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  Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Mon, 29 January 2007 15:04
The Emperor Titus has called for the greatest celebration in Rome's history to commemorate the opening of the Colosseum - 100 days of the grandest spectacles the empire has ever seen. Citizens have flocked to the city by the thousands - enthralled by the sight of hundreds of gladiators in battle... rare and exotic animals prowling the arena floor... and to hear and see the greatest musicians and entertainers ever assembled.

As Rome's most famous impresario, you have been chosen to produce the closing finale. Titus himself has taken his seat in the Emperor's Loge. At the drop of his hand, the final spectacle will begin. Your moment in the sun has come...

Introducing Colosseum - our newest board game designed by acclaimed German game designer Wolfgang Kramer and Markus Lübke.

Set in imperial Rome, each player In Colosseum is a Roman impresario - producing great spectacles in their respective arenas in the hopes of attracting the most spectators to their events. Players earn wealth and glory for each event run, using it to build ever more ambitious events. During the game they will need to invest in improving their arena, find the best performers, lure the Emperor and his nobles to their events, and manage their assets for long-term success to be granted the title of Grand Impresario.

Colosseum is expected to be available in Europe in March and in North America in April.

More info: http://www.colosseumgame.com

[Updated on: Mon, 29 January 2007 15:05]

    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Fri, 16 February 2007 18:28
I confess I'm bothered by this topic.

The Colosseum was the site of hideous atrocities. Slaves, political prisoners, and Christians were forced to fight to the death, fed to animals, tortured and executed, all for the amusement of the crowd.

Will the sequel be Sim Death Camp? How about an RTS of Hitler’s Final Solution?

It would be different if the game really dealt with the subject matter, but to whitewash the atrocities and make a kiddie game? I don’t think so.

But hey, it’s just a game, right?
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 04 March 2007 21:03
Sounds entertaining! Seriously get over it bud. There are plenty of better things out there to protest. Read the rules.. I guarantee you won't find any detailed mechanics about how to torture, maim, and feed the Christians to the Lions.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Mon, 05 March 2007 04:35
Yes, it is just a game.

I mean come on Millions of Jews, people who held the wrong political views and othe "undesirables" were murdered during WWII, but you don't say anything about Memoir 44?

Thousands of Blacks and Chinese were "employed" under near slave like conditions while building the rail roads in the U.S., but you have nothing to say about Ticket to Ride?

And Millions upon Millions of people were used as slaves over the course of several centuries to build the wonders Egypt, yet nothing to say about Cleopatra?

Come on man, it is JUST a game.

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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 14:28
rsjrev wrote on Fri, 16 February 2007 17:28



But hey, it’s just a game, right?



Right.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 15:42
Tyveil wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 15:03

I guarantee you won't find any detailed mechanics about how to torture, maim, and feed the Christians to the Lions.


And that is the problem. If the actual subject matter was in the game, the player would be faced with honest history.

Cleaning it up to little more than a circus raises moral issues to me. It might be different if the kids were learning the truth in history classes,...but that is a whole 'nother issue.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 15:58
Ivan21 wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 22:35

Yes, it is just a game.

I mean come on Millions of Jews, people who held the wrong political views and othe "undesirables" were murdered during WWII, but you don't say anything about Memoir 44?

Thousands of Blacks and Chinese were "employed" under near slave like conditions while building the rail roads in the U.S., but you have nothing to say about Ticket to Ride?

And Millions upon Millions of people were used as slaves over the course of several centuries to build the wonders Egypt, yet nothing to say about Cleopatra?

Come on man, it is JUST a game.


Dude,

Memoir44 is a celebration of the DEFEAT of the Nazi's. It was the official game of the D-Day anniversary, remember?

Additionally, Colliseum is not about the battles involving the Roman army. It is specifilly about the place where slaves and Christians were slaughtered, for the entertainment of a perverted society. For an equivalent game, you would have to make the game about the death camps, not just any WW2 game.

The conditions for construction workers in all fields during the 19h Century were terrible. Check out the movie "Molly McGuires" for an idea of life in the coal mines was like. However, I don't see an equal link with Ticket to Ride - of course, I've only played it once.

I know nothing of the Cleopatra game. If it is indeed about buiding the Egyptian "wonders", the economics of the game should count the human cost. If the ecomics are abstracted, then Designer's notes should be included to explain the history.

No, it is NOT just a game. it is history.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 16:02
Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 09:28

rsjrev wrote on Fri, 16 February 2007 17:28



But hey, it’s just a game, right?



