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General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 16:40
Memoir '44 is a combat action game and many new players are quick to want to get into the action. It is typical that on your turn you seek to go out aggressively and eliminate your opponents units and get medals. However, there is "more than one way to skin a cat". With this thought in mind here is this weeks rules quiz:

Describe a situation where you can actually score a medal on your opponents turn instead of your turn.

Please try to explain with some detail and limit your response to ONE situation so that more folks get a chance to answer. Thanks.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 March 2013 12:28]

      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 16:54
Air rules - Kamikaze action by a Zero: if you roll a grenade, opponent get a medal too.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 17:58
Almilcar wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 10:54

Air rules - Kamikaze action by a Zero: if you roll a grenade, opponent get a medal too.


Yes, good answer.

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P.7 AIR RULES
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Kamikaze Attack (Zero)
Special Action: Airplane dives on an adjacent enemy ground
or ship unit, rolling 2 dice and ignoring terrain protection.
Any symbol rolled that scores a hit on the unit targeted causes
the entire unit (not just a single figure!) to be removed from
the battlefield. Flags and Stars are ignored. The Airplane is
removed from the field regardless of the dice results, but
does not give a Medal to its opponent unless at least 1
Grenade was rolled
.



So your opponent may have succeeded in knocking off one of your units but the GRE gives you his Airplane for a medal as well.


      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 19:36
you play an ambush card and wipe out an entire unit.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 19:58
Stiff Upper Lip battle back - on a 1 figure attacker killing the attacker winning a medal and an award.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 21:13
ambush---force your opponent to retreat over a frozen river...and he rolls stars enough to kill off the unit
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 21:25
He rolls a flag and you retreat on a hex with a medal.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Sun, 03 March 2013 22:54
This one is highly unlikely, but imagine a situation like the Russian left flank in Tigers in the Snow, where one bridge separates a large force behind a river from an even larger enemy force on the other side, with inadequate cards to defend against the invaders. (Or a situation in which the necessary functionality exists in Memoir Online and a player clicks it accidentally, without the ability to undo.)

Theoretically, one could blow up a bridge with one's own unit on it.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 00:22
Antoi wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 13:36

you play an ambush card and wipe out an entire unit.


Very good. Yes, probably the most typical way.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 00:27
Phread wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 13:58

Stiff Upper Lip battle back - on a 1 figure attacker killing the attacker winning a medal and an award.


Yes, be careful if you are attacking a British Unit with a single figure unit, you might pay the ultimate price. And is Phread correctly said you might also, if playing MEMOIR '44 ONLINE, end up not only giving up a medal but also giving your opponent an achievement award as well.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 00:33
Erik Uitdebroeck wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 15:25

He rolls a flag and you retreat on a hex with a medal.


YES, and I love when this happens - that is, if I am the one retreating. Laughing

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It actually might make another great achievement. Winning the game on the flag toss of an opponent.
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 00:39
sam1812 wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 16:54

This one is highly unlikely, but imagine a situation like the Russian left flank in Tigers in the Snow, where one bridge separates a large force behind a river from an even larger enemy force on the other side, with inadequate cards to defend against the invaders. (Or a situation in which the necessary functionality exists in Memoir Online and a player clicks it accidentally, without the ability to undo.)

Theoretically, one could blow up a bridge with one's own unit on it.


Sam, I give you an A+ for creative thinking. But I am sticking to the less hypothetical situations that most of us have actually encountered in game play.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 09:15
opponent runs a unit on a mine, which explodes and kills enough figures to kill the unit
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 09:16
--JP wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 21:13

ambush---force your opponent to retreat over a frozen river...and he rolls stars enough to kill off the unit

I love how you start with the typical ambush, but give it a twist with the frozen river, making it 2 answers in one.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 09:22
stevens wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 00:39

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 16:54

This one is highly unlikely, but imagine a situation like the Russian left flank in Tigers in the Snow, where one bridge separates a large force behind a river from an even larger enemy force on the other side, with inadequate cards to defend against the invaders. (Or a situation in which the necessary functionality exists in Memoir Online and a player clicks it accidentally, without the ability to undo.)

