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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 11 February 2013 13:57
LooneyLlama wrote on Sun, 10 February 2013 19:12

By the way, tomorrow I am going to post all my 1943 scenarios(4 or 5). Helcat and Sam will each pick one scenario they would like to play. We will only play 2 scenarios fom 1943.

Eric

Sounds like fun.

If I might make a suggestion, perhaps I should choose the scenario forthe round where Helcat does the pairing, and he should choose the one for the round where I do the pairings. Otherwise, if there's a slanted scenario, there could be a massacre.

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 11 February 2013 16:01
Sam,

The scenarios will be in chronological order, so plan accordingly.

By the way, I've tried to make the scenarios as even as possible.
Some you have already played will be included. I have slightly tweaked them to give the lower percentage side a better chance to win. It will be up to you and Erik to figure out which ones are to your advantage. There will be advantages for one side or the other in each scenario.

I think everyone thought that Rzhev would heavily favor the Axis but in my estimation it would end up fairly even. It has played out that way. I feel most of the ones you see for 1943 will be hard fought and balanced.

Eric

[Updated on: Mon, 11 February 2013 16:10]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 12 February 2013 11:46
Bring on the next round! Smile

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 02:59
Greetings Commanders,

The war continues into 1943. Listed on the SFTF page are 10 scenarios to consider. They are in final form and no changes will be made. They are also in chronological order, and will be played that way. Sam and Erik will select which 2 or 3 scenarios we will play. They can consult their fellow commanders in making their decisions AND each other. Let's pick the ones everyone will enjoy.

The following is my synopsis of each scneario:

1. Breakout at Velikiye Luki, fairly even battle. Russians must get flank units involved early.

2. Landing at Malaya Zemlya, even but edge to Axis. If Allies get the cards they can win decisively.

3. Third Batle of Kharkov, distinct edge to Allies. very tough for Axis.

4.Ponyri, 'Little Stalingrad', distinct edge to Allies. Germans have to decide whether to smash through mines or pick away.

5. Battle of Kursk,Southern Front, very slight edge Germans, huge tank battle with quality(Axis) vs. quantity(Allies).

6.Belgorod Offensive, edge Axis, Russians must smash through somewhere to win.

7.Paradrop at Kanev, not sure about this one, all depends on where the paratroopers land and how they are used. U.S. paratroopers make a showing(only in the online version).

8.Battle of Kiev, edge Germans but Allies can win if they use a certain strategy(not telling).

9.The Lenino Offensive, slight edge Axis, but if they lose forward arty early all bets are off.

10. Zhitomir, Final Attempt, very slight edge Axis. Zhitomir and pesky ski troops are key.

If you would like to playtest any of these scenarios before selecting, let me know. Some of you have already done so. I want everyone to be enthusiastic for the ones we decide to play.

Let's have fun!

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 16:08
And the reason we can't play all ten is .... ? Wink


Seriously, they all look good ! Happy to let Sam & Erik make the call ..

[Updated on: Wed, 13 February 2013 16:09]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 16:50
Jaykay2010 wrote on Wed, 13 February 2013 08:08

And the reason we can't play all ten is .... ? Wink


Seriously, they all look good ! Happy to let Sam & Erik make the call ..



Besides the obvious, AXIS fear of losing all TEN!! Seriously, read somewhere that 9-10 doctors recommend NOT playing all TEN due to studies show that gamers might develope a nervous condition if they were to play all TEN!!

Yes, that is why we leave it up the the SAC's to make the choice, troops would want to go all in and fight all TEN!

[Updated on: Wed, 13 February 2013 16:51]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 17:14
Hmm I like to play them all, but I would like to get some advice of my team before deciding.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 19:00
Helcat wrote on Wed, 13 February 2013 09:14

Hmm I like to play them all, but I would like to get some advice of my team before deciding.


SAC Helcat,

Lots to review, how would you like our input, here in the forum so the enemy knows exactly what they are in for or by PM? Either way I suppose they will get their just desserts! Sure they would prefer German chocolate cake or maybe we could make it a RED velvet cake!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 20:23
Just another thought or two...

