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Trucks - how to use them? Tue, 21 October 2008 22:45
Hi everyone,

I don't understand how to use the dodge trucks?
Do you make units of 2 or 3 trucks and can you change these ones with troops when you're next to a damaged unit (every time you put an new infantery unit, you lose one truck) or
Is it just one truck with 2 or 3 infantery units in the same hex making them jump over to the damaged unit?
This is not clear on the card on the latest battle map.

Can anyone help me?

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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Thu, 23 October 2008 11:16
I agree. I haven't played the scenario yet ( got the maps only yesterday), but it wasn't clear to me either unfortuantely. BTW, is the " actual" supply truck card also part of the Air pack expansion? I don't recall having come across it before. Then again there are so many of them that it's hard to remember every single one and besides if you've never needed it, why would you remember. anyway, perhaps someone's got a better meomory than I do. Is it in there?
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Thu, 23 October 2008 15:48
player71615 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 02:16

I agree. I haven't played the scenario yet ( got the maps only yesterday), but it wasn't clear to me either unfortuantely. BTW, is the " actual" supply truck card also part of the Air pack expansion? I don't recall having come across it before. Then again there are so many of them that it's hard to remember every single one and besides if you've never needed it, why would you remember. anyway, perhaps someone's got a better meomory than I do. Is it in there?


My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that each scenario that uses the trucks will tell you how many trucks are in a unit...and you put that many figures together. Those figures move around the board like any other unit.

When you want to "resupply" a damaged unit, the trucks must be adjacent to it. You then trade 1 truck figure for 1 replacement figure and put the replacement with the damaged unit (never above starting value). The healed unit cannot battle the same turn it is healed.

To answer your question about the card...there isn't one out yet for the Trucks, or any of the new things added with the Med. Expansion. DoW has said that updated Card Decks will come out periodically. For now just use the rule book, or download a Player Aid that has the info you need. You can find one on my User Page.

I hope this helps! Have fun with those Overlord scenarios!
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 24 October 2008 12:38
rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 15:48

player71615 wrote on Thu, 23 October 2008 02:16

I agree. I haven't played the scenario yet ( got the maps only yesterday), but it wasn't clear to me either unfortuantely. BTW, is the " actual" supply truck card also part of the Air pack expansion? I don't recall having come across it before. Then again there are so many of them that it's hard to remember every single one and besides if you've never needed it, why would you remember. anyway, perhaps someone's got a better meomory than I do. Is it in there?


My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that each scenario that uses the trucks will tell you how many trucks are in a unit...and you put that many figures together. Those figures move around the board like any other unit.

When you want to "resupply" a damaged unit, the trucks must be adjacent to it. You then trade 1 truck figure for 1 replacement figure and put the replacement with the damaged unit (never above starting value). The healed unit cannot battle the same turn it is healed.

To answer your question about the card...there isn't one out yet for the Trucks, or any of the new things added with the Med. Expansion. DoW has said that updated Card Decks will come out periodically. For now just use the rule book, or download a Player Aid that has the info you need. You can find one on my User Page.

I hope this helps! Have fun with those Overlord scenarios!


I had a better look at the hedgerow hell scenario yesterday and I came to the same conclusion, so that's probably how it is to be played.

Tomorrow I should get my copy of the mediterreanean theatre. Is there sth in there about the supply trucks and re-supply mechanism by any chance? From your post I kind of get that impression....
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 24 October 2008 14:50
player71615 wrote on Fri, 24 October 2008 03:38



Tomorrow I should get my copy of the mediterreanean theatre. Is there sth in there about the supply trucks and re-supply mechanism by any chance? From your post I kind of get that impression....



No, the Mediterranean Theater doesn't include the trucks. That's just in the Hedgerow Hell expansion. The only new "unit" that comes in the Med. Expansion is the new Anti-Tank addition that isn't really a stand-alone unit...they are added to an infantry unit and allow that unit to hit Armor with a Star Roll but also limit their mobility a little bit.

My point in the last post was that we don't get new summary cards for the Trucks or for the new Anti-Tank things with each expansion they come with. We just have to use our Player Aids or the rule books if we want to check the rules.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 24 October 2008 19:48
Hey guys,

Thx for your opinions. In the meantime, I went to Essen and I spoke with Antoine who works with Days of Wonder. He's responsible for the french-speaking part of Memoir. He told me just the same thing as rasmussen and the trucks are only used for the allies! I think other trucks will be available in future expansions, but that's just a wild guess.

Col B Smith
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Sun, 26 October 2008 09:28
Col B Smith wrote on Fri, 24 October 2008 19:48

Hey guys,

Thx for your opinions. In the meantime, I went to Essen and I spoke with Antoine who works with Days of Wonder. He's responsible for the french-speaking part of Memoir. He told me just the same thing as rasmussen and the trucks are only used for the allies! I think other trucks will be available in future expansions, but that's just a wild guess.

