't bother me.. their ratings are pretty stable, if he wants a quarter of a point from them, he can have it. I agree its pretty unethical to drop a game if you're about to lose.. I didn't look at the aborted games. I will do so in a minute.

Edit: I don't see anywhere you can look at this on the history... is that something you just know happened in the past, or what?

As to he games with friends, the ones in recent history were seemingly reasonable games (most were close, I didn't see any of those 160 to -2 scores) I only went back like 6 pages though.

Edit: I look again, and I really think the scores are all reasonable, if this is someone throwing a game, they're doing so with alot of care and precision, to lose by 10-15 points most games.. you'd have to orchestrate that pretty closely... easier to just get better, I'd think

[Updated on: Thu, 05 April 2007 23:01]

      
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