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cptantilles

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Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Thu, 31 December 2009 14:10

I have a question concerning the play of Their Finest Hour. When exactly is the deck and discard pile reshuffled - before or after TFH goes to the discard pile? That is, does TFH get reshuffled and placed in the new draw pile, or does it stay out and form a new discard pile? Thanks! [Report message to a moderator]

Keith685

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Thu, 31 December 2009 16:27

Hello, My understanding is that it is placed on the discard pile and reshuffled with the entire deck of discarded and remaining undrawn cards. Happy New Year Keith. [Updated on: Thu, 31 December 2009 16:27] [Report message to a moderator]

rasmussen81

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Thu, 31 December 2009 16:54

Keith is right. It would be possible, if very lucky, for a player to play Their Finest Hour and then draw it again to play the next turn! Welcome to the forum, gentlemen! In case you haven't already found them, there are some goodies you might like over here, and the official FAQ over here. [Report message to a moderator]

50th

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Thu, 31 December 2009 17:12

I've had it happen! My opponent played it, reshuffled the deck, and played it again on his very next turn! I've been playing this game F2F for almost four years now, and have only had that happen once! Needless to say, I lost that game! [Report message to a moderator]

JWRockets

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Thu, 31 December 2009 18:22

I have not seen it drawn back-to-back, but did see it come up three times in a single scenario. [Report message to a moderator]

JJAZ

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Fri, 01 January 2010 10:28

I always play like this. Discard TFH,and at the end off the turn draw first a card and then reshuffle the deck , is this not the best way? In this way it's impossible to redraw the TFH card in the same turn by the same player. [Report message to a moderator]

sam1812

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Fri, 01 January 2010 14:52

The official answer in the FAQ is that you reshuffle the deck before drawing. [Report message to a moderator]

JJAZ

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Fri, 01 January 2010 22:29

I agree then , i never argue the official fact or Sam. [Report message to a moderator]

stevens

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Fri, 01 January 2010 23:01

You are wise beyond your years Johan!!!! [Report message to a moderator]

sam1812

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Fri, 01 January 2010 23:06

It's easy to be right when simply reporting the answers that are in the FAQ. [Report message to a moderator]

tank commander

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Sat, 02 January 2010 01:54

JJAZ wrote on Fri, 01 January 2010 16:29

...the official fact or Sam. Embarassed

That is very often (but not always) the same Laughing

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cptantilles

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sat, 02 January 2010 08:24

Thanks for the clarification! Our group has been playing the first mini-campaign in the scenario book and having a lot of fun with it. [Report message to a moderator]

djedi gamer

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Tue, 16 November 2010 12:07

Haha! That's way I've got TFH 3 times at one play! [Report message to a moderator]

stevens

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Tue, 16 November 2010 13:27

Welcome to the forums djedi gamer. We welcome your enthusiasm and your discussion. [Report message to a moderator]

Erik Uitdebroeck

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Tue, 16 November 2010 18:16

Personnaly, I can't see the use of reshuffeling. [Report message to a moderator]

Achtung Panzer

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Tue, 16 November 2010 18:23

Erik Uitdebroeck wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 17:16

Personnaly, I can't see the use of reshuffeling.

It adds to the Fog of War and increases the element of unpredictability, essential to a fun game. Very Happy

[Updated on: Tue, 16 November 2010 18:26]

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Erik Uitdebroeck

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Tue, 16 November 2010 18:24

Ok, thanks. [Report message to a moderator]

ad79

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Tue, 16 November 2010 21:56

I just came from Memoir'44 Online and played Sword Beach as the Allies versus JDrommel and drew Their Finest Hour late in the game. After playing it I drew it again a turn later and it helped me win the game. Makes it difficult to be the opponent when you draw TFH several times. Jacques, thanks for 4 fun scenarios. Stig Morten [Report message to a moderator]

tank commander

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Tue, 16 November 2010 22:05

ad79 wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 15:56

I just came from Memoir'44 Online and played Sword Beach as the Allies versus JDrommel and drew Their Finest Hour late in the game. After playing it I drew it again a turn later and it helped me win the game.
Makes it difficult to be the opponent when you draw TFH several times.

Jacques, thanks for 4 fun scenarios.

