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yangtze
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Helm's Deep Fri, 15 June 2007 20:35
Helm's Deep updated to include cliff hexes. Click on the link below to see the battle. Note, you will have to improvise some rampart markers.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/battlelore/en/battlelore_editor/ view/?id=580&returnto=&game=
      
Black Barney
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Re:Helm's Deep Mon, 18 June 2007 17:29
yangtze wrote on Fri, 15 June 2007 14:35

Helm's Deep updated to include cliff hexes. Click on the link below to see the battle. Note, you will have to improvise some rampart markers.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/battlelore/en/battlelore_editor/ view/?id=580&returnto=&game=


Well done! If i may make some comments, there are a few things I might change (GREAT idea for a scenario tho!)

- Make all of Gandalf's units mounted. Rohan was entirely mounted when they arrived.
- Remove the warg riders, the entire army should be made of archers and infantry (goblinoid if possible).
- Giving Rohan one heavy dwarven unit would be funny (Gimli) but inaccurate. It's up to you. I'd give them more archers though.
- For terrain, you need to show that it was a fort at the very end of a narrow pass. So bring in elevated terrain on both sides with cliff hexes showing impassable terrain.

For war councils:
Saruman was not present so I think you should give the Uruk-hai a level 3 Warrior and level 2 commander. If you think Saruman was giving support from the Tower, then give them a Level 1 wizard. The Uruk-Hai should be allowed use of a training camp on the baseline.

For Rohan, DEFINATELY give them a level 3 commander (Aragorn) which would allow use of the Stronghold which could show the last base of defense and the ultimate objective for the Uruk-Hai. Also give them a level 2 Wizard and maybe a level 3 Warrior.

The idea that I think should be captured is that Rohan is HEAVILY outnumbered. But they can draw on the great resources of Aragorn, Theoden, Gandalf (by having a HIGH war council).

I mean, to be truly great, you'd need to test out this scenario so that you get wins on each side anywhere from 40-60%.

I think the ULTIMATE tweak would be to change the win conditions.

Winning conditions for Saruman: Wiping out all the defences. Say 7, and then you limit the number of Rohan units to 7, which would reflect wiping out ALL of the defences.
I'd make the 7:
1 Heavy Cavalry
1 Heavy Infantry
1 Heavy Dwarven Infantry
4 Archers

Winning conditions for Rohan: Either a reasonable number of victory banners (6-7, enough to deter the attack), or to hold out a set number of turns for the reinforcements. The way you do that, is maybe give them one victory banner each turn and they can only win by getting 7 victory banners or something.

Anyway, just some ideas. I think your scenario is brilliant and would be really fun to play. Have fun with it!
      
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Re:Helm's Deep Tue, 19 June 2007 14:03
Thanks very much for the suggestions Black Barney Smile

In the film, the Rohirrim crash into the orcs mounted, but in the book I think you'll find a thousand men arrive on foot - only Gandalf is mounted.

I have made some changes to the war council setup. I think you're right that a higher warrior level for the defenders is appropriate given the influence on the ground of Gandalf, Gimli, Aragorn, and Legolas. So the defenders get level 2 and the attackers level 1. My take on the wizardry battle is that it was a stand-off, given that the arrival of men on the ground as reinforcements ultimately swung it for the defenders, so both sides get level 2 wizards and level 2 commanders.

With it being a set scenario, there's no problem having a stronghold even with a level 2 commander, and that's a very good suggestion, so I've put one in there as an objective, albeit a very difficult one, for the attackers.

If you want to make your own house rules for it of course please do. Have fun with it Smile
      
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Re:Helm's Deep Tue, 19 June 2007 16:40
bah! You caught me! I haven't read the book Sad

Good stuff, I'm glad you're having fun tweaking the scenario. I hope it gets approved as one of the official adventures! Very cool idea!
      
    
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