Theoretically, one could blow up a bridge with one's own unit on it.


Sam, I give you an A+ for creative thinking. But I am sticking to the less hypothetical situations that most of us have actually encountered in game play.

I don't think this is all too hypothetical. There are scenarios where blowing up a bridge gives you a victory medal. One could choose to blow up the bridge to get the medal, even at a cost of giving a medal to the opponent.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 09:26
stevens wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 00:27

Phread wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 13:58

Stiff Upper Lip battle back - on a 1 figure attacker killing the attacker winning a medal and an award.


Yes, be careful if you are attacking a British Unit with a single figure unit, you might pay the ultimate price. And is Phread correctly said you might also, if playing MEMOIR '44 ONLINE, end up not only giving up a medal but also giving your opponent an achievement award as well.

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/37.png


From my own experience, be careful to attack the british with full strength units as well.
I once attacked a full strength british infantry with my full strength german infantry. My opponent had ambush, and rolled 3 hits. My attacked rolled 3 hits as well, reducing his unit to one figure, giving him the stiff upper lip battle back, which rolled another hit and gave my opponent a medal. And the award.
After so many online games, one has seen it all.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 13:15
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 03:26


From my own experience, be careful to attack the british with full strength units as well.

Good point sir!

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 16:41
stevens wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 18:27

Phread wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 13:58

Stiff Upper Lip battle back - on a 1 figure attacker killing the attacker winning a medal and an award.


Yes, be careful if you are attacking a British Unit with a single figure unit, you might pay the ultimate price. And is Phread correctly said you might also, if playing MEMOIR '44 ONLINE, end up not only giving up a medal but also giving your opponent an achievement award as well.

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/37.png



I actually won a game on a Stiff Upper Lip roll Very Happy
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 17:48
your opponent moves out of a hex where there was a majority medal for both players and loses the majority in your favor.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 20:15
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 03:15

opponent runs a unit on a mine, which explodes and kills enough figures to kill the unit


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Correct sir! I hate when that happens to me.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 20:20
--JP wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 15:13

ambush---force your opponent to retreat over a frozen river...and he rolls stars enough to kill off the unit


Yes, a variation of killing off a unit with an ambush DIRECTLY.
So an AMBUSH creating a retreat that goes wrong in the icy waters of the FROZEN RIVER.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 20:26
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 03:22

stevens wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 00:39

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 03 March 2013 16:54

This one is highly unlikely, but imagine a situation like the Russian left flank in Tigers in the Snow, where one bridge separates a large force behind a river from an even larger enemy force on the other side, with inadequate cards to defend against the invaders. (Or a situation in which the necessary functionality exists in Memoir Online and a player clicks it accidentally, without the ability to undo.)

Theoretically, one could blow up a bridge with one's own unit on it.


Sam, I give you an A+ for creative thinking. But I am sticking to the less hypothetical situations that most of us have actually encountered in game play.

I don't think this is all too hypothetical. There are scenarios where blowing up a bridge gives you a victory medal. One could choose to blow up the bridge to get the medal, even at a cost of giving a medal to the opponent.


Okay the real question is:
Is it possible?

And I agree with you Quit2. So Sam I am apologizing for dismissing your answer. Embarassed

Yes, if your opponent for whatever reason blows up a bridge with his own unit on it ON HIS TURN, you get the medal.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 20:28
JJAZ wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 11:48

your opponent moves out of a hex where there was a majority medal for both players and loses the majority in your favor.



Yes, I have been this stupid myself. Shocked

Good answer. But a stupid move Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 20:50
stevens wrote on Tue, 05 March 2013 08:28

JJAZ wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 11:48

your opponent moves out of a hex where there was a majority medal for both players and loses the majority in your favor.



