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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 29 June 2011 23:49
I generally ask cadets if they have played the M44 board game.

This information assists the assessment how much help to offer a cadet.
An "board game experienced" cadet may only need help with the mechanics of the online game, a newbie to the M44 game (online & board game) may need hints and tips on strategy and tactics too.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 01 July 2011 23:31
My dear fellow officers, if you look at the shoulder strap to the left, you will notice that I can proudly announce to have become not the first Colonel, but the first Oberst anyway. Smile

My results since making Oberstleutnant are:
- all scenarios won at least once from each side
- 161 victories (77 as Allies, 84 as Axis)
- between 15 and 36 victories for each side in every theater
- at least 27 games against Cadets (23 won)

As in the cases of my peers in rank, I was promoted after no special feat, that is after an unspectacular loss at the Gates of Moscow. I managed to reach the highest rank after playing less than 500 games, so there is hope for those of you who cannot spend whole days in front of their computers. Wink

And now let's go for that elusive golden Pilot Badge ...

[Updated on: Sat, 02 July 2011 15:22]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 02 July 2011 04:36
Congratulations Herr Oberst. Welcome to the club.

Your are and always be the 4th amongst us to make this exhalted rank.

A question: "Did you win every scenario from both sides at Lt. Col?"
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 02 July 2011 23:08
Congratulations to Stevie02 and Turbo! It's nice to have some new additions in the Officer's Club. Laughing

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 03 July 2011 22:43
Congratulations to the ones who made it to Colonels. I know how much effort stand behind that achievement.

I hope that my input could be helpful. I played all the scenarios and won at least 1 time for each side and.. still did not reach Colonel rank. This means that winning each scenario for both sides is not sufficient alone.

I played against Cadets in Western scenarios but I almost did not play against Cadets on other theaters. Probably this is the clue..

I will try to play against them in other three theaters. Will get you posted

Cool
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 00:22
Ok, I played a couple of games against Cadet in Med theater. And played one against Cadet on Eastern front. Tomorrow I will play a couple in Pacific. We'll see if that works!
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 01:40
mescalito wrote on Mon, 04 July 2011 08:43

Congratulations to the ones who made it to Colonels. I know how much effort stand behind that achievement.

I hope that my input could be helpful. I played all the scenarios and won at least 1 time for each side and.. still did not reach Colonel rank. This means that winning each scenario for both sides is not sufficient alone.



Have you won all the scenarios on both sides since being promoted to Lt. Colonel?

Both Gheintze and I won all scenarios from both sides as Lt. Colonels before our promotion.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 05:57
Yes, I won all the scenarios as LTC.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 06:06
mescalito wrote on Mon, 04 July 2011 15:57

Yes, I won all the scenarios as LTC.


Excellent, well done. I am sure you will soon join our exclusive, but growing, fellowship.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 18:11
Turboheizer wrote on Sat, 02 July 2011 00:31

My dear fellow officers, if you look at the shoulder strap to the left, you will notice that I can proudly announce to have become not the first Colonel, but the first Oberst anyway. Smile

My results since making Oberstleutnant are:
- all scenarios won at least once from each side
- 161 victories (77 as Allies, 84 as Axis)
- between 15 and 36 victories for each side in every theater
- at least 27 games against Cadets (23 won)

As in the cases of my peers in rank, I was promoted after no special feat, that is after an unspectacular loss at the Gates of Moscow. I managed to reach the highest rank after playing less than 500 games, so there is hope for those of you who cannot spend whole days in front of their computers. Wink

And now let's go for that elusive golden Pilot Badge ...


Turboheizer, did you play against Cadets in different fronts?
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 18:29
Of course I did, but I didn't keep a record about the numerical distribution. I also played against more than 27 Cadets, but some of them had already been promoted when I started counting. Generally, if you play more than 200 games, there should be a sufficient number of Cadets among your opponents.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 20:04
Congratulations on your promotion!

