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sbauer9
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 11 July 2011 00:21
My stats so far as a Lt Colonel (No promotion yet)

Won every scenario as both sides once.
Wins by front (Allies/Axis)
Eastern: 9/12
Med: 12/18
Pacific: 10/9
Western: 22/17

Won 109 of 168 games played
53 as allies, 56 as axis

Played 26 games again 16 Cadets,
I am sure one of them was promoted after a battle but was not really watching that.

I will get to 10 wins one each front and try to play/lose to some more cadets. Not sure what else to do.


      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 11 July 2011 01:40
Thank you, clorofila, for your (very) polite post.

Many people disagree with me - few do it as nicely. Thanks again.

The M44 community is generally well mannered and diverse so we can and do express a range of opinions and views, yours is as valid as mine if not more so.

Thank you for sharing you view and thank you for agreeing to disagree.

I would again encourage all players to sample all scenarios from both sides of the battle. Try it and you might find it enjoyable.

[Updated on: Mon, 11 July 2011 01:41]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 11 July 2011 03:06
Looks as if you and I may be in similar boats, sbauer9. Right up to the total number of victories since making Lt. Colonel! Being an investment manager by day (and a Lt. Colonel by night - at least in our Memoir '44 universe) I know my way around a spreadsheet. Here's what I can add:

I downloaded every battle I ever played from the website today, and then seperated out only those I've played since making Lt. Col. I thought I'd played both sides and won each battle at least once; at least that's what my notes told me. However, upon comparing my very meticulous spreadsheet with the "official" record from DOW, I found 2 battles that I apparently had not won! Rather than quibble as to why my records were different from DOW's, I simply replayed both battles until I'd won them. The final "missing" battle was Liberation of Paris from the Allied side, which, needless to say, I won easily. It was only fair that I give the cadet I was playing against a chance to experience the fruits of victory, so we rematched and (no surprise) he beat me. Not only that, but he got promoted to 2nd Lt. as a result of the victory, and won a medal to boot.

And lo and behold...I am still a Lt. Colonel.

In the interest of adding to the knowledge base, here are my stats since making Lt. Colonel:

Achievements earned: several, including Band of Brothers, Band of Brothers instructor and "Armor Driving License" from release 1.1. Total earned: 26.

Number of battles played since making Lt. Col. 180
Wins: 109. Losses: 71. Win %: 60.5%
Wins as Allies: 52. Wins as Axis: 57.

Wins per theatre (Allies/ Axis):

Western: 19/26
Eastern: 8/9
Mediterranean: 16/15
Pacific: 9/7

About the only thing I can guess is that you may be right about needing 10 victories/ each side/ each front. Although, that doesn't make much sense to me given the fewer number of scenarios on each Front. Maybe the magic number is 200 battles total. Just to be safe, I think we'd better get to work playing the Japanese and the Russians!
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 11 July 2011 05:10
Got to 10 victories per side per front and lost to two cadets, neither of them got promoted though. No luck yet.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 12 July 2011 04:27
From what I can gather after analyzing someone else's record; who shall remain nameless Laughing, I'm pretty confident you need the following to make Colonel:

1) 15 wins per side each front = 120 wins
2) Win every scenario both sides
3) play lots of Cadets and hope some of them promote.

My strategy is to play Cadets who have played 3 or 4 games already. If they beat you, they'll more inclined to be promoted also; having probably won a game or two already. If you play the ones with zero games played, they might not ever play again.

      
sbauer9
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 12 July 2011 05:16
It's hard to promote cadets, there typically not very good and I can't bring myself to throw a game.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 13 July 2011 02:22
sbauer9 wrote on Mon, 11 July 2011 23:16

It's hard to promote cadets, there typically not very good and I can't bring myself to throw a game.


I find that Cadets can be just as good as any of the other ranks. What they lack is the sharpness in their play, that we who have played hundreds of games, have. In other words, they're rusty.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 14 July 2011 17:15
I have all the stats broken down since becoming a Lt colonel my over all win rate is 65%, if you excluding cadets it drops to 62% and this is mostly planning both sides against an opponent.

