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céro
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That's exactly the big question that remains: What will happen with the french & german players? Is FFG willing to coordinate the outcoming of future Expansions with Ubik and "Heidelberger Spieleverlag" or not?
If not, then I suppose, many of the french / german players will sooner or later leave BL - and this would be the beginning of the end for french and german BL.
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yangtze
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céro
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Fri, 22 August 2008 11:18
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I know the feeling of having to play with translated stuff from Mem44 - I knew this when I bought Mem44 - so this was and is ok. I do not expect a german translation of Mem44 neither.
But with BL it is different: I bought it also because it is available in german and i had the feeling to be treated equally with all the others players round the globe.
If this was no more the case, I'd have no Prob. translating the rules or what ever - but I'd feel let down and this would take a lot of fun playing the game, knowing deep inside that it could have been better ....
I surely hope FFG will take care of the non-english-speaking BL-Players!
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Maimed
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Fri, 22 August 2008 11:41
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Battlelore / M'44 has been holding back stuff for FFG release.
A new company wants to show that they can do it and all the stuff that was talked about will be release VERY soon fromm FFG.
THey have to show the gamers that they ae do'ers, not talkers.
100% we will see new stuff VERY soon from them
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Fri, 22 August 2008 12:52
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This is a win-win all round! DoW can devote more resources to developing M44 and Ticket to Ride, While FFG gets a mature gaming system which can continue to grow despite the increased plastic costs.
DoW have showed tremendous business savvy with this move, and hopefully post trnasition, can really come out all gund firing with some awesome expansions for M44 and other games. Also it may mean that the rumoured Command and Colours Napoleonic Game may actually see the light of day 
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céro
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Fri, 22 August 2008 13:06
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I totally agree with you, Céro.
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yangtze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 13:23
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I can't imagine Dow selling the Troll expansion for 4 days in the Euro store and then suddenly giving them away free to those that pre-ordered if they had know that this deal was imminent.
Unless they simply wanted to reward their truly loyal fans of course 
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céro
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Fri, 22 August 2008 14:24
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 21 August 2008 22:28 |
I guess that we'll probably never know the answer to this question, but I wonder how long this sale was in the works. Everything on the website last week about the expansion implies that DOW was with BattleLore for the long haul. The Epic Adventure map is set up as a series of Adventures.
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Yup, no idea if this will ever be revealed, how long this was being considered before acted upon, but I think it's probably been kicked around for sometime, though DoW was certainly (in appearance anyway) pushing forward with the game.
I was excited about "BattleLore Fest" going to Gencon, as it was billed as an announcement of the future of BattleLore. Other than the Troll and paper maps being played (and Richard Borg being there, who meeting was one of the highlights for me), nothing was talked about. No Troll and Country sets were available. A shipping mishap was given as the reason, and gullible, trusting me took that at face value, though it didn't sound right. Seems like it was known at that time that this conclusion was near, but perhaps it was just one more straw upon the camel's back.
Regardless, I know I am in the minority here, but I've been just fine with the slow pace that the game has been expanding. Probably in the minority here as well: I felt that it was being done well in the sense that everything released fit very well with the game. I attributed the time it was taking to release to care that the game developed cohesively, limited resources, and response to customer/distributor/retailer wants and desires. I was not interested in a sprawling game for the sake of "new" being constantly marketed. More interested in a solid gaming system being brought out that allowed a firm foundation upon which gamers could customize freely and easily. I felt that DoW was doing this, albeit patiently 
I was looking forward to seeing where the paper map expansions and online play were going to take the game.
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I wonder if the public outcry pushed DOW to sell BattleLore. Don't know if that's good or bad...
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It had to be a main factor. I think if DoW's perception of the public response had been of one that voiced its concerns, yet was patient with DoW to grow DoW's vision of the game, rather than the perception of one that was exiting due to disillusionment the sale to FFG might not have happened. But, maybe it just became apparent to DoW that this type of game system is not one that they were suited to produce.
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I'm still cautiously optimistic, but anxious to see how FFG answers some of these questions.
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Pretty good approximation of how I feel - though less anxiety perhaps. I am more than happy to play everything that is out now, and look forward to expanding the game myself if it is ever dropped by all publishers. Though, don't look forward to the loneliness that will surely accompany that 
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gheintze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 15:45
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| toddrew wrote on Fri, 22 August 2008 08:24 |
Regardless, I know I am in the minority here, but I've been just fine with the slow pace that the game has been expanding. Probably in the minority here as well: I felt that it was being done well in the sense that everything released fit very well with the game. I attributed the time it was taking to release to care that the game developed cohesively, limited resources, and response to customer/distributor/retailer wants and desires. I was not interested in a sprawling game for the sake of "new" being constantly marketed. More interested in a solid gaming system being brought out that allowed a firm foundation upon which gamers could customize freely and easily. I felt that DoW was doing this, albeit patiently
I was looking forward to seeing where the paper map expansions and online play were going to take the game.