Ponyri and Third Battle of Kharkov were slightly changed to give the Axis a little better chance. They were not retested after this change. I still think they are at a moderate disadvantage as compared to the other scenarios. I left them in because I like the way they play out.

Also, I would like everyone to recommend to their commanders the scenarios that they think are most interesting and really want to try. Don't just pick them because you may think you will get an advantage. To me, enjoying a challenging scenario is a lot more fun than just winning.

I'm going to try to be on as much as possible this week and weekend for those of you who would like to try one before deciding.


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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 23:32
Eric,

I agree, I myself just enjoy a good fight, win, lose or draw, for the chess aficionados out there!

In keeping with my theme of a previous reply, much prefer a good fight as opposed to a cakewalk. We have all experienced it at one point or another, due to dice, cards or opponents skill or all 3 combined, it happens.

Might save my 2 cents or maybe a penny for a thought for some other time and trust in our SAC's, which I do, wholeheartedly, I might add, to make the best choices possible!

Choices made, pairings made, whatever they may be, will just have to be content to kick some AXIS AXIS!! (Sub 3 other letters on the other AXIS!) Surprised

[Updated on: Wed, 13 February 2013 23:33]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 23:49
Whatever people pick is good for me
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Wed, 13 February 2013 23:59
I agree with Van Voort.
Our SAC's can decide. Just like real life battle : the directives come from high up and the grunts just have to deal with it.

Like Eric said : the ability to adapt quickly to a challenging battlefield is (a big) part of the game.

I'm looking forward to next round!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 14 February 2013 00:48
Vercingetorix1302 wrote on Wed, 13 February 2013 15:59

I agree with Van Voort.
Our SAC's can decide. Just like real life battle : the directives come from high up and the grunts just have to deal with it.

Like Eric said : the ability to adapt quickly to a challenging battlefield is (a big) part of the game.

I'm looking forward to next round!



VCX1302,

Are you sure it wasn't Richard Burton who said that regarding his marriage to Elizabeth Taylor?

[Updated on: Thu, 14 February 2013 00:49]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 14 February 2013 10:30
Laughing
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 14 February 2013 14:53
Tony,

You're showing your age.We must all be over 40 if we get the joke about Liz Taylor and Richard Burton. I'll bet a lot of the younger players don't even know who they are.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Thu, 14 February 2013 16:57
LooneyLlama wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 06:53

Tony,

You're showing your age.We must all be over 40 if we get the joke about Liz Taylor and Richard Burton. I'll bet a lot of the younger players don't even know who they are.


Looney,

Not necessarily the case, my library evidently not as well stocked as our friend Jeroen's, they discarded old "Life", "People", "US", "National Inquirer" and other well regarded publications and as a result I am well-read!!!

Or are you saying I battle like on old man? Rolling Eyes Laughing Shocked

And it is a WWII war game, not necessarily the stuff of a younger generation! I am sure they are out there though!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 03:03
Hey guys,

I released 'Paradrop at Kanev' online for everyone to try. The reason I did this is that I had some problems with the scenario working(just a couple of times). Please give it a try if you so desire. Remember that U.S. paratroopers are used, but they fight the Axis just the same.


NOTE TO COMMANDERS:This does not mean that you can't choose this scenario as one for the tournament. I'm 99% sure it will work.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 06:42
Eric, there are definitively issues with Paradrop at Kanev: I tried for 3 times, but was unable to play for the allies: as soon as I clicked on the hex to drop the paras, the game would freeze. Also, once, while playing axis, Johnny left the game (!) This is a novelty to me!..
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 07:21
clorofila wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 00:42

Eric, there are definitively issues with Paradrop at Kanev: I tried for 3 times, but was unable to play for the allies: as soon as I clicked on the hex to drop the paras, the game would freeze. Also, once, while playing axis, Johnny left the game (!) This is a novelty to me!..

Hmmm ... I just tried it as the Russians, and as soon as I clicked the paradrop, all the German units disappeared.

I guess I don't know my own strength.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 11:30
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 01:21

clorofila wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 00:42

Eric, there are definitively issues with Paradrop at Kanev: I tried for 3 times, but was unable to play for the allies: as soon as I clicked on the hex to drop the paras, the game would freeze. Also, once, while playing axis, Johnny left the game (!) This is a novelty to me!..

