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TuS WhiteTrain
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Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 14:21
CLUB 2K LOOKING FOR ITS MEMBERS

Who made it to a 2000+ 2-player rating?


I know 3 for sure, which are

1. thekid
2. Anu_
3. WhiteTrain

but i think there are more
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davidb9 ?
daedin ?
womble ?
Angel6 ?
toutoune?

anyone else ??????????????????????????????


I know Anu_ hit a 2021, thekid, is there more you can throw in?


White

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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 15:13
I know I hit a least 2028, not sure if I got higher wasn't checking all the time. I'm pretty sure toutoune got higher than that.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 16:07
Hi

Is this something like the mile high club?

erps
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 20:20
erps schrieb am Wed, 12 November 2008 16:07

Hi

Is this something like the mile high club?

erps



Almost Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 20:45
I reached 2000 \o/



But map was swiss and i was provisional :/

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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 12 November 2008 21:20
My records often miss peaks, as I only take them about once a week, but I show the following

davidb9 2011
toutoune 2009
WhiteTrain 2006
Anu_ 2003

I missed kid's peak, and don't have any others above 2000, though Angel was closest.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Tue, 25 November 2008 06:21
Grats to all that have been in this league. Shocked
Has there ever been anyone reach 2000 in multi? Just curious...or what is the highest someone has reached in multi?
I know I am not the one to be able to figure these things out, but I always enjoy reading these posts and finding out all of the crazy information.

Vball
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Tue, 25 November 2008 06:55
Highest I have for multi is

Morphling at 1865
Patterson at 1860
womble at 1847

Some others broke 1800 (including vballman20), and I sample sporadically, so I will miss peaks. Still, 2000 seems out of reach unless the scores drift up remarkably.

After the New Year, I will report on this, as well as the other maps, giving the highest registered scores for each category in the past year.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Tue, 25 November 2008 17:39
Dont know if its of importance but I was at 2005 last year in 2 player ranking...
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 26 November 2008 02:07
Zeno wrote on Mon, 24 November 2008 22:55

Highest I have for multi is

Morphling at 1865
Patterson at 1860
womble at 1847

Some others broke 1800 (including vballman20), and I sample sporadically, so I will miss peaks. Still, 2000 seems out of reach unless the scores drift up remarkably.

After the New Year, I will report on this, as well as the other maps, giving the highest registered scores for each category in the past year.


I know I reached 1842 at one point, don't think I have ever reached higher than that though, not that I know of. I know Patterson was still above me when I reached that score, which would make sense that would have been around the time he was close to that 1860 mark. I didn't think anyone had really gotten above 2000 in multi, but I wondered who had gotten closest or even in the 1900's, but from what you have seen and what I have seen, no one has done that either.
I would guess Patrick and Eva have some of the highest scores, but I also imagine sandra and some others have had some high scores at some point, as I had forgotten about morphling, even though I don't think I have ever played in a multi with him/her.
Thanks again Z,

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Re:Club 2000 Members Wed, 26 November 2008 03:02
182x (not sure exactly) early this year and again next month. Rolling Eyes

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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 04:08
Everybody who posts here can be really proud of himself / herself...you are the heroes of the universe...reaching a top score in an online-boardgame and showing off with that...

Wow...I am truely impressed. Shows a lot about the egos of the players here...especially when those players only dare to open 1600+ or 1700+ 2pl games....

Greetings

MM
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 10:41
So, why is your trollness zealously playing thousands of 2P EU games then ?
Not to reach the nr. 1 spot ? (As you have admitted to many, but feel free to deny here)
Altruism ?
Admiration of the game in its purest form ?

Oh, wait a minute, I see you've just lost 5 games in Europe, dropping significantly in rank, time to start whining about tops, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 11:22
Monstarmaster schrieb am Thu, 04 December 2008 04:08

Everybody who posts here can be really proud of himself / herself...



YES, they can Thumbs Up
PERIOD!

An idea for all those, who will probably never make it to one of those clubs (guess why this comes from me Rolling Eyes ):
Keep a list of all club members whom you could beat in tournaments and smile when you look at it.
But keep it in secret until you have reached a majority - otherwise it might look pathetic Laughing
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 14:32
Lol, mm


Of course, If player reaches something, of cource he is proud of it. And always those who havent reach it, are jelous and complain about proudness.