I still don't get the criteria. According to my statistics, I have the following number of victories on fronts (axis/alllies):
Eastern: 24/23
Mediterranean: 80/60
Pacific: 35/42
Western: 130/124
Total number of games played is 980, out of which 518 victories in total.

Of all official online scenarios, I won every scenario at least 3 times on all sides.

Playing cadets is my everyday destini, almost no one else to play against when I check the lobby, hence my poor ranking.


I guess some officers retire as Lt. Colonels. That's life.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 20:38
There has got to be some missing ingredient we are all missing.

The win all senarios as a LT COL is a giving.

Turboheizer achieved his promotion with less than 500 games, which is an amazing achievement whilst some players have many more games with top class win/loss ratios are still LT COL's.

I got promotion with only 11 wins as Allies of the Eastern front ?

All Colonels got promoted after a loss.

Is there some sequence that has to occur to trigger the promotion ? Perhaps being beaten by a player(s) you beat as a cadet

Until someone comes up with the 'Eureka' moment to the promotion problem the best advice is to keep playing.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 20:44
stevie02 wrote on Mon, 04 July 2011 20:38

(snip)All Colonels got promoted after a loss.
(snip)

Well that's it then! Don't plan on loosing... I'm going to stay Lt.Col forever (I wish Smile )
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 04 July 2011 20:56
Magnus, how on earth did anyone become a Col before you? That is the biggest mystery of all.

There is a saying which kinda fits :-

Those that can do it..... do it !
Those that cant do it..... instruct ! ( and get promotion ) Razz

Stevie
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 16:30
I wish the promotion criteria were 'cumulative' for all ranks.

For example, if I win every almost every scenario while the rank of Major, why should I have to win ALL of these scenarios again as Lt Colonel? So, my wins as Major do not count? I don't get that reasoning, except that I have to spend more $gold$.

The long slog to Lt Colonel is followed by an even bigger slog to colonel and who would dare venture a guess at the long, long slog to Brigadier General? Two thousand games played, followed by 25 victories for each scenario for both sides. Something outrageous or even yet to be determined....

I would venture to say, the reason none of the 'General' rank requirements have not been forthcoming is that DoW hasn't figured out what they are yet. And that further, they don't want to make the criteria to be too easy. So, it's a wait and see approach of how many thousands of games people are willing to play to attain the next rank. IS THIS FAIR? NO

All rank hints should be released, established and set now. That, IMHO, is more fair to the players.

My 2 cents.




      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 18:15
Guys, there is a clue thing in the criterion.
I noticed you saying that many got promoted after a loss. My main assumption is the following criterion:

1. Win all scenarios on both sides as LTC.
2. Promote n (some natural number) Cadets, probably on all fronts.

You see, no.2 on the list above can only be achieved if you lose to Cadet opponent. Remember that Cadets get promoted to 2nd LT when they win 3 games.

I assume that most of COL's reached no.1 before fulfilling no.2 that is why they got promoted after their loss.

Makes sense to anyone? Confused
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 21:17
I have won more than 11 scenarios on every front as a major and yet still no promotion. Could it be that Montlemar and Toulon and Tunisia do not count as victories in the Mediterranean front???
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 21:20
mescalito wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 19:15

Guys, there is a clue thing in the criterion.
I noticed you saying that many got promoted after a loss. My main assumption is the following criterion:

1. Win all scenarios on both sides as LTC.
2. Promote n (some natural number) Cadets, probably on all fronts.

You see, no.2 on the list above can only be achieved if you lose to Cadet opponent. Remember that Cadets get promoted to 2nd LT when they win 3 games.

I assume that most of COL's reached no.1 before fulfilling no.2 that is why they got promoted after their loss.

Makes sense to anyone? Confused


My diary:

I had one Cadet reach 2nd LT in Western, one in Med and one in Pacific. Will see if a promotion on Eastern front does the trick Smile
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 21:24
stevens wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 22:17

I have won more than 11 scenarios on every front as a major and yet still no promotion. Could it be that Montlemar and Toulon and Tunisia do not count as victories in the Mediterranean front???