Hmmm ... I just tried it as the Russians, and as soon as I clicked the paradrop, all the German units disappeared.

I guess I don't know my own strength.


Maybe they just went to their auto-camo mode Laughing
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 14:47
sam1812 wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 23:21

clorofila wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 00:42

Eric, there are definitively issues with Paradrop at Kanev: I tried for 3 times, but was unable to play for the allies: as soon as I clicked on the hex to drop the paras, the game would freeze. Also, once, while playing axis, Johnny left the game (!) This is a novelty to me!..

Hmmm ... I just tried it as the Russians, and as soon as I clicked the paradrop, all the German units disappeared.

I guess I don't know my own strength.



Eric,

Apparently Sam's strength carries over to my computer as well!! Must be a SON after Sam's name, some powerful stuff!!

Yes, tried twice and froze once and the other the AXIS hightailed it back to Berlin!!!

Maybe a simple fix, who knows, not having designed a darn thing all my life!! Does look like fun though.

[Updated on: Fri, 15 February 2013 14:47]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 15:53
gonzalan wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 08:47

Eric,

Apparently Sam's strength carries over to my computer as well!! Must be a SON after Sam's name, some powerful stuff!!

Yes, tried twice and froze once and the other the AXIS hightailed it back to Berlin!!!

Maybe a simple fix, who knows, not having designed a darn thing all my life!! Does look like fun though.

Yes, G. I am your father.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 16:35
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 07:53

gonzalan wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 08:47

Eric,

Apparently Sam's strength carries over to my computer as well!! Must be a SON after Sam's name, some powerful stuff!!

Yes, tried twice and froze once and the other the AXIS hightailed it back to Berlin!!!

Maybe a simple fix, who knows, not having designed a darn thing all my life!! Does look like fun though.

Yes, G. I am your father.



Sam,

LOL! You misunderstand, SAM SON, as in strength!

Now, if my name was Luke and your's Darth, you might be onto something!

If anything, willing to bet it might be the other way around, I am older than I appear online!!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 16:45
The AI can drop paratroopers just fine, and you can play the scenario as the Germans. But if I try as the Allies it indeed scares of some of the Germans. First try just the back rows but the second try everybody but one inf unit fled the battlefield.

Furthermore it seems to do strange things to my own tanks as well, or is this Russians drunk driving? Very Happy :

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30626174/jerfotodiv/fliptank.png

[Updated on: Fri, 15 February 2013 16:46]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 17:01
gonzalan wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 10:35

sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 07:53

gonzalan wrote on Fri, 15 February 2013 08:47

Eric,

Apparently Sam's strength carries over to my computer as well!! Must be a SON after Sam's name, some powerful stuff!!

Yes, tried twice and froze once and the other the AXIS hightailed it back to Berlin!!!

Maybe a simple fix, who knows, not having designed a darn thing all my life!! Does look like fun though.

Yes, G. I am your father.



Sam,

LOL! You misunderstand, SAM SON, as in strength!

Now, if my name was Luke and your's Darth, you might be onto something!

If anything, willing to bet it might be the other way around, I am older than I appear online!!


I understood perfectly. And if you're that old, you probably don't have that much hair. Smile

Here in metro New York, Son of Sam was a serial killer 30-40 years ago, who (if I recall correctly) believed that a dog was telling him to do it.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 17:09
Ok,

Darn, I will eliminate this scenario from our list. That's too bad as I thought it was a fun one. Maybe after an update I can release it again. Thanks for checking it out.


I now have Belgorod-Bogodukhov Offensive up for now. Give it a try. Hill 317 is there for a reason. My question for all you experts is when would its use be most effective? The Germans in certain situations will have to be really careful if that hex is occupied.

Eric

[Updated on: Fri, 15 February 2013 17:11]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 17:31
Eric,

Yes, a shame for now, but still, 9 excellent choices left!!

Hope to be home in 30-45 to get online and battle some, trigger finger is itchy!

[Updated on: Fri, 15 February 2013 17:32]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Fri, 15 February 2013 18:12
Sam,

Glad you got an "old man's" reference to hair and strength and make some of your own, bald (take after dad) full head of, dog, hair of, and well, if it is as you say, glad to finally meet you!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 16:22
Hi guys,

Sam has picked Belgorod- Bogodukhov Offensive as the second scenario.