Right.



Wrong. It is history. These games will make more of an impact on young people than any lecture. These games will often be used in the classroom as history teaching tools.

As a college professor, I've met too many students who had no clue about any history prior to 1960. Whitewashing history will give us more Hitler's, more atrocities, and more Collusiums.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 16:08
rsjrev wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 15:02

Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 09:28

rsjrev wrote on Fri, 16 February 2007 17:28



But hey, it’s just a game, right?



Right.



Wrong. It is history. These games will make more of an impact on young people than any lecture. These games will often be used in the classroom as history teaching tools.

As a college professor, I've met too many students who had no clue about any history prior to 1960. Whitewashing history will give us more Hitler's, more atrocities, and more Collusiums.


The simple answer, if it offends you so much, is don't buy it.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 16:14
Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 11:08

rsjrev wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 15:02

Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 09:28

rsjrev wrote on Fri, 16 February 2007 17:28



But hey, it’s just a game, right?



Right.



Wrong. It is history. These games will make more of an impact on young people than any lecture. These games will often be used in the classroom as history teaching tools.

As a college professor, I've met too many students who had no clue about any history prior to 1960. Whitewashing history will give us more Hitler's, more atrocities, and more Collusiums.


The simple answer, if it offends you so much, is don't buy it.


That is a given. However, we also must make gentle protest when deemed necessary.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 16:18
rsjrev,

I may not agree with your sentiments, but I shall always respect your right to protest.

With kindest regards,

    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 16:19
Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 11:18

rsjrev,

I may not agree with your sentiments, but I shall always respect your right to protest.

With kindest regards,




We're cool.

Thanks,

Steve
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sun, 18 March 2007 19:50
rsjrev wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 15:19

Wee Sodjer wrote on Sun, 18 March 2007 11:18

rsjrev,

I may not agree with your sentiments, but I shall always respect your right to protest.

With kindest regards,




We're cool.

Thanks,

Steve


I think I owe rsjrev an explanation and I address this to him:

Steve,

I'm cool too. I have never been much for censorship or reading too much into what I believe is a harmless game, however I do appreciate the point of view that you hold so sincerely.

The following may explain my point of view.

As well as boardgames I also play wargames with metal miniatures and, in the late sixties and early seventies, I was a member of a club in Manchester devoted to pushing lovingly painted lumps of lead around a table whilst under the impression that we were refighting Gettysburg, Waterloo, Agincourt or some other famous battle.

We were trying to increase our membership and held an open day to invite members of the public to watch a couple of demonstration games and have a look at our terrain.

This was at the height of the anti-war feeling fuelled by the Vietnam war. There was also a strong feeling amongst certain groups that our hobby glorified war, much in the same way that some groups are of the impression that playing Dungeons and Dragons leads to Satanism.

During the day, a group of young men and women came into the hall and spray-painted our set up with matt black paint to reinforce their view that we were on the slippery slope to a martial society and in the process ruined many hours of effort put into our hobby.

This may be an extreme example but it has inculcated in me a great respect for the other fellow's passtimes, as long as they do not cause harm. It has also left a lasting impression on me.

Can I play the Confederate side in the ACW without supporting slavery? Can I play the SS at Arnhem without condoning the slaughter of the Jews in the concentration camps. Can I play any side in the Thirty Years War?

Honestly, I don't consider any of the above in my gaming. Maybe I should. That, however, would spoil the escapism and in this day and age a bit of escapism is exactly what I enjoy about games.

With kindest regards,
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Mon, 19 March 2007 01:46
Man, Jim's so old, he's buyng Colosseum because it brings back the memories of when he was a Gladiator! When he talks of the 60's and 70's - he means just that - 60 AD - not 1960!

Razz (couldn't resist!)


Anyway. I hear what you are saying Steve. I am a Christian but this game doesn't offend me. I think it is abstract enough that it won't bother most of the people I am going to play against (and almost all of them are Christian). I also think it is silly enough that none of us are going to take lightly what Christians and others suffered through the Roman colosseums.

If you do end up getting the game, just listen to James: Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. And if that doesn't work for you, just burn every copy you meet and replicate Nero's Fire and the real persecution that came out of that incident!

[Updated on: Mon, 19 March 2007 01:52]

    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Wed, 21 March 2007 20:42
As a Roman Catholic Christian, a Bachelor of Arts in History, and a Master's Candidate in Education, I find a professor objecting to a game about the past both ironic and sad.