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I agree completely. I still haven't made it through all the expansion scenarios and really liked the atmosphere and world they were setting up.
I'm concerned that FFG will change the "attitude" (for lack of a better term) of BattleLore to something more dark and serious. Right now, I'm comfortable playing BattleLore with my 9yr old. There's dwarves on cattle, which he thinks is cool and amusing!!
I have also seen it suggested that they take BattleLore into the Runebound world or release an adventure game in the BattleLore world or any other combination with their other game systems. One person even suggested a BattleLore RPG!!!
If I had wanted any of those things, I would have bought Runebound, Descent, WOW:The Adventure Game or an RPG. I like BattleLore for what it is and how Days of Wonder was developing it.
I'm also concerned that FFG will go overboard -- there are a seemingly gazillion Runebound card decks etc... I'm not sure my bank account could handle it.
Lastly, I really like DOW's website. It's easy to navigate and I know my way around. I have always found FFG's site to be a little more difficult to use. It was nice for me as a M'44 and BattleLore fan that things were similar for both systems. I'm just not sure what to expect or how to feel about this...
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ColtsFan76
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Fri, 22 August 2008 15:55
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One of the problems with FFG is they won't be bound be the original vision for long. I suspect it will eventually get a bit darker as new races are introduced. But I suspect that might have happened eventually anyway as DOW ran out of "friendly" version of these fantasty creatures.
But FFG does have some very similar titles and they seem to be able to keep them distinct. I think they will be able to keep BattleLore as Battlelore (but admittedly, I am not quite sure what that means).
What remains to be seen is how involved they keep Richard Borg. They may havd this over to a "game manager" in house. Kind of like what they did with Richard Lanius and Kevin Wilson with Arkham Horror. Lanius, as the orignal designer seemed to have heavy imput in the base game but the expansions and general direction of the big box expansions seem to be under Kevin's complete control. And some of the small box were managed by a 3rd person.
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Fri, 22 August 2008 16:27
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It is true that the present state of Battlelore correspond to what I really want. I don't want any other "dark-fantasy" type wargame, and Battlelore is quite unique in this field: colorful, funny characters, brilliant artwork.
FFG has more dark-type games, and I really hope they will keep the DOW vision of the game, in term of General atmosphere.
If the atmosphere goes darker, I'm afraid I won't be interested anymore into it...
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Fri, 22 August 2008 16:54
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To European players who pre-ordered the Troll map:
FYI, we refunded your credit card today. As explained in the FAQ, you will receive the Troll map for free when it arrives in Europe.
Depending on your bank and your country, it may take between a few days and a few weeks to see the refund appear on your bank statement. So be patient.
Again, thank you for your support,
Yann
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yangtze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 17:38
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I'm 100% with those that hope FFG don't darken up or otherwise ruin our Battlelore. For what it's worth, if it's changed beyond recognition, or simply becomes an exploited cash cow and no longer a vigorously supported and vibrant game system, you can at least rely on the fansite named below to remain a bastion of all things Battlelore as we know and love it
I daresay keepers of other known fansites feel the same way.
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gheintze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 18:50
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It doesn't look as though FFG has issued any sort of statement on the matter, other than the press release.
When should we start complaining about their communications skills?
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yangtze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 19:44
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LOL
Yes it's been a day already and no new expansions. Grrr! 
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ColtsFan76
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Fri, 22 August 2008 21:00
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| gheintze wrote on Fri, 22 August 2008 11:50 |
It doesn't look as though FFG has issued any sort of statement on the matter, other than the press release.
When should we start complaining about their communications skills?
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Just a suggestion...but maybe until they at least OWN the thing. Transfer isn't taking place until September 1, 2008. I'll be working on my open letter all Labor Day weekend long.
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Fri, 22 August 2008 21:09
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Put me in the camp of eagerly welcoming a shift to more darker-elements in Battlelore!
The conventional battle mechanics have already been explored quite well by Memoir 44 - IMO Battlelore should be allowed to explore the more fantastical sides of combat, and that's not going to happen if they keep pumping out pikemen, dwarves, and goblins.
Bring on the undead!
Braing on the magically-enhanced elven armies!
Bring on more creatures with unique abilities!
