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  Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 15:25
Here comes the second installment in the Battle Maps Series!

The Tigers in the Snow expansion features 2 large-scale ready-to-play Overlord Scenarios, 6 Tiger Tanks miniatures and 2 bonus scenarios.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/wp-content/dow-uploads/2009/03/mm_op2_map.jpg


Tigers in the Snow is a Winter scenario set on the Eastern Front and features the tactics of famed German Panzer General Guderian; while Operation Market Garden focuses on General Montgomery's bold attempt to drop Allied troops behind German lines in the Netherlands. The Market Garden scenario is fought on a unique 11-hex deep map, specially designed by Memoir '44 author Richard Borg for the occasion.

The Battle Map series is designed to encourage team play and accommodates up to 8 players; each map comes ready-to-play with all terrain, obstacles and unit positions pre-printed, making set-up a snap. Battle Map Volume 2 includes 6 new Tiger Tank miniatures and 2 additional bonus scenarios that are playable on a regular Memoir '44 board - Villers-Bocage and St-Aignan-de-Cramesnil.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/wp-content/dow-uploads/2009/03/mm_op2_tiger1.jpg


Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2 requires 1 copy of Memoir '44 and the Operation Overlord expansion, or two full copies of Memoir '44 to play. It is expected to be available in May in both North America and Europe. Retail price is $18/¤16.

[Updated on: Mon, 23 March 2009 16:33]

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 16:06
Cool!

When can I preorder it?

I especially like the sentence at the bottom of the game page about purists. I guess I fall into that category Embarassed

Geoff

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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 16:36
The Battle Maps will be released in the 'Official Scenarios' Section?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 16:55
"A bridge too far" Richard Attenborough 1977 Cool
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 17:05
Tiger Tanks!!? Shocked

That should make a lot of people happy! Very Happy I wonder what new rules the Tiger's have... Rolling Eyes Cool
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 19:22
nemesszili wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 08:36

The Battle Maps will be released in the 'Official Scenarios' Section?


Possibly, but most likely as "Classified" scenario (a new format which will ship shortly and which allows for rating and posting AARs for a scenario without revealing all the info about the scenario itself).

More news on this in the coming weeks.

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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 19:32
Tiger...tiger... tiger...tiger....

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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 19:48
But the Cadets of Saumur and the Hedgrow Hell were released! Please release this one too! Very Happy

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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 20:17
Just when you thought it can't get any better - it does!! Very Happy

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 20:40
To my untrained eye, those Tigers look amazing!! Very Happy

But we have some experts out there who always notice the little mistakes...does the Tiger have the right number of wheels? Is the barrel the right length? Rolling Eyes Not that I really care too much, but I know there are some who really look at that kind of thing... Laughing
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 20:54
I see this one is being much better received than the previous one. This is good news!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 21:21
Not to slam the overlord format, but I kinda like this format that there are overlord format as well as regular scenarios to play - thus if one cannot find people to play overlord, it does have regular scenarios to play.

Hopefully future battle maps might continue this trend of both. Since as I stated above, one might not be able to find people to play overlord format.

One question though - for this battle map (#2), does it require the trucks from #1??

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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Mon, 23 March 2009 21:28
Great news.
Looking forward to the Market Garden map!

But I'm not impressed by the Tiger. It looks like somebody step on it! Squezzed together and very small wheels!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 00:26
SlotraceDK wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 13:28


But I'm not impressed by the Tiger. It looks like somebody step on it! Squezzed together and very small wheels!


See, I knew it. I figure that if I can tell it's a Tiger tank, that's all I really need. Personally I don't care if it has the right number of wheels or anything as long as I can tell what it is. Oh well, you can't please them all I guess. Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 01:48
Looking forward to the "Tigers in the Snow"
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 02:23
It does look like a Tiger! But why light gray? Its a German tank, or it is just a generic "Heavy Tank"?
Is it bigger or same size than a normal tank?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 02:29
It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 02:49
Great!!!

eric and your crew are doing fantastic,
Keep up the good work.

Keep feeding this hungry bunch of war lords.

Trumpetman52
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 03:43
Market-Garden. On an extra-large map. With Yanks AND Brits.

Thanks, gang!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 04:05
I like the look of a deeper (11 hex deep) map. I wonder how that will change the game. Rolling Eyes

And I wonder if there are plans to have that kind of deeper map with the Beach board. Maybe some more water hexes for battleship movement.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 11:23
The Tiger looks fine to me:
http://ron.heavengames.com/cpix/library/articles/modelingtutorial/TigerIref.jpg
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 16:10
Rules for the Tigers when will be released?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 17:08
Hmmm... a few more questions.

How much will it cost?

Will there be any new tokens or cards?

Will there be an activation code? (after the laughter dies... sorry had to ask)

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 17:35
I would guess the Tiger rules will be released in that same way the Truck Rules were released. A while after the Battlemap pack and maybe in a nice PDF.

PanzerRunes wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 09:08

Hmmm... a few more questions.