And other thing about opening games. What is the problem, tops want to play tops. Or how many times you've seen FC Barcelona playing against some 3rd or 4th division team? Except in training matches, but hey tops play unrateds too Wink

And if you have seen many players play against people who they know, (=other tops). But if I have a friend who is maybe a 15xx player or 14xx player, i gladly play with him. But i have no interest to play against someone who cant beat me with skills, i like good matches. And I really dont want to hear any "Why do you block ????!!!111" screaming.

"reaching a top score in an online-boardgame and showing off with that..."

Better than playing thousands of games, and not reaching top, and whining to those who reached
Laughing


And btw. If I remember right, you were #1 in one list also...
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 18:31
yes I was once for a very short time, but I do not go around writing posts about it...

And lol to the jealousy...who plays many US 4pl with even 1300+ or 1400+ players all the time and loses a lot of points through that?

Probably not you, Zimo...
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Thu, 04 December 2008 18:41
So you are hero cause you lose your points to players with less skills than you?
If i get good score because of good playing, i really dont want to lose all of them to low ranked games.
And all others should do the same?

If doing that makes me as happy as you are, maybe I dont want to even try...

[Updated on: Thu, 04 December 2008 18:41]

      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 01:20
To Trucker:

I never denied anything here...I just point out that going around writing posts about how great oneself is should be seen in a controversial light.

Nothing else...

Reaching a top position is one thing...writing posts about it is just ridiculous but matches the impression of many players around.

It s sad that it s only me who has the courage to criticize here. The vanity in this thread should be evident too many more visitors...who decide not to comment...
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 15:22
Dear Monstar!

"Everybody who posts here can be really proud of himself / herself...you are the heroes of the universe...reaching a top score in an online-boardgame and showing off with that..."

When I last checked this whole site was built to people (= players) who are interested in this game.

Further more, these Forums are for people especially interested in TTR discussions (so, not a general chat or a discussion forum). You can check this easily from the upper corner of this page.

And last, this very corner of Forums is for people interested in COMPETITIVE PLAYING (a long word but I am sure you can find it from the dictionary).

Competitive, as I understand it, has a lot to do with points, scores and ranks.

So, what is it that you actually are complaining about????

If these discussions and posts do not interest you or are somehow "off topic" from your point of view, please feel free to not read them.

Simple - is it not?

Juuco





      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 15:35
Hi,
i think i am the latest hero.
Last night i reached No 1 spot on multi with 2021 points.
I played a series of games which encountered all the top players and now fell King.
I am very proud of myself for achieving this position and think it very unlikely i will be over taken.
When i woke up ......... Laughing
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 15:41
Yes Juuco,

it would be simple if a neutral person or a friend of another player points out the remarkable high score of someone else. But when the very person who starts the post is one of the persons being glorified by it, I suspect a bit of vanity behind the motivation. Is this simple enough for you?

If you do not know the word "vanity" please look it up in a dictionary.

The point of this thread was not to just inform everyone, Juuco. Zeno is the man for the statistics and he only posted later on.

So to put it in simple terms for you...It does not only matter WHAT is said in a thread, but it also matters WHO starts the whole thing. And the motivation here is evident I think.

Greetings

MM Dennis

PS: Nice post Speedyzitt...I enjoyed it very much. A bit of humour in the "Hall of Fame" is desperately needed. Laughing

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 15:49
And is there a reason why he cant be proud with his achievement and "show off" with it?

If I had had same score and skills, I'd do same anytime.

Monstarmaster

It s sad that it s only me who has the courage to criticize here.



Its sad that we have one, who is stupid enough to whine always about things like this.

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 16:44
Zimo wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 15:49



Its sad that you are only one, who is stupid enough to whine always about things like this.