Col B Smith


I'm hoping for the same thing, but most of all I hope we'll be seeing additional aircraft figures in future expansions! ( Stuka, french plane, Italian plane, Hurricane, Tomahawk etc.)
      
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  Re:Trucks - how to use them? Tue, 04 November 2008 12:41
We were a bit confused how the trucks should work so here is what we decided:
- to use trucks, they need to be activated like any other unit.
- they can do the replace if they move only 0-1 and if they move 2 they cannot (this was decided because it says that they are treated like infantry and because the movement of trucks (0-2) is the same as infantry has). If on road the movement is extended by 2 so 0-3 movement can replace and 4 movement cannot.
- Medal is awarded for destroyed truck (because they are treated like infantry), which makes having them near the enemy a bit dangerous since they take hit like infantry and they have only two figures in the beginning.

So, any idea how wrong we played? Laughing

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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Tue, 04 November 2008 12:59
raistlin_majere wrote on Tue, 04 November 2008 12:41

We were a bit confused how the trucks should work so here is what we decided:
- to use trucks, we need to be activated like any other unit.
- they can do the replace only if they move only 0-1 and if they move 2 they cannot (this was decided because it says that they are treated like infantry and because the movement 0-2 is the same as infantry has). If on road the movement is extended by 2 so 0-3 movement can replace and 4 movement cannot.
- Medal is awarded for destroyed truck (because they are treated like infantry), which makes using them bit dangerous since they take hit like infantry and they have only two figures in the beginning.

So, any idea how wrong we played? Laughing


Hadn't considered your second point yet ( moving and replacing). Seems to make sense, though...Is there any official word on this yet? I agree the instructions/ rules regarding trucks are a bit vague...
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 00:15
Interesting Question there, Raistlin.

Based on how literal all of the other rules are, my understanding is that the trucks can move the full distance (2 hexes normally or 4 hexes on roads) and can then resupply the troops that need help.

When it talks about being ordered like Infantry, I believe that is only refering to cards like Infantry Assault, Their Finest Hour, Move Out, etc; the trucks are treated like Infantry when ordering, not that they move like Infantry.

Trucks can be destroyed but that's another good question...what symbols are counted as a hit on them? I would agree that they are targeted like Infantry.

Most of this is speculation though! It would be great to have an official ruling on this matter. Hint, hint. Very Happy
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 00:50
Yes, this certainly should be available for clarification. Thats just silly.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 04:10
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 04 November 2008 17:15

When it talks about being ordered like Infantry, I believe that is only refering to cards like Infantry Assault, Their Finest Hour, Move Out, etc; the trucks are treated like Infantry when ordering, not that they move like Infantry.

Not having the trucks, I am not sure of the wording on the rules. However, if it says it is ordered like Infantry, then this should mean that Cards with the word "Infantry" on it would order trucks.

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Trucks can be destroyed but that's another good question...what symbols are counted as a hit on them? I would agree that they are targeted like Infantry.

A die symbol must match in order for a unit to be hit. if a unit does not have a matching die symbol (like artillery), then it is only hit on a Grenade. If it is hit on a Star, it would be very specific. So again, not having my own rule sto look at, butbased on the conversation, this appears how it should be played.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 21:56
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 04 November 2008 15:15

Interesting Question there, Raistlin.

Based on how literal all of the other rules are, my understanding is that the trucks can move the full distance (2 hexes normally or 4 hexes on roads) and can then resupply the troops that need help.

When it talks about being ordered like Infantry, I believe that is only refering to cards like Infantry Assault, Their Finest Hour, Move Out, etc; the trucks are treated like Infantry when ordering, not that they move like Infantry.

Trucks can be destroyed but that's another good question...what symbols are counted as a hit on them? I would agree that they are targeted like Infantry.

Most of this is speculation though! It would be great to have an official ruling on this matter. Hint, hint. Very Happy


Correct interpretations indeed.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 23:40
Eric,
One answer that is not clear for me is: What die roll targets a truck? An infantry symbol or grenade as per normal infantry rules, or is a grenade symbol alone necessary?
Thanks!
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Wed, 05 November 2008 23:46
I'm pretty sure Eric means to say that trucks are hit like infantry (ie. symbol and grenade)...they are also ordered like infantry...in fact, I think the only thing different about them is the movement and battle (oh and their re-supply ability).

I am not an official answer though, just my understanding of them.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Thu, 06 November 2008 00:39
Since Eric said that my speculation was correct, it looks like trucks are targeted just like Infantry (Grenades and Infantry Symbols hit), sence that's the only guess I threw out there.