My win ratio against cadets is 78% and that is mostly taking the harder side against them. There are certainly lots of good cadets but they will not stay cadets long.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 06:17
Update (Still no promotion)
Won 150 or 227 games since being promoted to Lt Colonel

East 15/18
Med 15/20
Pac 16/17
West 27/22

Played 57 battles against 38 cadets
5 cadets were promoted from the result of a game with me, including 1 on each front.

Not sure what else to do, I guess I could try winning more awards. I have been trying for the 4 matching dice one but no luck yet.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 13:05
Have you won, at least once, every battle on every front as both Axis and Allies?

Quote:

Colonels have seen - and won - it all...

[Updated on: Sun, 17 July 2011 13:07]

      
sbauer9
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 18:46
Thanks for the suggestion Stevens.

Yes, I have won all the scenarios as both sides. I finished that a week ago(See my earlier post at the top of the page) and was working on playing cadets ever since.

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 22:28
sbauer9 wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 04:46

Thanks for the suggestion Stevens.

Yes, I have won all the scenarios as both sides. I finished that a week ago(See my earlier post at the top of the page) and was working on playing cadets ever since.




Won every scenario on both sides since being promoted to Lt. Col?

I had won ever scenario on both sides before making Lt Col. and had to repeat the task, before making Colonel.
      
sbauer9
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 22:38
Yes, I have won all the scenarios since becoming a Lt Colonel, all the stats given are since being a Lt Colonel.

I was a few wins short of all scenarios before being a Lt Colonel, I could go back and win those again so I will have won all scenarios twice overall and once since becoming a lt colonel.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 17 July 2011 23:37
Well I can't explain why you haven't been promoted - though I'm not sure why I was either.

Keep playing you cannot be far away from your well earnt promotion.
      
sbauer9
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 18 July 2011 01:27
I was 2 games short so I took care of those and have now won all the battles as both sides twice, for all time, still just once since becoming a Lt Colonel.

Also took me to 16 battles per side per front since becoming a Lt Colonel.

Any other suggestions?
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 18 July 2011 08:35
A little question,

Does it matter that I got my Band of Brothers achivements before I'm on the road of promotion to Colonel??

And by the way, I found that most of cadets are afraid to playt with me Sad
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 18 July 2011 08:45
Oros wrote on Mon, 18 July 2011 18:35

A little question,

Does it matter that I got my Band of Brothers achivements before I'm on the road of promotion to Colonel??

And by the way, I found that most of cadets are afraid to playt with me Sad


Band of Brothers achievements have no impact of rank, or promotion. I was promoted to Colonel without either & still have only one.
      
jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 18 July 2011 23:33
Sbauer9 (and any other Lt. Colonels out there),

I looked a the record of every single player that has made Colonel, and compared them to ours. We already know about the requirement to win each battle from both sides, and not all the Colonels have the Band of Brothers instructor achievement. My next thought was maybe it had to do with the total amount of battles played (not just won), but Turboheizer has played fewer battles than either you or I, so that's not it. Then I thought maybe it was number of cadets played, but once again, no, that wasn't it. You proved that by playing as many cadets as you have.

One of the clues that stood out was that every Colonel was promoted after losing a battle. Could it be that was the missing link, that it had something to do with the "leading cadets" rule? Once again - no. Both you and I have lost to cadets since winning every battle a 2nd time. Could it be that you both needed to lose to a cadet and that cadet earns a promotion as a result? Nope. Been there, done that, still a Lt. Colonel.

Then it struck me! What was this "Senior Member" designation we see next to a player's name in the forums? 4 of the 5 Colonels are Senior Members, with anywhere from 110 - 605 posts. Stevie02 is a "Member" with 39 posts. and her's also the most recently added member of all the Colonels; June 2010. But you and I are still "Junior Members" with 19 posts for you and 12 for me.