I discuss slavery (and the fact that my great grandfather was a slave owner in Philladelphia post 1870...) with elementary students fairly often. It is a sad fact that many of the childen I encounter at work, as a substitute teacher, are racists by age 7. Hmong, Thai, Laos, Vietnamese, Malay...


I find more threat in suppression than in the idea of the Coliseum game. Students need to realize WHY the Circus Maximus and the Circus Gladitorius (sp? Conj?) were popular, why bread and circuses was the policy, and games like Coliseum can make the point.

The use of games and simulations is a powerful tool. M44 can show very quickly that a major battle is never bloodless; that all war has a price. This leads to the question of "Is the price too high?"

As a Catholic, I've been raised with the concept of "Just War" and I find that, while Vietnam, Korea, WW I and WW II definitely fit, and 1st Gulf War (Desert Storm) as well, I am not so certain about GW II. But it is important to teach the next generation that war has a price, and that is best served by seeing the level of destruction in place. And, unlike videogames, board games are not easily "state restored" to a save point... Which helps to bring the questions that lead to understanding (Not of need agreeing) with the social construct of the Just War; one which has been a driving force in US Politics (despite the majority of christian sects not supporting a Just War theory).

Games are the safest way to teach this lesson. I am shocked and disappointed that an academician would suggest censoring a game that can be used educationally.

    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Wed, 21 March 2007 21:06
AK_Aramis wrote on Wed, 21 March 2007 15:42

As a eory).

Games are the safest way to teach this lesson. I am shocked and disappointed that an academician would suggest censoring a game that can be used educationally.




The point was that the game skips the ugly parts, and glamorizes the rest. I'm a firm believer in gaming in the classroom, but only if it does the job. Agame of project management title "The Final Solution" fails if it doesn't mention Jews are being sacrificed.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Mon, 26 March 2007 21:09
Isn't that where the professor steps in? I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Colisseum hosted not only the barbary and savagery that you mentioned but also reenactments, performances, and the like? If you want to take the game Colisseum and use it as an lesson in its entirety, then I think you're correct in saying it's terrible. But I generally believe that's true of trying to teach (particularly history) through any one set of eyes.

Can't Colisseum highlight some of the best that came from the era, and act as a counterpoint to the atrocities you mentioned, which could be examined by you as a teacher?

I don't think anyone will take Colisseum and believe that all that happened in that arena was Broadway productions....

Just some rambly thoughts!
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 27 March 2007 09:37
oberjt wrote on Mon, 26 March 2007 11:09

Isn't that where the professor steps in? I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Colisseum hosted not only the barbary and savagery that you mentioned but also reenactments, performances, and the like? If you want to take the game Colisseum and use it as an lesson in its entirety, then I think you're correct in saying it's terrible. But I generally believe that's true of trying to teach (particularly history) through any one set of eyes.

Can't Colisseum highlight some of the best that came from the era, and act as a counterpoint to the atrocities you mentioned, which could be examined by you as a teacher?

I don't think anyone will take Colisseum and believe that all that happened in that arena was Broadway productions....

Just some rambly thoughts!


Any game that shows what was liked about some element is of value for helping to develop a sense of the importance of the coliseum... Which, as you say, can be brought forth with more information.

The executions of christians were, overall, a small and insignificant part of the games to the Romans. They were just another minor anti-imperial sect... to the Romans.

And we have bread and circuses with us still... welfare and Cable. The difference is that we tend not to kill the main attraction.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 27 March 2007 13:34
oberjt wrote on Mon, 26 March 2007 15:09

Isn't that where the professor steps in? I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Colisseum hosted not only the barbary and savagery that you mentioned but also reenactments, performances, and the like? If you want to take the game Colisseum and use it as an lesson in its entirety, then I think you're correct in saying it's terrible. But I generally believe that's true of trying to teach (particularly history) through any one set of eyes.

Can't Colisseum highlight some of the best that came from the era, and act as a counterpoint to the atrocities you mentioned, which could be examined by you as a teacher?

I don't think anyone will take Colisseum and believe that all that happened in that arena was Broadway productions....

Just some rambly thoughts!


You are assuming
1)the classroom environment (the original post addressed the game as a whole, not just as a classroom tool).
2) that the teacher has the historical background to teach the whole subject.