To recap:

Trucks move 0-2 (0-4 on roads) and resupply damaged units that are adjacent at the end of their turn. This would also mean a damaged Armor Unit can move 3 spaces, the Truck can move 2 spaces and then heal the Armor.

Trucks are hit with a Grenade and Infantry Symbol.

Trucks can be ordered if a card allows Infantry Units to be ordered.

Trucks count as a medal if they are eliminated by enemy fire (not if all of the trucks are used up in resupply).

Did I miss anything on this? Rolling Eyes Cool
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Thu, 06 November 2008 16:34
Brummbär wrote on Wed, 05 November 2008 14:46

I'm pretty sure Eric means to say that trucks are hit like infantry (ie. symbol and grenade)...they are also ordered like infantry...in fact, I think the only thing different about them is the movement and battle (oh and their re-supply ability).

I am not an official answer though, just my understanding of them.


Brummbär is absolutely correct, that is indeed what I meant.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Tue, 11 November 2008 22:41
Thanks eric and rasmussen! This is now fully understood and agreed on my behalf Laughing
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Tue, 30 December 2008 06:28
Another question about trucks, can they resupply artilary as well as other units? The infantry rules sound real good for them. I can hardly wait to get mine and start using them. All of you have been very helpful to me. Tanks
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 20:17
Ok, having gotten around to playing Hedgerow Hell I too now have some queries about how the trucks or more specifically, how the Re-Supply works (I can't see that in the Card database? Am I missing something?).

So a Truck can move 0-2 (0-4 on roads) _and_ then re-supply a unit (any unit I assume as it doesn't specify)?

Does the unit being re-supplied need to be ordered as well?

It does say that the unit being re-supplied (and the unit re-supplying) cannot battle (not that a truck can battle in the first place?)...but it doesn't say anything about it not moving...so one can assume that a unit (say a tank) can move 3 hexes...the truck can move it's alloted move and then end adjacent to the tank and re-supply it?

One oddity we did notice about the map...while it was nice to have the cards printed on the map...there are some repeats on each side (ie. the Re-Supply card)...on the French side of the map, it says for English speaking players to place the English cards on the appropriate card space...however, there is no card for the Trucks or Re-Supply...with the space available, it would've made more sense to have a Truck and Re-Supply card slot on both sides so that English and French could be visible to both (or is this some kind of continuation of the Hundred Years war?) Smile

I love the new Overlord deck BTW! We had a lot of fun playing this one and look forward to the Cadets at Samur on the flip side. Pics to follow...
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 20:27
Just as an FYI... We are working on a stand-alone FAQ PDF sheet for the Trucks. We hope to have it online in a few weeks.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 20:38
eric wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 11:27

Just as an FYI... We are working on a stand-alone FAQ PDF sheet for the Trucks. We hope to have it online in a few weeks.


Thanks Eric...sounds complicated Wink

I guess my replay of Hedgerow Hell will have to wait?
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 20:43
It ain't that complicated. The issue is that we have a few more burning irons in the fire right now. Very Happy
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 21:03
Since they are burning issues, does that mean that they are going to be fire trucks in Memoir 44?


Laughing
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Fri, 16 January 2009 23:29
I think he may be talking about the mysterious images appearing on the DoW news page. So suspenseful!
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Sat, 17 January 2009 00:02
I understand you are busy...but this was released some time ago, why not post the FAQ you have (I'm not worried about how it looks graphically...I just need the info)?

Sorry for putting your feet to the fire...but I don't understand why this hasn't been taken care of already? Can't be that big of a problem...can it?

In the meantime...I'll make do with my interpretations.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Sat, 17 January 2009 00:49
"feet to the fire" - "burning irons in the fire"
Man this is gonna be some HOT stuff!

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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Sat, 17 January 2009 03:45
eric wrote on Fri, 16 January 2009 14:27

Just as an FYI... We are working on a stand-alone FAQ PDF sheet for the Trucks. We hope to have it online in a few weeks.

I hope the manufacturer's warranty on my Dodge trucks will still be valid. Otherwise, for my next truck, I'm buying Japanese! Smile
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Sat, 17 January 2009 04:52
We used trucks at Gen Con and Richard was there to teach us how to use them. To answer one of the questions floating around, the unit being supplied may be ordered and moved -- back to the trucks, for example -- but then may not battle. Not being able to battle is the restriction for units being supplied.
      
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Re:Trucks - how to use them? Mon, 19 January 2009 17:08
Ok if the unit being supplied is ordered and moved, does it take two orders to resupply a unit and move it? One order to move the truck for resupply and the second order to move the resupplied unit?

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