So let's get cranking and start posting and see what happens when we get our status raised to "Member!"
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Mon, 18 July 2011 23:48
When only 4 of 5 are senior members I guess it's not a requirement.

[Updated on: Mon, 18 July 2011 23:53]

      
jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 00:45
How about "member" then? What does that take, 25 or 30 posts? Provided the other conditions are met of course...

Just a thought based on an observation.

BTW: This is post 16 for me.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 00:58
- or maybe you have to start a thread
- or maybe your posts on the forum are manually validated by DoW members and when you write stuff that is helpfull to new players, they flag you as earning the promotion. But with alot of DoW staff being on holiday for the moment, they got behind on the work and nobody gets promoted to colonel for the moment.

- Or maybe it has nothing to do with forum use, since I believe Nygaard has alot of forum posts already, has won every battle on both sides since being a Lt Col and still isn't promoted.
I think playing is more important. Keep playing ... Keep playing ... on any front, any battle, against any opponent ... you'll get there one day. Wink
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 02:18
- or maybe your posts on the forum are manually validated by DoW members and when you write stuff that is helpfull to new players, they flag you as earning the promotion. But with alot of DoW staff being on holiday for the moment, they got behind on the work and nobody gets promoted to colonel for the moment.

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I sure hope that being promoted is not contingent on DoW giving you a rubber stamp or 'flagging you for promotion'. You can't play favorites.

But, after seeing that Nygard has won every battle from both sides & played more games than anyone, I can't come up with a single good reason why he shouldn't already be a Colonel. What could he possibly be missing as a requirement? With the number of games he's played???

And I do think that the Brigadier General hint should be released as there are 5 Colonels who have no guidance whatsoever in achieving the next rank. As soon as 1 person hits the highest rank, the next highest ranks hint should be released. IMHO that is fair.

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 02:19]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 02:36
I can't believe that it has anything to do with posts to the forums. How about the number of achievements?

Phread, Turboheizer, and I all have a lot of medals. Could that be it?

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 03:07
Don't think that's it. I have 27, and I think that's how many Turboheizer had at the time of his promotion.

One thing I did notice was that each of the current Colonels has the "minesweeper" badge for reporting a bug during beta-testing. Although that is now theoretically impossible to obtain, it hasn't been grayed out yet, and neither sBauer9 nor I have that particular acheivement.

Maybe we ought to go report a bug. Something along the lines of "the Colonel promotion seems to be based on a now obsolete acheivement." Better hurry so I can beat the competition to it...

Either that or I have to roll 4 flags one of these days...
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 05:11
I hope the promotion does not require posting to the forum.

Not that I have a better suggestion.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 10:45
Quote:

One thing I did notice was that each of the current Colonels has the "minesweeper" badge for reporting a bug during beta-testing.


I got my Minesweeper award AFTER I was promoted to Oberst, as I was one of a handful of officers who got it with the release of M44O 1.1 (a month after the end of Beta).

As all Colonels were promoted after a defeat, this cannot be pure coincidence. On the other hand, I can see no possible condition that could be fulfilled by a loss but not by a win. As we know, the promotion to Captain happens not immediately after winning Omaha or Arnhem, but only after the next victory. I presume there is something similar in the case of Colonel: you get promoted after the first defeat after X. Now we just need to know what X is ...
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 11:10
my theory that has been going around in my head is the following:
You beat a cadet in a game, and in the rematch, the cadet beats you. This is exactly the "teaching cadets": first you show how it is done, then the cadet copies and has success because of it.

And since most experienced players take the weaker side first against cadets, it's not something that happens so easyly.

Just my two gold ingots ...
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 13:07
Looks like a good suggestion Quit2.

It has to something like that and your suggestion sounds very plausible

I would check my own records, to see if that is what I might have done, at some point, but at the moment my own records page for M44-on line is blank and I am waiting for the excellent men at the DOW high command headquarters to sort it out. (bug report sent)

The missing X factor, that a lot of people are looking for, will be something like the idea suggested.