Actually i'm quite happy he is the only one. Imagine we had more like that ........ Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 16:45
Well, i meant its sad that we have one.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 17:11
Monstarmaster wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 15:41


PS: Nice post Speedyzitt...I enjoyed it very much. A bit of humour in the "Hall of Fame" is desperately needed. Laughing


Unfortunately both my and Zimo's sense of humour are entirely wasted on you mm. Too bad, you could have such a good time when you would realize Zimo's reference to your nr. 1 spot actualy has to do with Angel's biggest TTR addict fruitcake ranks for playing 9000 games this year. Shocked

I'm afraid looking up irony in the dictionary will not suffice, but a meek attempt to insult me in the lobby might yield some more study material. Twisted Evil

My top rank in Europe was 1971 btw, have fun with that. Maybe playing another 60 newbs per day will get you somewhat closer. Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Fri, 05 December 2008 17:36]

      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 18:57
oh i've missed this thread for some time and so many post to read.

and it all comes to this... those who are good enough (in rank, points) must be proud. i would be also if i was rank 1 or won the NC for example. so please just do what u do best, play whinne and win vs low rank players. not that it matters. i think reaching num1 is a goal for many and there are many ways of getting that.

another thing many users havent reached the num1 spot still their game skill is recognized by all. there the proof that ranks are not the ultimate goal still those u have it can rub it as many times as they want.

p.s yes i want rank 1. hihihi
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 19:18
Truckerteller schrieb am Fri, 05 December 2008 17:11

My top rank in Europe was 1971 btw

wow, thats amazing, almost as good as my 1972, which I hold for 10 minutes at 3:1 vs Patterson Smug
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 19:53
I WAS SOOOOOOOOOOO AFRAID OF THAT YOU FRIGGIN' B****** Rolling Eyes

NEED TO AIM FOR 2000 NOW... Twisted Evil

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 21:17
Oh Truckerteller and Angel,

my games are usually open to EVERYONE as you know. If you do not have the courage to join them it is not my problem. I play PenguinPower, Sysyphus, John_, Black Fox etc. regularly and (all in all) this has not been detrimental to my score at all if I may say so...they are not exactly rookies though (I hope we agree there).

The question WHO joins my games depends on the people who are available in the lobby at a specific time too...as you know I am in the States at the moment and can only play in the evenings after work (so around midnight CET). So please do not tell me that I only play rookies etc. SOMETIMES there are NOT even rookies joining the game for minutes as it is 4 am in Europe and many American players (who are good players) prefer the US map.

I do recall that we are pretty evenly matched Trucker...you might check our history. It is ironic that the very persons who note that I play against weaker opponents (and a lot of people are weaker than me concerning the EU score as not everybody can be top 20) do not really feel the urge to risk their precious points against me...of course it s just my "bad" behaviour... this is always a "good" excuse not to play. Until very recently I even played EU 4pl games (you might check that). Did you risk that lately??? I doubt it.

You, Truckerteller, choose certain opponents whose style pleases you (as you know it by heart) and play/win against them while not playing against some others.

I remember you complaining about Drakestorm in a post when he was EU No.1...he would only play once every 2 weeks to keep his top ranking and refuse to play otherwise...when you reached the top position you did exactly the same...I would consider that as hypocritical to put it mildly.

Try to base your judgment on facts as well if you criticize me for being too emotional or rash...otherwise your theories sound a bit lame. Besides me there is only one good player who accepts (at least very often) all kind of person in 2pl games: Anu_. All the others are very selective to increase their chances to keep / improve their score.

Greetings

MM Dennis

PS: TO BE ACCURATE:...I have not played a lot during the last 3 to 4 weeks and I never played 60 matches a day (especially not against newbies). On days where I played let us say 30 matches there were all kind of players involved...e.g. the very good players named above, players who are not really bad in EU like Surly, Princessclams or Tinkerbell...and also players I do not know at all (and whose ranking I do not know). I just play against them, I do not check their profiles all the time.

But one thing is remarkable: ALMOST EVERYONE I play against is a fast player - please note that I only start 5 karma games - so the argument being presented very often that lower ranked players play too slowly is NOT true. I can tell that after many 2pl games against medium and low ranked players.

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 22:13
Not sure why you mention Angel here, as the whole post is re me Laughing

Pls check your stats in the Erps tool, they are weak against almost every player in the EU top 40 Rolling Eyes

Pls check your stats against me there as well Rolling Eyes

I'm afraid you'll just never succeed monstar Sad

Drakestorm was nr 3 at the time, and pls reread the post and get your fact straight, I'm perfectly fine with him trying to rank tops in the Zeno ranks and I played both tops and weaker opps when reaching Eu nr. 1 thereafter, so wrong again...

"choose certain opponents whose style pleases you"
Hahaha, the only player I'm not playing is YOU, and your style pleases me most, as it's pretty lame Twisted Evil

So, you're comparing yourself to Anu_ now? When you loose against all tops?

