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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 08:42
Update:

200 total victories as Lt. Colonel
100 as Allies
100 as Axis

Next goal -- to get 20 victories as each side on every front.

Current status:
Eastern: Allies 20, Axis 18
Mediterranean: Allies 20, Axis 26
Pacific: Allies 26, Axis 15
Western: Allies 34, Axis 41

So just a few more...

Nobody else has earned the promotion to Colonel -- so we are all still looking for answers.

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 12:28
gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 08:42

Update:

200 total victories as Lt. Colonel
100 as Allies
100 as Axis

Next goal -- to get 20 victories as each side on every front.

Current status:
Eastern: Allies 20, Axis 18
Mediterranean: Allies 20, Axis 26
Pacific: Allies 26, Axis 15
Western: Allies 34, Axis 41

So just a few more...

Nobody else has earned the promotion to Colonel -- so we are all still looking for answers.

Geoff


I think you should get a field promotion, Geoff...

And as a matter of fact, I vote you as temporary General of the Army until such times as somebody else earns that title!
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 12:49
Thanks, Nygaard!

I keep seeing you in the lobby but you're always busy with other opponents. Perhaps I just need to play a Dane to get promoted. Very Happy

On an unrelated topic, I'm up to 15 battles played on their anniversary date for the advanced historian badge, but still haven't earned that either. Need to keep playing...

Geoff

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 13:28
gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 12:49

Thanks, Nygaard!

I keep seeing you in the lobby but you're always busy with other opponents. Perhaps I just need to play a Dane to get promoted. Very Happy

On an unrelated topic, I'm up to 15 battles played on their anniversary date for the advanced historian badge, but still haven't earned that either. Need to keep playing...

Geoff


Hehe - maybe those frenchies at DoW haven't forgiven us Vikings for sacking Paris back in the days...

But I'm certainly willing to meet you on the battlefield and find out if beating a Dane is part of the promotion requirements! Smile

As for the historian battles - isn't that because Advanced Historian hasn't been activated yet?

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 15:17
Nygaard wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 07:28


As for the historian battles - isn't that because Advanced Historian hasn't been activated yet?


Good point, Magnus. I guess we don't know whether it's not activated or if nobody has met the requirements. There are several awards like that. And as Phread discovered with one of the Air Power awards -- it could be a bug.

I'll be on the Eastern Front tonight until I get two German victories there. After that I'll be off to the warm tropical Pacific Ocean.

Geoff

[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2011 19:40]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 18:11
I presume that the advanced historian badge is awarded for having played ALL battles on their historical date. Maybe the original 16 maps are enough, otherwise all 41. So we will know after Arracourt at the earliest.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 21:26
Magnus, do you have any idea what the breakdown of your victories is since making Lt. Colonel? Maybe if more of the Lt. Colonels would post their records, we could figure out the answer sooner. You have an awful lot of games, so I would think that you are past me in victories as a Lt. Colonel.

Maybe you should be General of the Army in the European Theater of Operations. Very Happy

Have you played many cadets? Have you won every battle from both sides?

If we compile and look at more data, we can attempt to tackle the problem from different angles.

Geoff

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 21:53
gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:26

Magnus, do you have any idea what the breakdown of your victories is since making Lt. Colonel? Maybe if more of the Lt. Colonels would post their records, we could figure out the answer sooner. You have an awful lot of games, so I would think that you are past me in victories as a Lt. Colonel.
Maybe you should be General of the Army in the European Theater of Operations. Very Happy
Have you played many cadets? Have you won every battle from both sides?
If we compile and look at more data, we can attempt to tackle the problem from different angles.
Geoff


Aw, man... I haven't really thought about it, and I've played an awful lot of cadets, but mostly on the same "introduction" maps - so while I'm pretty sure I've got victories across all theatres of war, I have no clue how many of them have been against cadets, for instance...

And I've deliberately avoided some maps (Gallabat & Metemma, I'm looking at you!) so I might have a twisted score in some theatres.

I really would like to help, but of all the funny little sub-games of the online-version the promotion is the one I pay the least attention to (I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars and I love Pineapples achievements - after 1500 games!!!)

I'll try to keep more score from now on and let you know.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 22:02
Nygaard wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 15:53

gheintze wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:26

Magnus, do you have any idea what the breakdown of your victories is since making Lt. Colonel? Maybe if more of the Lt. Colonels would post their records, we could figure out the answer sooner. You have an awful lot of games, so I would think that you are past me in victories as a Lt. Colonel.
Maybe you should be General of the Army in the European Theater of Operations. Very Happy
Have you played many cadets? Have you won every battle from both sides?
If we compile and look at more data, we can attempt to tackle the problem from different angles.
Geoff


Aw, man... I haven't really thought about it, and I've played an awful lot of cadets, but mostly on the same "introduction" maps - so while I'm pretty sure I've got victories across all theatres of war, I have no clue how many of them have been against cadets, for instance...