How much will it cost?


$18.00, it's in the press release.

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Will there be any new tokens or cards?


Could be some new cards but not very likely if they're doing the same kind of thing as with the last Battlemap expansion.

Quote:

Will there be an activation code? (after the laughter dies... sorry had to ask)


I doubt it.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 18:43
This is good news indeed. Any info on when we will be able to order our tigers?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 18:48
Franck wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 15:25


It is expected to be available in May in both North America and Europe. Retail price is $18/¤16.



Well, should have read before I posted Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 22:07
Wow Tigers !

This is fantastic news. Good work DOW. I'm already itching to preorder.

As has been said before M44 just gets better and better. This is just the type of expansion I was hoping for.

And just to add my two pence worth the models of the Tigers are fine by me.

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Tue, 24 March 2009 23:21
eric wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 20:59

It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).


Now I wonder what else was in that mould.... Hint Hint... Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 00:02
red_zebra wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 23:21

eric wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 20:59

It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).


Now I wonder what else was in that mould.... Hint Hint... Very Happy


Panthers? Kursk?

Please say "Yes", DOW!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 00:32
eric wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 21:29

It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).


But could not different colored plastic be put into that mould?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 09:25
tank commander wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 23:32

eric wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 21:29

It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).


But could not different colored plastic be put into that mould?


Nah - paint 'em!! Very Happy

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 19:36
Hi everyone,

My brother, Jesse Rasmussen (rasmussen81) just got me into the game and I really like it. He ordered the base game for me and got me a copy of the Campaign book along with the Eastern Front. Now all I need is the Terrain Pack to play all of the Campaigns.

I like the looks of this new expansion and might have to get it right after the Terrain pack. The new tanks look really cool!

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 22:29
Welcome aboard Rasmaster!

I read about this battlemap and then ordered Hedgerow Hell, so now I will need to buy Operation Overlord and preorder this battlemap when it becomes available.

And of course introduce more friends to this game so I can get eight players together for a Overlord session. Currently I have introduced the game to four people, so I only need 3 more.


      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Wed, 25 March 2009 22:31
Achtung Panzer wrote on Wed, 25 March 2009 09:25


Nah - paint 'em!! Very Happy


Do I smell a Tiger painting contest?

Maybe Eric and DoW will provide some kind of prize?



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Tiger! Wed, 25 March 2009 23:43
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Re:Tiger! Wed, 25 March 2009 23:44
The crew made a really bad job of the turret number. Wittmann won't be happy... Smile
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Thu, 26 March 2009 11:07
eric wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 01:29

It is larger than a normal tank. It is grey for the same reasons the trucks were grey (it comes from the same mould).


If i recall correctly King Tigers came into service in 1944 on the eastern front. The main change over the Tiger I was the main guns caliber which allowed it to fire AP shells at greater distance with a slight loss of accuracy at extreme ranges due to the need for targeting correction.

So relating this to memoir 44 it could see the gun fire increase in damage at short distance and the overall range increasing to maybe 4 hexes or more but with a drop in damage at extreme distance. Not sure they would increase the damage at short range to 4 but maybe it will drop to 2 and 1 at 4 and 5 hexes... Well just wildly guessing Smile

I dont care i just want Tiger Tanks Very Happy
      
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King Tiger! Thu, 26 March 2009 11:28
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Royal Tiger

By this time the Russians and allies had upgraded their tanks too, so continue to use the normal Tiger rules if using King Tigers Smile
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Thu, 26 March 2009 14:49
TheMarshalUK wrote on Thu, 26 March 2009 03:07


If i recall correctly King Tigers came into service in 1944 on the eastern front. The main change over the Tiger I was the main guns caliber which allowed it to fire AP shells at greater distance with a slight loss of accuracy at extreme ranges due to the need for targeting correction.

So relating this to memoir 44 it could see the gun fire increase in damage at short distance and the overall range increasing to maybe 4 hexes or more but with a drop in damage at extreme distance. Not sure they would increase the damage at short range to 4 but maybe it will drop to 2 and 1 at 4 and 5 hexes... Well just wildly guessing Smile

I dont care i just want Tiger Tanks Very Happy


I'm impressed; you know your Tiger tank information. I didn't know any of that about Tigers (or King Tigers). I just knew that they were better tanks than had been seen on the battle field.

Based on the past, I would guess that the rules for Tiger tanks aren't going to be be very complex. The beauty of the Memoir system is that it's simple and therefore easy to learn and remember. So I wouldn't look for the rules of a new unit to suddenly become a lot more complex with different ranges and damages based on the range, etc. I would look for elegant and simple rules that recreate a historical effect, just like the current rules.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Battle Map Volume 2: Tigers in the Snow Thu, 26 March 2009 16:14
"I would guess that the rules for Tiger tanks aren't going to be very complex"

Perhaps we'll just be swapping one of the four models in a heavy / special tank unit for a Tiger model?! Smile

      
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