Yes, I have been this stupid myself. Shocked

Good answer. But a stupid move Laughing Laughing Laughing


A variation would be when a unit in a majority hex attacks and is either eliminated or forced to retreat by an ambush, thus giving up the medal.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 21:01
Phread wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 14:50


A variation would be when a unit in a majority hex attacks and is either eliminated or forced to retreat by an ambush, thus giving up the medal.


Yes, and this gets you into the bonus category, when an action allows you MORE than ONE MEDAL.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 21:27
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Phread wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 14:50


A variation would be when a unit in a majority hex attacks and is either eliminated or forced to retreat by an ambush, thus giving up the medal.


Yes, and this gets you into the bonus category, when an action allows you MORE than ONE MEDAL.



Could be three medals - Ponyri the majority objective is worth 3 medals.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Mon, 04 March 2013 22:03
Phread wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 15:27

stevens wrote on Tue, 05 March 2013 09:01

Phread wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 14:50


A variation would be when a unit in a majority hex attacks and is either eliminated or forced to retreat by an ambush, thus giving up the medal.


Yes, and this gets you into the bonus category, when an action allows you MORE than ONE MEDAL.



Could be three medals - Ponyri the majority objective is worth 3 medals.



Yes, I have won this in this fashion. Very Happy

And this is the EXACT scenario I lost from moving off of the town hexes as well (as mentioned in the STUPID MOVE comment above. I thought the center towns were only worth ONE medal and when I moved off my opponent not only got two medals but won the game. Embarassed

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 00:51
another one:
your opponent makes an air check and fails, while there was one of your units adjacent.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 04:29
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 18:51

another one:
your opponent makes an air check and fails, while there was one of your units adjacent.


P.9 Airpack Rules
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AIR CHECK
If at least 1 Grenade is rolled, the Airplane is lost and the order it was given is wasted!
All other dice results are ignored.
If the Airplane was lost, remove it from the board. Opponent gains a Medal only if one of his units (including Opponent's Airplane, if any) was adjacent to the Airplane at the time of the Air check.


It's starting to look like there are a lot of ways you can make a bad choice and bad luck will end up giving your opponent a medal.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 05:30
stevens wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 22:29

It's starting to look like there are a lot of ways you can make a bad choice and bad luck will end up giving your opponent a medal.

Making the right choice and having a bad outcome is very different from making a bad choice.

I recall once, in the Vassal Ladder Tournament (at Beda Fomm), ordering a plane on a TFH, with three targets ripe for the 2d strafe. 1d air check, and you can guess what happened next. But if it hadn't been shot down, it could have done some serious damage.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 13:06
sam1812 wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 23:30

stevens wrote on Mon, 04 March 2013 22:29

It's starting to look like there are a lot of ways you can make a bad choice and bad luck will end up giving your opponent a medal.

Making the right choice and having a bad outcome is very different from making a bad choice.

I recall once, in the Vassal Ladder Tournament (at Beda Fomm), ordering a plane on a TFH, with three targets ripe for the 2d strafeen those with less experience as to th. 1d air check, and you can guess what happened next. But if it hadn't been shot down, it could have done some serious damage.


Yes, you are right Sam. I should have said unfortunate choice instead of "bad choice". This covers ALL situations, but speaking purely for myself, I have made plenty of BAD choices in my gaming that have cost me medals and hence games. You, I believe, have had the opportunity to be a witness to several of them. And this of course is the whole reason for this quiz, to enlighten less experienced players to the possible consequences of their choices so that they might take a more reasoned approach. This is how you have helped me in the past and so in some way I am attempting to pass it forward. Merci mon ami.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 13:59
Phread écrit le Mon, 04 March 2013 21:27


Could be three medals - Ponyri the majority objective is worth 3 medals.



I think that Ponyri majority objective is only 2 medals.

Is there an official scenario with an objective worth 3 medals ?
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 14:14
tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 05 March 2013 07:59

I think that Ponyri majority objective is only 2 medals.

Is there an official scenario with an objective worth 3 medals ?