You can pull the detailed report from the officer's career in Excel format to investigate all the details. Are you sure you won 10+ in all theaters?
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 21:52
mescalito wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 22:20

mescalito wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 19:15

Guys, there is a clue thing in the criterion.
I noticed you saying that many got promoted after a loss. My main assumption is the following criterion:

1. Win all scenarios on both sides as LTC.
2. Promote n (some natural number) Cadets, probably on all fronts.

You see, no.2 on the list above can only be achieved if you lose to Cadet opponent. Remember that Cadets get promoted to 2nd LT when they win 3 games.

I assume that most of COL's reached no.1 before fulfilling no.2 that is why they got promoted after their loss.

Makes sense to anyone? Confused


My diary:

I had one Cadet reach 2nd LT in Western, one in Med and one in Pacific. Will see if a promotion on Eastern front does the trick Smile



Ok, so I played with Cadets to make sure they reach 2nd LT in all theaters. No success. This assumption is a flaw so far..
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 22:02
Quote:

You can pull the detailed report from the officer's career in Excel format to investigate all the details. Are you sure you won 10+ in all theaters?


Without a doubt!!!!

Except for now I am doubting that this is ALL it takes to move forward....?
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 22:36
stevens wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 16:02

Quote:

You can pull the detailed report from the officer's career in Excel format to investigate all the details. Are you sure you won 10+ in all theaters?


Without a doubt!!!!

Except for now I am doubting that this is ALL it takes to move forward....?


There is something else required for Major. Tabou had a big problem getting to Major, but still isn't sure what he is missing.

But it is definitely something more than 10 wins per theater. The details are in the other promotion thread.

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 22:51
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Tabou had a big problem getting to Major


Geoff, you mean he had this big problem getting to LtCol.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 22:53
I am convinced it is the Mediterranean scenarios
I bet only the original list counted and not the expanded list
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 23:01
Turboheizer wrote on Tue, 05 July 2011 16:51

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Tabou had a big problem getting to Major


Geoff, you mean he had this big problem getting to LtCol.


Yes, of course. Sorry about that... Very Happy

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 05 July 2011 23:02
GI John wrote on Wed, 06 July 2011 02:30

I wish the promotion criteria were 'cumulative' for all ranks.

For example, if I win every almost every scenario while the rank of Major, why should I have to win ALL of these scenarios again as Lt Colonel? So, my wins as Major do not count? I don't get that reasoning, except that I have to spend more $gold$.

The long slog to Lt Colonel is followed by an even bigger slog to colonel and who would dare venture a guess at the long, long slog to Brigadier General? Two thousand games played, followed by 25 victories for each scenario for both sides. Something outrageous or even yet to be determined....

<snip>

All rank hints should be released, established and set now. That, IMHO, is more fair to the players.

My 2 cents.



IMHO it should be harder to earn promotion at each step on the way.

It has - in fact - become easier to gain promotion as more people have played because the requirements for each rank have become more generally known.

Those of us who have won promotion early have had to work (hard) for our promotions.
Those coming along behind benefit from our experience.

Winning each scenario from both sides - a 2nd time - a Lt. Colonel is a challenge, but it is easier using one's experience and knowledge than it was the first time around. Why should this be seen as a problem?

I am also comfortable that I don't yet know the requirements for the next promotion. I am just playing for enjoyment (sometimes it doesn't seem so). The highest ranks have been and are being gradually introduced which means we have to wait for the next hints. With only 4 Colonels there isn't a great need to announce the route to Brigadier General yet.

GI John, and everyone else, enjoy your games. Work on the requirements for promotion but don't make that your only focus.

In a real army there are fewer officers at each rank. Why should this game be different? What will you do when you reach "General of the Army" will you stop playing?

I enjoy M44 online because I can find many more opponents that I can locally, I can play more often (too much?) and without the hassle of setup and backup of the board and game pieces.