This isn't a tournament game - give us scenarios that support fantastical battles like you promised at the beginning of the game! Incorporate heroes and creatures with the mechanics you added to the C&C system speciafically for this game!
Fans have even been making the creatures for you on battleloremaster.com - just go see what creativity and imagination was fired at the beginning of the game.
DoW lost their way, BIG-TIME with Battlelore - it's time to reboot the game, and go back to the beginning promise that so enthused the public.
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gheintze
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Fri, 22 August 2008 21:16
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| ColtsFan76 wrote on Fri, 22 August 2008 15:00 |
| gheintze wrote on Fri, 22 August 2008 11:50 |
It doesn't look as though FFG has issued any sort of statement on the matter, other than the press release.
When should we start complaining about their communications skills?
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Just a suggestion...but maybe until they at least OWN the thing. Transfer isn't taking place until September 1, 2008. I'll be working on my open letter all Labor Day weekend long.
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LOL, I look forward to reading it.
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bitva
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Sat, 23 August 2008 04:14
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One of the problems with FFG is they won't be bound be the original vision for long. I suspect it will eventually get a bit darker as new races are introduced. But I suspect that might have happened eventually anyway as DOW ran out of "friendly" version of these fantasty creatures.
But FFG does have some very similar titles and they seem to be able to keep them distinct. I think they will be able to keep BattleLore as Battlelore (but admittedly, I am not quite sure what that means).
What remains to be seen is how involved they keep Richard Borg. They may havd this over to a "game manager" in house. Kind of like what they did with Richard Lanius and Kevin Wilson with Arkham Horror. Lanius, as the orignal designer seemed to have heavy imput in the base game but the expansions and general direction of the big box expansions seem to be under Kevin's complete control. And some of the small box were managed by a 3rd person.
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This is another major concern of mine. In-house FFG involvement. This should remain a Richard Borg game. FFG in-house has a terrible track record. With Kevin Wilson it's different, I feel he's very good. But with most FFG in-house projects, you can't mention them in my gaming group without someone ranting angrily about them. I hope to God that FFG just leaves Battlelore the way it is. The only thing they should do differently is treat it like the board game it is instead of treating it as a miniatures game like DOW did.
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ColtsFan76
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Sat, 23 August 2008 04:58
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In all honesty, I am not sure how much involvement Richard has with DOW. He obvioulsy contributes but the final polish is all DOW I believe. I honestly think you may have had more hands on DOW involvement than FFG might give it. This is specuilation based on very limited glimpses of things I observed.
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ColtsFan76
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Sat, 23 August 2008 18:29
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1) I would not concern yourself with FFG quality. They can match anything DoW produced.
2) Let's hope it doesn't take that route.
3) Agreed. I enjoy a lot of my games for what they are. But I enjoy some of my games for the community that we have. Threads dry out when there is nothing new to talk about.\
4) I don't think that will be an issue. You still have the same designer. M44 did great on its own and it was the only "live" C&C for a long time. Battle Cry will end up with a different company (prhaps DOW now that they cleared out BL) and Ancients is doing great on its own at GMT.
5) I am concerend with this as well. Maybe we can hope that if/when DOW cranks out the M44 online version, they can sell/license the engine to FFG for BL.
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Sat, 23 August 2008 19:02
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I would like to see replacement/extra figures made available and/or human-only expansion sets. I am interested in more historical-type scenarios and games myself.
We shall see. I wish the Battlelore transfer and it its future, well.
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Sat, 23 August 2008 19:49
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I wonder if they'll bring out more Hill giants for those of us who missed out. (I'd like a second one)
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ColtsFan76
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Sat, 23 August 2008 22:38
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I wonder if they'll bring out more Hill giants for those of us who missed out. (I'd like a second one)
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Well, the mould was part of the purchase as I doubt they destroyed it after they made it. I think it would be good to release the Troll, Earth Elemental, and Hill Giant again (even though I have doubles of the last 2).
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Sun, 24 August 2008 02:30
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| ColtsFan76 wrote on Sat, 23 August 2008 14:38 |
I think it would be good to release the Troll, Earth Elemental, and Hill Giant again (even though I have doubles of the last 2).
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Perhaps a tad greedy of me, but I think if they added another creature or two (or three, four...) that would be a sweet sweet blister pack
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ColtsFan76
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Sun, 24 August 2008 03:43
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| toddrew wrote on Sat, 23 August 2008 19:30 |
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I think it would be good to release the Troll, Earth Elemental, and Hill Giant again (even though I have doubles of the last 2).