And I've deliberately avoided some maps (Gallabat & Metemma, I'm looking at you!) so I might have a twisted score in some theatres.

I really would like to help, but of all the funny little sub-games of the online-version the promotion is the one I pay the least attention to (I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars and I love Pineapples achievements - after 1500 games!!!)

I'll try to keep more score from now on and let you know.


No problem, Magnus. I was just curious.

It was actually pretty easy to break down into fronts. I just downloaded the excel files from the officer career page (i had to paste the results together from the two files to get all my battles from Lt. Colonel onward together). Then I sorted by front, side played, and victory. Select all the victories and see how big the selected area is -- and you have the number of victories in that front and side.

It would be even easier if they would just have 2010 and 2011 files and not the past 15 days.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a bad feeling about Gallabat and Metemma. Very Happy I really struggled to win that one as the Axis, but didn't find it too hard to lose as the Allies. It just doesn't fit with my aggressive style, I guess.

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Wed, 15 June 2011 22:53
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I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars


In this case, four stars are anything but lucky ... Very Happy
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 02:17
Turboheizer wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 08:53

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I still haven't gotten the Lucky Stars


In this case, four stars are anything but lucky ... Very Happy


4 stars are lucky - lucky for the player being shot at, unlucky for the shooter.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 02:58
Could it be, and I'm just speculating here, that DOW somehow messed up when they changed the "recruit 5 new players" requirement to make Colonel and made them achievements instead? In other words, maybe the rank of Colonel hasn't been "unlocked" yet - but DOW is keeping mum on the topic.

Guess we'll know for sure when version 1.1 comes out - unless someone here knows a way to ask DOW directly.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 03:55
Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.

Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 04:34
Phread wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:55

Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.

Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.


I choose to believe that DoW is not responding anymore because we're on the right track.

I'm trying to learn from the positive outlook of Jesse. Cool

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 05:17
gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 06:34

Phread wrote on Wed, 15 June 2011 21:55

Messages posted in these forums are read by DoW staff.
They respond if or when they want to, or when it is appropriate to.

Not knowing how to get promoted can be frustrating.
Equally it can be frustrating to see step-by-step promotion instructions posted for the "lower ranks." It takes away some of the mystique and makes it (too) easy for some.


I choose to believe that DoW is not responding anymore because we're on the right track.

I'm trying to learn from the positive outlook of Jesse. Cool

Geoff


That's a great outlook!! Nice job, Geoff and good luck with the promotion search. Very Happy
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 07:27
Well, now i'm at a total loss for what the requirements would be.

To recap my accomplishments since Lt. Colonel promotion.

Over 200 total wins
Over 100 wins as both axis and allies
20 or more wins as each side in every front
Won every scenario from both sides (82 games)
Played over 50 games against more than 30 different cadets

I got 5 wins last night as the Japanese and two more as the Germans on the Eastern front.

I guess I can try for 25 wins for each side on every front, but that will take awhile - as it's approximately 20 more wins.

I just having trouble believing that the requirements are this tough.

Oh well, I've had fun playing Very Happy -- guess this is the lesson teaching me not to chase promotions and achievements. Razz

Thanks to all my worthy opponents over the course of my (now slowing down) quest. But I would especially like to mention my loyal friend and most frequent adversary, SgtBob49, for his encouragement, perseverance, and fortitude in the face of daunting odds. Thanks Bob!

Geoff

[Updated on: Thu, 16 June 2011 07:30]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 14:34
Sometimes, I wonder if "lost in translation" might occur in the hints.

French:
"Les Colonels ont une telle expérience du combat qu'ils ont gagné de nombreuses batailles... mais ils ont également entraîné et mené les jeunes Aspirants au combat !"

English:
"Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"

The way I interperting the French one, it says that "Colonels has a sort of combat experience where they won many battles." ... "But trained and guided cadets to combat". I don't really find a there is any hint regarding winning each side/front. I think a key word would be "a sort of combat experience". This could mean winning battles in lop sided scores ? Winning a number of games against the odds ? Perhaps specifically against cadets.



      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 15:20
Tabou, did you ever figure out what was keeping you from your promotion to Lt. Colonel? I keep thinking about that as i try to figure this one out.

But, I'm out of ideas and have no clear goals at the present time.