As for the best/worst, that was the point, by ignoring the negative, we whitewash history - "Hitler sure solved his labor shortages in a creative manner."
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 27 March 2007 13:41
AK_Aramis wrote on Tue, 27 March 2007 03:37

oberjt wrote on Mon, 26 March 2007 11:09

Isn't that where the professor steps in? I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Colisseum hosted not only the barbary and savagery that you mentioned but also reenactments, performances, and the like? If you want to take the game Colisseum and use it as an lesson in its entirety, then I think you're correct in saying it's terrible. But I generally believe that's true of trying to teach (particularly history) through any one set of eyes.

Can't Colisseum highlight some of the best that came from the era, and act as a counterpoint to the atrocities you mentioned, which could be examined by you as a teacher?

I don't think anyone will take Colisseum and believe that all that happened in that arena was Broadway productions....

Just some rambly thoughts!


Any game that shows what was liked about some element is of value for helping to develop a sense of the importance of the coliseum... Which, as you say, can be brought forth with more information.

The executions of christians were, overall, a small and insignificant part of the games to the Romans. They were just another minor anti-imperial sect... to the Romans.

And we have bread and circuses with us still... welfare and Cable. The difference is that we tend not to kill the main attraction.


The Christian martyrs are important to me, but the gladitorial games as a whole were slaves forced to combat each other, for the amusement of the crowd. Slavery, violence and slaguter, now THAT's entertainment!

As you mention, the "bread and circuses" concept is not far from us, even today. All the more reason to keep the memories accurate - Rome was 1,700 years ago, Dachau a mere 60 years in the past; we cannot allow ourselves the vanity of assuming that these horrors cannot happen again.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Wed, 28 March 2007 18:28
censorship, no matter the reason, is never justified.

Just as I think Germany is idiotic in how it suppresses any use of the symbologies of the reich, suppression of a game simply because it doesn't point out the horrors one is uncomfortable with is no better that suppressing science because of biblical literalism, or suppressing knowledge of a war to remain in power.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Wed, 28 March 2007 19:28
AK_Aramis wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 12:28

censorship, no matter the reason, is never justified.

Just as I think Germany is idiotic in how it suppresses any use of the symbologies of the reich, suppression of a game simply because it doesn't point out the horrors one is uncomfortable with is no better that suppressing science because of biblical literalism, or suppressing knowledge of a war to remain in power.


You have confused dissent with censorhip. Censorship is when those in authority block expression. I'm simply saying the game is in poor taste. I have never advocated anyone preventing DoW publishing whatever they want.

Now if you want to see censorship, check with ID scientists who are censored by the academic commuity. Shocked
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sat, 31 March 2007 14:48
[quote title=ColtsFan76 wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 00:46]Man, Jim's so old, he's buyng Colosseum because it brings back the memories of when he was a Gladiator! When he talks of the 60's and 70's - he means just that - 60 AD - not 1960!

Razz (couldn't resist!)
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Just saw this!!!

ColtsFan76, what do you mean AD?

Just to keep everyone right, I've altered my "signature"

Very Happy
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Sat, 31 March 2007 18:56
ID scientists aren't censored - it's just that their viewpoint doesn't stand up to scrutiny. But this isn't an ID debate, and I wonder why it was raised.

Others have already made the point that the Colosseum was used to host all sorts of events, and executions and gladiatorial combat to the death was just one aspect. But if you insist on learning your history from Hollywood, you might not realise that.

But what really worries me - more than any wrong-headedness, thoughts of censorship, arguments about the justification of wars et cetera, is the idea that somehow Colosseum is a legitimate classroom teaching aid. It isn't. It's a boardgame. I don't imagine for one moment that DoW would hold it out as being some sort of working model of Roman entertainments, such that it has any legitimacy in a history classroom. Perhaps, just maybe, it might teach some lessons of economics, but I doubt it.

To sum up, it's a freaking game. Nothing more, nothing less. Knickers need not be gotten into a twist about this.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 03 April 2007 06:30
rsjrev wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 09:28

AK_Aramis wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 12:28

censorship, no matter the reason, is never justified.

Just as I think Germany is idiotic in how it suppresses any use of the symbologies of the reich, suppression of a game simply because it doesn't point out the horrors one is uncomfortable with is no better that suppressing science because of biblical literalism, or suppressing knowledge of a war to remain in power.


You have confused dissent with censorhip. Censorship is when those in authority block expression. I'm simply saying the game is in poor taste. I have never advocated anyone preventing DoW publishing whatever they want.

Now if you want to see censorship, check with ID scientists who are censored by the academic commuity. Shocked


You came across as if demanding it be pulled.

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Will the sequel be Sim Death Camp? How about an RTS of Hitler’s Final Solution?