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Perhaps a tad greedy of me, but I think if they added another creature or two (or three, four...) that would be a sweet sweet blister pack
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I would like to keep them separate - a tad bit selfish of me - as I really don't want/need a 3rd copy of the last two. I'd rather they be individual so everyone can get exactly what they want without the need to get get stuff they already have.
But once everyone is caught up, yeah I want them [new creatures] released in packs!
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germ
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Sun, 24 August 2008 18:21
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Either way, as long as they're available again, I'd be a happy camper. I'll sell my doubles on EBAY for 18$
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7. Continued treatment of BL as a minis game over boardgame
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Not a rhetorical question at all, but I've heard this a few times over the life of BL: What does treatment as a mini's game over a boardgame mean?
I got back into gaming through HeroScape with my son, and I think the games that capture my attention the most are hybrid board/mini's games such as that and C&C games.
I thought that DoW did a very good job of expanding both the "boardgameness" of BL (through CtA and Epic, and to a lesser extent through HYW and Scottish Wars with Medieval Lore rules) and the "mini's" aspect (with the various figure expansions). I saw Heroes as doing more of the same, expanding it both as a mini's and boardgame, pardon the redundancy, game.
I think that aside from some campaign type rules sets, the boardgame will be pretty well fleshed out after heroes are introduced, and CtA type race expansions being the next logical step.
As much as I was happy to wait on DoW in developing the game in those (or completely different ) ways, I'm excited to see what FFG now does with the game.
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Mon, 25 August 2008 15:15
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Well, this should be interesting. I always enjoy FFG games (except Tannhauser, where I fail to find it remotely fun. $70 bucks??)
DOW, thank you for your time and effort put in on this beautiful game. Although I was in the camp that was very vocal on disappointments, I really respected your craftsmanship, and also when you made things right with replacement dice and cards.
Looking forward 10-15 years, thank you for making my 2 original sets collectible first editions.
For my forum friends, I hope to see you all on FFG forums! Stay together, and look both ways before crossing the street.
Zeal.
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Mon, 25 August 2008 15:26
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Well, this should be interesting. I always enjoy FFG games (except Tannhauser, where I fail to find it remotely fun. $70 bucks??)
DOW, thank you for your time and effort put in on this beautiful game. Although I was in the camp that was very vocal on disappointments, I really respected your craftsmanship, and also when you made things right with replacement dice and cards.
Looking forward 10-15 years, thank you for making my 2 original sets collectible first editions.
For my forum friends, I hope to see you all on FFG forums! Stay together, and look both ways before crossing the street.
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I re registered over at FFG as Zeal (my other FFG id i lurked on Descent and Runebound boards), I look forward to seeing you all populate the new forum.
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7. Continued treatment of BL as a minis game over boardgame
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Not a rhetorical question at all, but I've heard this a few times over the life of BL: What does treatment as a mini's game over a boardgame mean?
I got back into gaming through HeroScape with my son, and I think the games that capture my attention the most are hybrid board/mini's games such as that and C&C games.
I thought that DoW did a very good job of expanding both the "boardgameness" of BL (through CtA and Epic, and to a lesser extent through HYW and Scottish Wars with Medieval Lore rules) and the "mini's" aspect (with the various figure expansions). I saw Heroes as doing more of the same, expanding it both as a mini's and boardgame, pardon the redundancy, game.
I think that aside from some campaign type rules sets, the boardgame will be pretty well fleshed out after heroes are introduced, and CtA type race expansions being the next logical step.
As much as I was happy to wait on DoW in developing the game in those (or completely different ) ways, I'm excited to see what FFG now does with the game.
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What I meant was, I'd like to see BL treated more as a board game, where you buy boxed expansions that expand all aspects of the game, and usually have minis in them anyway, not just packs of minis, or blisters, or any of that, inherent to minis gaming.
So there's a BL forum at FFG now? Been on the FFG boards with this same name for a long time.
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So there's a BL forum at FFG now? Been on the FFG boards with this same name for a long time.
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Not really, basically a thread started by some in the General FFG forum.
And even though the above thread idea is a good one, I just would think that until there was an actual forum for BL, any good ideas might get lost due to NOT having it's own forum. I suspect it will be a couple of weeks before there is even a marketing person assigned to the product line and then more time for the person(s) to get up to speed on what BL is.
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Does this mean we won't get to use the Battlelore User pages? Will FFG continue the project or anything similar?
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ColtsFan76
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Why is this called a FAQ?
It is just Frequently Asked Questions while the abreviation should stand for Frequently Answered Questions.
There is no answered question by either a DoW employee nor a FFG employee.
I see this now more as the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem where we all put little notes between the stones ...
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