Stig Morten

It depends on what appears on the "bones" -- I have often only rolled 1 order and whiffing with 4 or 5 rolls is not unheard of. This of course resluts in a wasted turn Shocked

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JJAZ

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sat, 20 November 2010 09:30

Eric Uitdebroek wrote Personnaly, I can't see the use of reshuffeling. Example. you play with air rules and at the game start your opponent starts with the 2 air sorties ,after some turns he played them both and now has only the chance of starting a plane with the air power card to start flying if he draws it. Maybe if you have the TFH card and know after you played it the deck is reshuffled and the air sorties can reappear and help your opponent win the game. just a thought. [Updated on: Sat, 20 November 2010 09:33] [Report message to a moderator]

stevens

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sat, 20 November 2010 13:13

Yes, Johan is speaking with the experience of many battles. It always makes a difference!!! [Updated on: Sat, 20 November 2010 13:14] [Report message to a moderator]

Quit2

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sat, 27 October 2012 21:47

Sorry to re-open this old thread. The question was: do you reshuffle before or after you discard TFH, and people answer with: the faq says you reshuffle before you draw a new card. This still does not answer the actual question. According to the base game rules, the 5th step of a turn is "draw a new command card" this step contains the actions "put your played command card on the discard pile and draw a new command card from the draw pile". When the faq says to reshuffle before drwing a new card, does it mean before the "draw a new card"-step (meaning also before you put the played card on the discard) or right before the "drawing a new card"-action, and therefor after the discard action. My understanding was that you execute a card fully, and only then discard it. The reshuffle is an action on the card, so you do it before you discard the card. Do we actually have a ruling that says if the reshuffle happens before or after the discard? Can someone point me to it? [Report message to a moderator]

Almilcar

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Sat, 27 October 2012 22:09

Hello,

According to FAQ page 41, "Their Finest Hour":

Official FAQ

Q. After playing Their Finest Hour does the player draw before or after the deck and discard piles are shuffled together?
A. Shuffle the discards and deck together to form a new draw deck before drawing the new Command card.

That is how we play it.

Cheers,

[Updated on: Sat, 27 October 2012 22:10]

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Quit2

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Sat, 27 October 2012 22:29

Almilcar wrote on Sat, 27 October 2012 22:09

Hello,

According to FAQ page 41, "Their Finest Hour":

Official FAQ

That is how we play it.

Cheers,

That is not the question. The question is do you shuffle TFH as well or du you shuffle, put TFH in the new, empty discard pile and then draw.

So to be perfectly clear:
Which is the correct way to play:
- discard, shuffle, draw
or
- shuffle, discard, draw

In both cases, you do what the faq says, you shuffle before you draw.

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Almilcar

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Sat, 27 October 2012 22:31

Quit2 wrote on Sat, 27 October 2012 22:29

Almilcar wrote on Sat, 27 October 2012 22:09

Hello,

According to FAQ page 41, "Their Finest Hour":

Official FAQ

That is how we play it.

Cheers,

We do play in this way:

- discard, shuffle, draw, so that TFH is again in the pile.

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rasmussen81

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sun, 28 October 2012 05:16

TFH should end up in the discard pile, available for someone to take...and it should be shuffled into the deck, not just sitting on top! [Report message to a moderator]

JFKoski

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sun, 28 October 2012 15:39

There's usually a 2/50 chance of TFH being shuffled so either player gets it their next draw. [Report message to a moderator]

Flemish_Havy

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October 2011

Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question	Sun, 28 October 2012 18:11

If you play a counter-attack on that TFH, you actualy play the same as TFH, right ?! /-> This rule applied, you play the card you counter, so that is TFH here. (Normaly you also counter in mirror vision, but this is not needed here.) So you reshuffle again ? And the counter-attack card goes back into the deck !? [Report message to a moderator]

rasmussen81

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Re:Their Finest Hour - Reshuffle Question

Sun, 28 October 2012 19:29

Flemish_Havy wrote on Sun, 28 October 2012 21:11

If you play a counter-attack on that TFH, you actualy play the same as TFH, right ?!

/-> This rule applied, you play the card you counter, so that is TFH here. (Normaly you also counter in mirror vision, but this is not needed here.)

So you reshuffle again ? And the counter-attack card goes back into the deck !? Rolling Eyes

Correct. You would reshuffle again, the Counter Attack would be placed back into the deck before shuffling, and you would have another chance to pull TFH or Counter Attack from the deck. Smile

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