I'm sure that you will all find it out at some point and the next promotions are just around the corner. Smile
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 16:57
The win and then get beaten is true for eldonion but against a second lieutenant and not a cadet

It is not true for Turboheizer who lost to a second lieutenant he had never played before or since.

It is true for stevie02 but against a Major.

It is not true for gheintze, he lost to a First lieutenant in the first of a two game series, He had never played him before.

It is not true for Phread, he lost to a major in the first of a two game series, he had played the major 5 times prior to the series, winning 3 and losing 2.

I don't see a pattern other than none of them lost to cadets to get promoted. I think it likely a loss is required after achieving X but the loss has nothing to do with what X is.

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 16:58]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 17:08
sbauer9 wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 10:57


It is not true for gheintze, he lost to a First lieutenant in the first of a two game series, He had never played him before.

It is not true for Phread, he lost to a major in the first of a two game series, he had played the major 5 times prior to the series, winning 3 and losing 2.


I would suggest leaving Phread and I out of the analysis. I don't think it's a coincidence that we were promoted five minutes apart -- which also was the first game that both of us had played that day. Also, there is not much that is similar about our records late in our Lt. Colonel career.

So, it looks to me like Phread and I had reached the promotion requirements earlier and a software update the previous evening allowed us to get promoted on that day.

Unfortunately, this makes your job even harder as there are only three data points to compare if you ignore Phread and I.

My personal opinion -- I don't think that losses matter -- it's seems strange that a player would have to lose to get promoted.

I haven't been following this as closely as i should perhaps, but has anyone closely analyzed all the victories from the other three colonels? Try to find the common denominator in their last victory before promotion. Did they have a losing streak before being promoted? Were they promoted on their first game of a new day? What happened before that last loss to make a difference? These are the things that I analyzed when trying to make Lt. Colonel.

It also might pay to look at their overall record of wins as well. What number was reached at the point of their last victory? Maybe we are too focused on just the Lt. Colonel portion and not the overall career.

I also have trouble believing that the rank of your opponents matter. It's just too hard to track...

Sorry I can't be of more help. I just don't have any answers. But I think (and hope) that I'll soon be puzzling over the requirements for Brig. General.

I already have over 100 wins as a Colonel and I'm trying to win them all again. Very Happy

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 19:10
gheintze wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 11:08


It also might pay to look at their overall record of wins as well. What number was reached at the point of their last victory? Maybe we are too focused on just the Lt. Colonel portion and not the overall career.



The more I think about this, the more I think this could be the key. Before getting promoted, I had recently won every battle twice in my career. So one requirement (winning every battle once from both sides) needed to be completed as a Lt. Colonel and another requirement relied on your career record (as every other promotion has).

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 22:23
I was advised by DoW:
"Our intelligence services learned that the enemy had briefly managed to scramble our communications, thereby delaying your promotion by several days. Congratulations for your promotion."

It seems that we, Geoff & I, had qualified for promotion by the system/server didn't automatically promote us, therefore DoW had to "tweak" the system to grant us our promotion.

Unfortunately they got the order wrong - or I played a few minutes before Geoff - as Geoff should have been the 1st to reach Colonel - especially as I relied on his suggestion(s) to earn my promotion.

So, as Geoff says, if you want to analyse our careers before promotion you have to discount our last couple of days as Lt Col.

Personally I think the focus on the promotion formula is a distraction. Continue to play a range of opponents in a range of scenarios in a range of theatres of war. Win some, lose some, but have fun.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 22:38
Phread wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 16:23

I was advised by DoW:
Unfortunately they got the order wrong - or I played a few minutes before Geoff - as Geoff should have been the 1st to reach Colonel - especially as I relied on his suggestion(s) to earn my promotion.

So, as Geoff says, if you want to analyse our careers before promotion you have to discount our last couple of days as Lt Col.