Edit: A better way to put this would be -- right now I have no clear direction as to the requirements, so it seems pointless to continue working for a specific goal and hope that it matches the requirement.

So, I'll play when I have time and just have fun -- and hope that someone else gets promoted soon so that I can compare records.

Geoff

[Updated on: Thu, 16 June 2011 15:50]

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 15:58
gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:20

Tabou, did you ever figure out what was keeping you from your promotion to Lt. Colonel? I keep thinking about that as i try to figure this one out.
Geoff


Nope, never figured it out. If I ever get time, I'll compare records with other people. It sort of bugs me. My final post in the Promotion Requirement threads shows some insigths about my record.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 16:10
Tabou wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:58

gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 09:20

Tabou, did you ever figure out what was keeping you from your promotion to Lt. Colonel? I keep thinking about that as i try to figure this one out.
Geoff


Nope, never figured it out. If I ever get time, I'll compare records with other people. It sort of bugs me. My final post in the Promotion Requirement threads shows some insigths about my record.


It's just so difficult to go back and figure out the ranks of your opponents at the time of the battle. It may have something to do with the variety of opponents...but without knowing for certain it seems unreasonable to specifically try for that.

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 17:51
Roger that. What I started doing is noting the rank of my opponent myself, on the same spreadsheet that shows your battles/ victories, etc. right after the battle

I realize this may be diificult, if not impossible in hindsight, but at least going forward I can see how many cadets I played.

I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.

And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.

So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48
jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51

I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.

And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.

So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!


I thought about that as well, but it's too much trouble to keep up with and find them online at the times I'm playing.

I'm just going to keep playing -- there a few scenarios I haven't played much lately and I'd like to keep working at some of the more difficult scenarios. So I'll just do that and see what happens.

My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 18:59
gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48

My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.

Geoff


SPOILER

...

SPOILER!

...


SPOILER!!!!

OK... now that it's just us and you DoW guys - please look at Geoff's stats higher in this thread, should that have granted him a promotion? You can tell us, we'll keep your secrets.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 19:02
Nygaard wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 12:59

gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 18:48

My fear is that there is a bug for the promotion or that I've just missed a silly box to check off -- similar to Tabou and his Lt. Colonel quest. I'm having a lot of trouble believing that 200 victories isn't enough.

Geoff


SPOILER

...

SPOILER!

...


SPOILER!!!!

OK... now that it's just us and you DoW guys - please look at Geoff's stats higher in this thread, should that have granted him a promotion? You can tell us, we'll keep your secrets.


Laughing

      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 22:00
jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51


I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.

And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.

So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!


This sounds like a pyramid scheme !!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
But it makes sense. Maybe the promotion is dependent on the number of cadets you played and acheived higher rank later on !
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Thu, 16 June 2011 22:24
Tabou wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 16:00

jamesherrell wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 11:51


I have another thought - this one pertaining to the French/ English translation and the original requirement of 5 recruits/ 3 promoted. It says "Colonels have trained and led many cadets into battl." I suspect part of the requirement may be how those cadets you battled subsequently perform. I know this sounds as if it is out of your control - but is it really? Not if you've given them guidance while battling them when they were still green.

And think about it - the band of brothers instructor badge is given only after your own recruits have won battles/ been promoted, on their own merits.

So let's look up who we've played against in the last 15 days, find all those that are still cadets and/or 2nd looeys, and battle them some more!


This sounds like a pyramid scheme !!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
But it makes sense. Maybe the promotion is dependent on the number of cadets you played and acheived higher rank later on !


I really don't think this is a requirement. In the other thread, Yann stated that we would need to play a large variety of cadets -- he didn't say anything about them getting promoted. That only has to do with the Band of Brothers achievement. And in any case, at least 10 cadets were promoted to 2nd Lt. after playing and beating me...

Above, Eric seemed to imply that the problem was with the rest of my record and had to do with the number of victories or experience I had as a Lt. Colonel. I think there is some criteria that I just haven't fulfilled yet. Perhaps I have 'won' enough, but not 'seen' enough...

I'll keep you posted. Wink

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 04:38
gheintze wrote on Thu, 16 June 2011 16:24

Perhaps I have 'won' enough, but not 'seen' enough...



Well, I noticed that there were four battles that I had only played once/side and thought maybe you had to play every battle twice, but that wasn't it either.

Now, I really have no idea...

Thanks to Nygaard for playing all 8 battles with me tonight. It was a lot of fun and we had some interesting discussions.