It would be different if the game really dealt with the subject matter, but to whitewash the atrocities and make a kiddie game? I don’t think so.

But hey, it’s just a game, right?


But then again, far too many use "poor taste" as an excuse to see something banned, at least in American Politics.

Your drawing comparisons to wholesale slaughter instead of the occasional slaughter of persons who HAD committed crimes....

Let's just say, I find your assertions AND allusions to be ridiculous in the absolute lack of understanding of Rome.

Rome, where failing to acknowledge the Emperor's divinity, unless one was a Jew, was in fact a criminal offense. Where a Christian was not a criminal inherently, but by virtue of their faith requiring them to not obey the civil government's laws...

To the average Roman, I doubt they gave much thought at all as to why these pacifists were being fed to lions (and there is little evidence of it in Roma Civitas, but plenty in other locales).

Yes, the coliseum was a brutal place. But decrying the game and accusing it of being pro-Nazi, for whom the crime was not based upon some preextant law, but upon making new laws specifically to allow genocide...

I need to stop now... but suffice it to say I am disgusted by your attitude AND your backpedaling.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 03 April 2007 13:44
AK_Aramis wrote on Tue, 03 April 2007 00:30

rsjrev wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 09:28

AK_Aramis wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 12:28

censorship, no matter the reason, is never justified.

Just as I think Germany is idiotic in how it suppresses any use of the symbologies of the reich, suppression of a game simply because it doesn't point out the horrors one is uncomfortable with is no better that suppressing science because of biblical literalism, or suppressing knowledge of a war to remain in power.


You have confused dissent with censorhip. Censorship is when those in authority block expression. I'm simply saying the game is in poor taste. I have never advocated anyone preventing DoW publishing whatever they want.

Now if you want to see censorship, check with ID scientists who are censored by the academic commuity. Shocked


You came across as if demanding it be pulled.

Quote:

Will the sequel be Sim Death Camp? How about an RTS of Hitler’s Final Solution?

It would be different if the game really dealt with the subject matter, but to whitewash the atrocities and make a kiddie game? I don’t think so.

But hey, it’s just a game, right?


But then again, far too many use "poor taste" as an excuse to see something banned, at least in American Politics.

Your drawing comparisons to wholesale slaughter instead of the occasional slaughter of persons who HAD committed crimes....

Let's just say, I find your assertions AND allusions to be ridiculous in the absolute lack of understanding of Rome.

Rome, where failing to acknowledge the Emperor's divinity, unless one was a Jew, was in fact a criminal offense. Where a Christian was not a criminal inherently, but by virtue of their faith requiring them to not obey the civil government's laws...

To the average Roman, I doubt they gave much thought at all as to why these pacifists were being fed to lions (and there is little evidence of it in Roma Civitas, but plenty in other locales).

Yes, the coliseum was a brutal place. But decrying the game and accusing it of being pro-Nazi, for whom the crime was not based upon some preextant law, but upon making new laws specifically to allow genocide...

I need to stop now... but suffice it to say I am disgusted by your attitude AND your backpedaling.


First, you have taken this discussion to personal insults, and that is inappropriate. Please remain civil.

No, I did not "demand" the game be pulled. Demanding the game be pulled would be demanding the game be pulled! I never used the word "ban", and would not. Others have inserted that into the discussion. I oppose censorship, but do indeed practice dissent. My record on freedom of expression is quite healthy, thank you. Likewise my knowledge of ancient manners and customs.
At no point did I suggest DoW was pro-NAZI, that is absurd.

Your point that Rome considered the victims of the Games to be criminals is moot. Hitler's government likewise declared his victims to be criminals - Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, etc. Declaring innocent people to be criminals does does not justifiy evil actions against them. Ask Amnesty International.

You opinion of my "attitude" is your privilidge, though it seems to be an attitude you have imposed as a straw man arguement.

Backpedal? I have not changed my opinion, that the game is in poor taste and whitewashes an ugly part of history. Which was my first statement.

    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 03 April 2007 18:56
I think this discussion should be taken elsewhere. The announcement by DOW has been hijacked. If you want to make a statement, don't buy the game. If you want a debate, go elsewhere.
    
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Re:Days of Wonder announces newest board game - Colosseum! Tue, 03 April 2007 19:33
We have purposely stayed out of this discussion, as in general we like to let members of the community express their views about our games, both positive and negative. But when the tone becomes uncivil it's time to step in. Sad

Because the thread has now moved so far off topic and is generating such animosity, I am locking it and moving it to the off topic folder.

Thanks,

    
   
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