Personally I think the focus on the promotion formula is a distraction. Continue to play a range of opponents in a range of scenarios in a range of theatres of war. Win some, lose some, but have fun.



Unless you reached one of the unknown criteria before I did -- then you should be first. Laughing In the end it doesn't matter...

Actually, I was sure that there would be a lot more than five Colonels by now. I didn't think I had done anything special up to that point.

But analyzing Phread's and my career will be very difficult, as you don't know when we hit the magic button.

Now I forgot what I was going to say in response to Phread's last paragraph...hmmmm....

Oh yeah...with all the variables now in play -- wins in each front and side at a certain rank, total wins at a certain rank, how many cadets you played, wins for a career, wins against a certain rank, which battles count for each front, how many medals you have -- it's nearly impossible to tell what the secret is. So the higher we climb the ladder, the more we'll have to just have to follow this advice...
Phread wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 16:23

Continue to play a range of opponents in a range of scenarios in a range of theatres of war. Win some, lose some, but have fun.



Of course, that's easy for me to say since I'm already a Colonel. But I'll need to refer to this post in the future, as I'm struggling to get the next promotion. Embarassed Laughing Rolling Eyes

Geoff

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 23:14]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 23:12
gheintze wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 08:38


Of course, that's easy for me to say since I'm already a Lt. Colonel. But I'll need to refer to this post in the future, as I'm struggling to get the next promotion. Embarassed Laughing Rolling Eyes

Geoff



Geoff,

Are you admitting that you aren't really a Colonel?
Or are accepting a demotion so you can qualify again?

Or was it simply a slip of the fingers?

Phread

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 23:13]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 23:14
Oops... you caught me. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Tue, 19 July 2011 23:26
Far be it from me to throw out a new theory on the pursuit of promotions.

But, I believe the secret to earning promotion to Colonel is the below:

1) 15 wins each front both sides (after earning Lt Colonel)
2) Play lots of Cadets and hopefully they will promote against you or after (not sure which; doesn't really matter)
3) Must win every scenario from both sides; including newer battle maps
4) And here is the kicker, I believe you must win at least 1 battle against every other existing rank in all four theaters.

I'm now focusing on Mediterranean and my stats are below:

I have 16 wins as Axis and 10 wins as Allies. There are still 3 battles I have not won. My wins breakdown is below:

Cadet 11
2nd Lt 4
1st Lt 5
Captain 5
Major 1
Lt Colonel-0
Colonel-0

I don't believe you can promote without at least 1 victory against every other rank in every theater. That's my new theory and I'm sticking by it. What else could it be? It may be 2 or more. As you can see, I will be seeking out fellow Lt Colonels and my 5 superiors soon.
Laughing

[Updated on: Tue, 19 July 2011 23:28]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 20 July 2011 00:28
All right, so I got my geek on to take a look at this. And here's what I see after analyzing the 3 untainted Colonel promotions (Turbo, Stevie, and Eldonian) and 1 Lt. Col who's knocking at the door:

The 3 colonels played the following number of games as a Lt. Col:

248, 248 and 250, respectively*.

Bauer, at the time of my snapshot (July 18th after your battle with ericvee in Arracourt), you had played 238 games. I see you have since played 5 more games. I think in 7 games you'll get what you've been waiting for.

All of you had won as a Lt. Col from both sides of every scenario (except for the two Eastern fronts recently added). So that may be a red herring or important too.

But I'm willing to bet this promotion starts with having played 250 more games. Nothing more complex.

* side note: there were a few Excel lines that had no data from M44 and that may account for the 248 numbers not being 250.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 20 July 2011 00:29
I await your challenge, sir. Very Happy

Geoff

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 20 July 2011 09:50
Congratulations and welcome to the newest member of the Colonelhood Herr Oberst fjetzt.

We Colonels, Obersts, are a friendly group and would welcome more to our fellowship.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 20 July 2011 09:59
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I'm willing to bet this promotion starts with having played 250 more games.


But fjetzt had played 290 games as an Oberstleutnant ...
      
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