Also, he has chosen Clorofila as our 2 point player.

Since Landing at Malaya Zemlya occured in Feb. '43, it will be our 5th battle. It is now online.

Helcat now picks his 2 point player, sets the lineups, and then play can begin.

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 17:46
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 18 February 2013 08:22

Hi guys,

Sam has picked Belgorod- Bogodukhov Offensive as the second scenario.

Also, he has chosen Clorofila as our 2 point player.

Since Landing at Malaya Zemlya occured in Feb. '43, it will be our 5th battle. It is now online.

Helcat now picks his 2 point player, sets the lineups, and then play can begin.





Looney,

Looks good, a day at the beach for a little R & R! After that, things will get Offensive!!!

Look forward to both and and 1st right straight up, no bonus for either side!!

@SAC Helcat,

Rested and ready to serve!! Cool Let us take those HILLS and enjoy the view!!
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 17:53
Report from the front. I was just playing Landing at Malaya Zemlya as the Russians (can't get enough practice in to get into your minds now can I? Cool )

And a really strange thing happened. Visibility was 3 hexes. I played a recon right thinking to activate my special forces and the armor unit behind it. But the computer would not let me. So I started clicking away trying what the computer would let me do, and the only option that worked was:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30626174/jerfotodiv/Airstrike%3F.png

So after trying everything else I decided to go for this "order" and see if i could order the germans and my own troops. What happened was that the computer started an airstrike on the German hex, leaving me worried I would be bombing my own men. But that did not happen, the turn ended after the russian aircraft bombed the germans.

I feel it was a strange fluke that would not even have happened if I had ordered my two units in another order. But I can't be sure.


And before some says it: I have sent in a bug report. Razz
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 23:15
Jeroen,

I have to say I haven't come across that happening in any scenario I've played. I'm hoping it was just a fluke occurance. It's hard to anticipate something so strange. This scenario has worked well though in all the instances that I played it. I think it will be a fun one for everyone.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 23:38
Maybe someone would like to try and play a recon and select two units, that does not seem to be working fine.

Something with Gung Ho, blitz and the Hill rule. (I wasn't on one of the hills when I did it by the way.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Mon, 18 February 2013 23:52
In a game just now, my Russians played a Recon-1 in full daylight.

I clicked an enemy unit, to see whether it would let me. (It did.)

But after I unclicked the German unit, I was able to click only one of my own units, despite the Gung-Ho rule. It sounds like you're right, that the Blitz rule (air strike or order one unit) is taking priority over the Gung-Ho rule.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 02:21
Hi Jeroen and Sam,

Ok then, let's play it that way. I think it's a 'good' bug for this scenario. As Allies, if you get the Recon 1 card you can either use Air Power in the designated section OR order 1 unit, not 2. Gung Ho rule is overridden for this card. I'll specify it in the rules for all to be aware.

Eric

The scenario has been updated with an explanation for the Recon 1 bug.

By the way, thanks guys for picking that up. I don't think it will affect the scenario one bit.

[Updated on: Tue, 19 February 2013 02:27]

      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 02:54
In Jeroen's situation, he said he couldn't target multiple enemy units for some reason. When my Russians had the card, there were no two ELIGIBLE German units together to try it.

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 06:24
Apparently, Blitz Air Power can be used before the sun is up.

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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 06:30
IMHO that's a bug. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 12:52
gheintze wrote on Tue, 19 February 2013 00:24

Apparently, Blitz Air Power can be used before the sun is up.

Geoff

Did you attempt that? I didn't.
      
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Re:Online Eastern Front Tournament Tue, 19 February 2013 13:11
Yes, Blitz Air Power can be used before the sun is up. However, this scenario was written for head to head play. All of us realize we won't use it before then. The computer AI does not recognize night rules and will play any card that can't be used before full daylight. The card will be played but nothing happens as it is negated by night rules. It ends up being a wasted card for the AI. Try to play this scenario against other fellows to get a flavor of how this scenario plays out.

Sending in a bug report is a waste of time as nothing has been corrected in over a year.
      
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