Rzhev Overlord comes to mind: "The 12 town hexes form a Temporary Majority Medal Objective worth 3 Medals for whoever controls the majority of the towns. Determined majority at the start of each player's turn."
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 18:09
tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 05 March 2013 07:59

Is there an official scenario with an objective worth 3 medals ?


Yes, and the worst case scenario I can think of is to be playing IWO JIMA LANDINGS as Axis and move off or be eliminated:

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1484
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The nine Hill and Mountain hexes of Mount Suribachi form a Temporary Majority Medal Objective worth
4 Medals for the Allied player.

It could be a FIVE MEDAL loss if you lost your unit and the Four medals for Temporary Majority Medal Objective of Mount Suribachi.

OUCH! Shocked

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Tue, 05 March 2013 20:14
tinsoldier wrote on Wed, 06 March 2013 01:59

Phread écrit le Mon, 04 March 2013 21:27


Could be three medals - Ponyri the majority objective is worth 3 medals.



I think that Ponyri majority objective is only 2 medals.

Is there an official scenario with an objective worth 3 medals ?



My reference to three medals is 2 for the objective + 1 for the unit destroyed = 3.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Wed, 06 March 2013 10:01
Phread écrit le Tue, 05 March 2013 20:14


My reference to three medals is 2 for the objective + 1 for the unit destroyed = 3.

Indeed.

By the way, I do like those scenarios where the control of some town hexs drive the efforts of both players, with the objective being alternatively won and lost, with a sort of "sudden death" twist.

Similar to Ponyri, you have of course the Barricade factory at Stalingrad.

Any other such scenarios beside those already mentioned here and above ?
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Wed, 06 March 2013 13:10
Lets do a review to see what we have discovered so far in response to the quiz.
I have not given each particular situation or variant its own number, but rather listed the main ACTION which initiates the medal gain.

Describe a situation where you can actually score a medal on your opponents turn instead of your turn.

1. A Kamikaze Attack where your opponent rolls a GRENADE.

2. You play an Ambush Card on your opponent when they attack in Close Assault and their unit is eliminated.

3. You Battle Back as British with the "Stiff Upper Lip" in Close Assault where you survived by one figure and destroy your opponents' one figure attacking unit.

4. Your opponent rolls a FLAG and you Retreat onto an hex with a Medal Objective for your side.

5. Your opponent Blows up a Bridge which has one of his units on it.

6. Your opponent either moves onto or is forced to retreat onto (Ambush or "Stiff Upper Lip") a Frozen River Hex and STAR rolls eliminate his unit.

7. Your Opponent moves onto a Mine and the dice rolls eliminate his unit.

8. Your opponent willingly moves off of or is destroyed or forced to retreat out of (Ambush or "Stiff Upper Lip") a hex with a Temporary Majority Medal Objective the outcome of which gives you majority and hence medal(s).

9. Your opponent makes an Air check and rolls a GRENADE and you have a unit adjacent to his Airplane at the time of the check.

I believe there may be another answer or two out there...

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http://static.memoir44.com/lang/english/images/mm_compendium_urban_7.jpg

Does this card count as a seperate option? Or is it the same as 4. Your opponent rolls a FLAG and you Retreat onto an hex with a Medal Objective for your side.
      
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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Wed, 06 March 2013 16:05
Antoi wrote on Wed, 06 March 2013 08:52

http://static.memoir44.com/lang/english/images/mm_compendium_urban_7.jpg

Does this card count as a seperate option? Or is it the same as 4. Your opponent rolls a FLAG and you Retreat onto an hex with a Medal Objective for your side.


Yes I would count this as different in that although it involves a CARD PLAY on your opponents turn, the card PULL BACK has not been mentioned before.
Also, your opponent is not forcing you to retreat, it is a option you are taking with a particular card play.

So good find.
Using a PULL BACK card on your opponents turn to pull back onto a medal hex.

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Re:General stevens Rules Quiz No.8 Wed, 06 March 2013 18:19
your opponent leaves a section that has an empty section medal (sugar loaf and half moon)
      
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