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 06:36
Maybe, after you fulfill all the requirements, it waits a random number of games before awarding your promotion. It takes time to get these things countersigned in triplicate. Smile
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 06:48
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 17 June 2011 16:36

Maybe, after you fulfill all the requirements, it waits a random number of games before awarding your promotion. It takes time to get these things countersigned in triplicate. Smile


I don't think DoW are that tricky to wait for a random number of games before awarding a promotion.

I agree with others that we simply haven't discovered the secret yet.

Having just completed winning all battles from both sides since my last promotion I will simply concentrate on having fun.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 15:23
Phread wrote on Fri, 17 June 2011 00:48


Having just completed winning all battles from both sides since my last promotion I will simply concentrate on having fun.


I concede as well. I'm at a complete and utter loss and have no new theories as to what we're missing.

I'm still not entirely comfortable with a few of the Pacific scenarios. So I'm going to concentrate on 'The Meat Grinder' and 'Sugarloaf and Half Moon', at least until I win both again.

I too will now play just for fun and for improving my skills. Good luck to those hoping to find the answers! I look forward to hearing from you.

Geoff
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 15:51
How about this as a conspiracy theory: Rolling Eyes

DOW collects key words that are typed in the interactive message box during your game. Now, if this game is against a cadet, certain key "help/train" words are tracked and counted. After counting X number of those words, you are promoted because: "... the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"

Confused Laughing Laughing
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Fri, 17 June 2011 16:00
Tabou wrote on Fri, 17 June 2011 09:51

How about this as a conspiracy theory: Rolling Eyes

DOW collects key words that are typed in the interactive message box during your game. Now, if this game is against a cadet, certain key "help/train" words are tracked and counted. After counting X number of those words, you are promoted because: "... the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!"

Confused Laughing Laughing
-Tabou


I thought about that as well. If that is the case, there is no way to figure out when you've accomplished it. And since there is no way to be sure it's a requirement, I won't go after that.

Besides as a general rule, I always tell Cadets that I'm playing to ask any questions if they have any. I offer strategy tips and ask if they've played the board game. So, I should have hit any of those requirements if they are well designed.

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 18 June 2011 18:25
I sure hope that this is not a requirement. During many battles nothing is said or asked. It's "Just shut up and play!" Mad , so it seems...

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sat, 18 June 2011 18:37
Maybe for some ranks they could provide several ways of achieving promotion. Confused Since some players play a huge amount of games (an amount of exp. points?). Or include some brevet ranks... Smile
Or as reward for future competitions/campaigns... Razz
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 02:50
Well, before you read any further take a look to the left and notice the silver eagle.

That's right! I got promoted to Colonel tonight -- five minutes after Phread.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what triggered it, so I can't help anybody out.

Good luck and thanks to all my worthy opponents over the last 7 months!

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 03:39
Finally made it and just beat a more deserving player to become a Colonel.

I am sorry that I beat gheintze to the Colonel rank by a mere 5 minutes. He deserved to be first.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Of course having got there first can I pull rank on him? Laughing Laughing Laughing

I, too, have no idea of what made the difference.

I am in the midst of a serious form slump. I am ranked below 400 from a career high of 3. I was promoted after my 3rd loss in a row!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

The suggestion that a Lt Col. should win every scenario from both sides (after achieving that rank) may be valid as I recently completed that and gheintze has also done it.

I am actually pleased that exacts steps for this promotion aren't known.
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 03:55
Congratulations to you both! Better men could not have reached the rank first!! Cool
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 04:43
Phread wrote on Sat, 18 June 2011 21:39

Finally made it and just beat a more deserving player to become a Colonel.

I am sorry that I beat gheintze to the Colonel rank by a mere 5 minutes. He deserved to be first.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Of course having got there first can I pull rank on him? Laughing Laughing Laughing

I, too, have no idea of what made the difference.

I am in the midst of a serious form slump. I am ranked below 400 from a career high of 3. I was promoted after my 3rd loss in a row!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

The suggestion that a Lt Col. should win every scenario from both sides (after achieving that rank) may be valid as I recently completed that and gheintze has also done it.

I am actually pleased that exacts steps for this promotion aren't known.


Phread, you are too kind and modest. We're apparently just about equally deserving since they were only 5 minutes apart. Smile

I got it after a loss as well. Who knows what it is -- but I find myself not caring after being promoted Laughing

Thanks to Jesse also for his kind words.

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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 06:32
congrats to both P & G for a well-deserved promotion Cool
      
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 06:50
Congratulations, Geoff and Phread.

Out of curiosity, at the time of your promotion, how many wins, and how many losses, did each of you have as a Lt Colonel (A) against Cadets, and (B) in total?

One sign that a Cadet has been well trained might be his ability to defeat a Lt Colonel.
      
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