"But one thing is remarkable: ALMOST EVERYONE I play against is a fast player"
Wow monstar, really remarkable, amazing even, but what's the point? Maybe you can drop some more names in your posts, I'm sure everybody's real happy with that...

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 22:32
Monstar stop talking crap.

All can play how they like, accept it. Why someone here should do something which he doesnt like. Not your problem even someone is playing only 1700+ games?

You seem to try find heroes like Anu and sometimes even yourself, who you think are Gods because they play against all players. Then you assume that all others should act same way?

Then after loosing points playing against all players, you come to say to forum that you are true hero, becuase you give points to them and not protect your score.

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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 23:02
Monstarmaster wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 21:17



Besides me there is only one good player who accepts (at least very often) all kind of person in 2pl games: Anu_. All the others are very selective to increase their chances to keep / improve their score.



Just for the record: i'm not claiming to be really good, but if you are good, then i'm too Cool and i have NEVER opened a xxxx+ game so far in my career.
I've played over 11.000 games and i would guess at least 10.000 of these have been against much lower rated players. I just open a game and see who joins.
And if i am allowed to call everyone i consider a stronger player than you "good" there are actually quite a lot of good players who play regularly against all comers ...... Rolling Eyes

By the way: that doesn't imply any criticism of those who like to play 1600+ (or whatever restrictions) games. There is no right or wrong about this.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Fri, 05 December 2008 23:11
Facts

Anu is "always" top10
Anu probably has high win ratios vs vast majority of all top/really good/good/low ranked players
Anu only plays USA

where do u relate to Anu?
Laughing
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 00:51
sigh.

You know what guys? It really shouldn't be such a big deal. I mean it isn't like anyone is so concerned about their ranking that they would actually cheat because they wanted to "protect" their ranking is it?

Or that someone wanted to be so proud of being a top in a online board game that they would ask someone who was about to beat them in a game to purposely take multiple tickets and lose and then they would let them win other times on other types of maps....

See, those types of things would be what is actually pathetic. Not just playing vs. tops (which is harder to gain points by than just playing anyone who joins), or posting on the forum what score you managed to achieve.

As long as neither of the first two things are going on then why worry about what people want to post about? Does it affect your daily life? If not then why comment on it?

And for the player with the one comment about it taking "courage" to criticize... I think you are very mistaken about what courage is. It takes ZERO courage to criticize. Criticism is one of the easiest things in the world to do. It takes a great deal more courage and character to NOT criticize actually. I wish more of us (including myself from time to time) would truly learn that.

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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 04:00
OK Baron,

you have a point. I will stop criticizing here and just enlighten my dear friend truckerteller about some facts and give a brief answer to Mr. Bean, too.

1.) If my style is so lame, Truckerteller, I wonder why you lost 42 out of 97 games against me in 2008...I would guess a lame player should only be able to win 20, maximum 30 games against you. I also do not understand why Marschall Vorwärts (who is in the EU top 20 as well) would lose 22 out of 34 games against me. I do not want to analyze the statistics any further (with exception of a short remark below in 2.))

2.) I did not compare myself to Anu_. She is a far better US-player even though I won 3 out of 6 two-player US-games that I played against her in 2008. I just wanted to say that I consider myself a decent EU map player, but certainly not the best. This honour I would give to psteinx any day. His playing skills amazed me a lot; he is flexible, inventive, creative and especially an excellent blocker. He won 45 out of 67 games against me.

3.) To give you my very simple definition of a "good" player, Mr. Bean: Every player who has a score beyond 1600+ overall points most of the time is a good player for sure. This definition will of course include many TTR-players, but then again there are many good players in my view.

And this is NOT an exclusive definiton. I think there are some really good players out there who do not have a score of 1600+ (normally) because they play many 4pl games or because they do not concentrate perfectly in every single game as they are more relaxed than others and do not care about their score that much...

Final remark: This will be my last post here. Everybody should note that I respect my opponents even though I might be unfriendly at times or complain after games...I would never call the style of another top 20 player lame just because I happen to have won more games against him/her than viceversa. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I would describe myself as efficient when it comes to colour-management and route organisation while I am not a good blocker. Others (who are good blockers) might block too much on the other hand which can cost them the game in certain situations (especially in EU-games where there is the option of building stations). Playing styles differ...and this is what makes this game interesting in my opinion.