I would rather see the ability to play SFTF, or other scenarios before the hint to Brigadier General is announced.

Play hard, play fair, enjoy your game.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 19:31
Woopee!! Very Happy Very Happy

Finally made it Laughing Laughing

Not sure what the missing piece in the puzzle was but
As a Lt colonel I did the following.

Won every map as both sides
At least 20 wins as both sides in all of the areas

Played against lots of cadets and lost to at least one cadet giving him a promotion

Played against cadets in all 4 areas

Ensured that I won as both sides in the 2 new maps.

Finally promoted after a loss to a 2nd Lt


I hope that gives someone else a clue as to the final requirement.


My advice
Just keep playing and you will get their eventually

Good luck to the others who are almost there Smile
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 19:37
Congratulations Eldonion!

Well done -- welcome to our club!

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 20:20
Congratulations to Stevie02, Turboheizer and Eldonion on being the next three to make Col. Well done! Cool
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 21:52
gheintze wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 05:37

Congratulations Eldonion!

Well done -- welcome to our club!

Geoff


Ditto.

And now we are 5.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 23:58
It looks like being a Colonel is getting to be downright common place. Laughing

Who's going to get their first star?

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 12:27
Hallelujah!!

Made Lt. Col. last night after winning the seventh Allied victory in the ORIGINAL eight Mediterranean scenarios. Have 21 wins on each side in that front if you consider ALL of the scenarios.

Thanks DOW. Time for some R&R.

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2011 12:36]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 13:03
stevens wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 06:27

Hallelujah!!

Made Lt. Col. last night after winning the seventh Allied victory in the ORIGINAL eight Mediterranean scenarios. Have 21 wins on each side in that front if you consider ALL of the scenarios.

Thanks DOW. Time for some R&R.


Congratulations, stevens!

Well earned. Don't rest too long, we're waiting in the Colonels' Lounge... Smile

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 00:49
If the requirements are as stated - win every scenario on each side.

Now that there are 2 more scenarios, do I have to win those as well to gain promotion?

If so, that would mean our acheivment is greater than those before us Very Happy
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 00:59
congratulations to stevens for his recent promotion

As to weather or not you need to win the 2 new scenarios, i suspect you probably do

I played and won as both sides on the new maps just in case and i was promoted a few games later (Although it might not have been a requirement)

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 01:59
Whether promotion requires it or not I (almost) always try get a win on both sides in each & every new scenario.

It is a bit of a "been there don't that" kind of thing. I guess I don't like there to be scenarios I haven't played and won.

It, generally, costs ranking points but adds satisfaction. Then, later, if you need to win the scenario again for promotion you know you can do it.

I, for one, am saddened to read elsewhere of a Lt Col. who has never won Arnhem as Axis. The challenge is to try and succeed, or at least to try. To read about those play selectively to avoid potential (or even probable) defeat is disappointing.

[Updated on: Sat, 09 July 2011 09:02]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 08:48
Congrats, Eldonion.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 12:49
Congrats as well from a bucking Lt. Col.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 10 July 2011 23:56
Phread wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 00:59

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I, for one, am saddened to read elsewhere of a Lt Col. who has never won Arnhem as Axis. The challenge is to try and succeed, or at least to try. To read about those play selectively to avoid potential (or even probable) defeat is disappointing.


I understand what you're saying, Phread, but I don't feel the same way - even if I have 1/10th of the experience you have.

Life, in general, taught me that one of the most important features, one of those fundamental aspects of the human kind, is difference. Different people want different things, they rate them differently and they approach them in different manners.
In this game, there are those who will play for fun, those who will play to get promotions and badges, those who will play it to move up the ranking ladder, those who will play for this and for that and finally those who will play it for a combination of the above reasons, mixed up in different proportions. That's the beauty of a community and that of a gaming system.
I can't see what possibly could be wrong about a player who picks his own path, even if that path is "narrow", call it like that, for not covering Axis at Arnhem.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean criticism, I just don't agree with you at all in this matter Razz
      
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