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dbc- wrote on Sun, 28 October 2007 12:16

Panic Loss is a product of morale. Since morale has nothing to do with Pushback, there is no reason to check for losses. See this thread, regarding Giant vs. Spider: http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=100293#msg_100293 I believe, Toddrew, you have done the incredible feat, to answer your own question long before it was asked...

Hey, with 400 odd posts, bound to happen But, not this time I should have provided a concrete example of when the question came up. In a rousing game between cedrox and I a red banner goblin foot unit attacked a Hill Giant. The goblin troop was unsuccessful and the battle back from the Hill Giant yielded a lore. Pushback ensued. So the question was: does the controller of the Hill Giant roll a panic check against the Goblin unit due to its retreating? We decided it should happen. The resulting hit didn't affect the ultimate outcome of the game, but may have made the end result a little closer. It was one of those games that could have ended on either of the players' last turns. The best of the games, methinks

[Updated on: Mon, 29 October 2007 12:40]

So, probably digging a deeper hole here, but the referenced post was about whether a goblin unit would retreat 4 hexes per pushback (or, so I interpreted what was being asked there), to which the answer would be no. But, since the goblin unit is frightened (though interesting what would happen if Fearless had been played...) and the pushback causes retreats, it would seem to follow that the retreating frightened goblins would be subject to a panic roll @ 1d per hex retreated. Round and round the mulberry bush

EDIT: freudian slip mopped up

[Updated on: Tue, 30 October 2007 07:02]

I can certainly go along with that, panic checks only on frightened units retreating from rolled flags (lore rolled from a card like Terrified being treated as flags rolled). Imminently reasonable assumption from a reading of the rules. The very reason I initially thought no panic check would occur. But the more I thought about it the more I was unsure.

How many hexes a unit retreats from a pushback is not a product of morale, is what I am sure about (even before that thread, but definitely after it as well ). I think it is less clear whether panic losses are checked whenever a frightened unit is forced to retreat, even from means not caused by rolled flags. Until I hear/see differently, I'll be playing that panic checks only occur on retreats from rolled flags (or lore explicitly said to be treated as a rolled flag [well, you know what I mean - as this is where it gets grey to me], ie Terrified at this point being the only such case).

[Updated on: Tue, 30 October 2007 13:25]