Greetings to the 2000k players. But the question remains whether it must have been advertised in a special thread or whether checking the erps / Zeno statistics might have been sufficient for everyone to get this information about the respective players.

MM Dennis

PS: Happy Santa Claus Day to everyone....to my few friends and my many many enemies. Besides, a "good" enemy is always preferable to a bad friend.

Smile

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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 09:49
I agree that it is harder not to criticize; for this reason I will attempt to be constructive and fair.

I have not been keeping up on the forum threads this week very diligenty so i just took a moment to read this thread. So I will share a few thoughts on this while I am thinking about it.

1) First of all congratulations to all those who have achieved a good score. It shows some smarts and ability to get that score and you should be proud.

2) In my opinion and for me personally points really are not that important. Sure, I'd like to be a 1600 or 1700 player but with the amount of time i play and the types of games I play i realize that this may be off in the horizon (at best) for me. And that's ok for me. So this talk back and forth about the picky ratings scores and playing only specific people/ratings/etc. are hard for me to appreciate. Sharing a score to celebrate success is one thing, using it to "bring others down" is not my style at best. I imagine there are many others like me out there too in regards to this.

3) I see there are still those "personal" attacks happening. In this competitive forum I would wish for that NOT to occur; we have a fairly good community happening here folks. We should be looking for ways to build each other up not tear each other down.

So Truckerteller when I see things like "I'm afraid you'll just never succeed monstar" and "your style pleases me most, as it's pretty lame" and "Oh, wait a minute, I see you've just lost 5 games in Europe, dropping significantly in rank, time to start whining about tops, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" it doesn't sit right with me at all.

And Monstar's "writing posts about it is just ridiculous" and "Is this simple enough for you?" just strike me as being not necessary.

So tell me what good will come out of that type of talk? Being relatively neutral on this topic really leads me to believe that we are still having these non-productive and possibly even hurtful types of posts occurring.

If I look at the original intent of this thread I think it was to acknowledge the success of players who have reached a specific rank -- it appears to have changed somewhere along the way (with monstar's first post according to what I read) into some controversial topic? We should try to get it back to what it was originally intended for.

I hope I have not been too critical as my intent was only to share my opinion on this topic and to remind that we can be a good community or a community in dissension. I prefer the first.

Sincerely,
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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 10:17
Hi express,

I understand your opinion, and of cource you are right, there is no need to be unpolite or say something bad to someone else.

But there is a limit. I've had enough and probably Trucker also.
Maybe if you knew all details, your opinion would be different.
There are reasons why many people dont want to play with him even they use to do it.
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 14:27
Monster,

Your 1, 2 and 3 are strange facts, if they are facts at all.

I can type it in very tiny letters : your points don't even have the appearance of being facts.

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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 18:11
Quote:


Besides me there is only one good player who accepts (at least very often) all kind of person in 2pl games: Anu_. All the others are very selective to increase their chances to keep / improve their score.


Quote:


To give you my very simple definition of a "good" player, Mr. Bean: Every player who has a score beyond 1600+ overall points most of the time is a good player for sure. This definition will of course include many TTR-players, but then again there are many good players in my view.



I can not - however hard i try - read anything else in this but that MM seems to be saying that there are only 2 1600+ players who don't play solely against very select (i.e. more or less equally strong) opponents.
Of course this is such complete rubbish that it's hardly worth even mentioning it, so all i will say is : I rest my case ....
      
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Re:Club 2000 Members Sat, 06 December 2008 22:44
Hey folks,

just want to make clear that winning 22 of 34 games against me really is no good record. If I am top 20 on the EU-map it is due to low competition - especially compared to the standard US-game.
Unfortunately, the person that continuously likes to adorn himself with other players (whether it concerns friends, enemies or opponents) won't have any chance to improve his record. His vita will be blemished by this poor result all time as I won't stop ignoring him. And this is what I strongly recommend to all of you. Your living standard will rise significantly! Believe me! And btw it is much more effective than insulting or something like that.
Nevertheless I am a strong supporter of the freedom of opinion. So we should endure even unendurable statements. It is up to us to stop trying convincing the inconvincibles.

One more important thing: I really really want to assert that Germans are NOT like that certain person altough he might meet all your negative prejudices about my people.

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Greets
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