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Nygaard's Expert Scenarios Sun, 17 July 2011 09:52
Linyi is now online and available for those of you with access to Expert mode.

In spring 1938 the Chinese Nationalist Army attempted a counter attack near the town of Linyi, where the fighting had been hard for several days.
Unfortunately for the Chinese strong Japanese formations were moving towards Linyi at the same time.

Comments are more than welcome, good gaming.

Magnus

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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 18:26
Great idea for a battle. I'll get back to you with an opinion after I field test both sides.

Do you know any good sources for historicl battle info?
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 18:45
Great idea for a battle. I'll get back to you with an opinion after I field test both sides.

Do you know any good sources for historicl battle info?
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 19:25
I liked the battle. It's more my style than last weeks battle.

I loved playing it against it's creator, even if it meant losing.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 19:29
jamesherrell wrote on Sun, 17 July 2011 18:45

Great idea for a battle. I'll get back to you with an opinion after I field test both sides.

Do you know any good sources for historicl battle info?


I use this page a lot:
http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php?sid=90cbc00f01efaef5c f41b17a98e73555
There are some very knowleagble people on this forum. You ask about just about anything and someone will know.

Looking forward to your comments Smile
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 19:32
Quit2 wrote on Sun, 17 July 2011 19:25

I liked the battle. It's more my style than last weeks battle.

I loved playing it against it's creator, even if it meant losing.



hehe - to be honest I got VERY lucky on my last turn Smile
Thanks for playing.

And yeah, I know that Taierzhuang was an acquired taste, Linyi is more standard.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 20:53
I've strengthened the Chinese just a little bit in the center - since the Japanese get their Seishin Kyoiku doctrine (+1 dice in CC when at full strength) for the three weakened units in the center. That wasn't really the plan and it makes the Japanese a little too strong early in the game.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 17 July 2011 23:31
Nygaard wrote on Sun, 17 July 2011 13:32

And yeah, I know that Taierzhuang was an acquired taste, Linyi is more standard.

(With apologies to Wm. Shakespeare)

If Taierzhuang be the food of acquired taste, play on.
Give me excess of it.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 24 July 2011 13:19
Huang Mei-hsing's Last Charge is now online.

Shanghai 1937.

Good luck everybody,
Magnus
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 31 July 2011 21:44
Chiangyin Fortress is now online.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 01 August 2011 21:17
Hi Nygaard,

I played your Chiangyin Fortress scenario twice as the Chinese and got beaten badly. It was impossible to hold off the Japanese inf., armor, and the three artillery. There was not enough fire power in return even in good defensive positions. Maybe less artillery for the Japanese? change the Chinese armor in the fortress to an artillery? Also, the two infantry on the road are sitting ducks for the Japanese to kill, giving them an easy road to one of the objectives. Also, it may be a good idea to make the Japanese infantry on their left flank only use the road to take the objective by blocking their way over the mountains.

Anyway, thank you for sharing this scenario with everyone!
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 01 August 2011 21:59
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 01 August 2011 21:17

Hi Nygaard,

I played your Chiangyin Fortress scenario twice as the Chinese and got beaten badly. It was impossible to hold off the Japanese inf., armor, and the three artillery. There was not enough fire power in return even in good defensive positions. Maybe less artillery for the Japanese? change the Chinese armor in the fortress to an artillery? Also, the two infantry on the road are sitting ducks for the Japanese to kill, giving them an easy road to one of the objectives. Also, it may be a good idea to make the Japanese infantry on their left flank only use the road to take the objective by blocking their way over the mountains.

Anyway, thank you for sharing this scenario with everyone!


Good points.

The Chinese "Armor" represents machine guns, and I would change it straight away to that if that had been available for the online version. Making it an artillery piece might be an option - I'll have to look into that once the game has been played a few times more.

The mountains should work as block/potential defensive positions - but they have not been implemented yet. So my idea was that the Japanese could only take it with infantry, and the Chinese could move to the mountains to get a better defensive position. But until mountains work as they should, this "bug" in the scenario will persist.

Finally - the Chinese "forward" units are slightly sitting ducks - I agree - but not having them made it impossible to counter the Japanese early in the game - so I kept them. At one point I had only 1 unit blocking the victory location, but that made it worse.

Thanks a lot for your critique,
Magnus
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Thu, 04 August 2011 23:05
OK - the Chinese are supposed to loose more than win, but 10% is too little. I've upgraded their "machine guns" to real artillery.
We'll see how that goes.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 07 August 2011 08:04
Battle for Luodian is now online.

Enjoy Smile
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 17:54
Hi Nygaard,

I played your Linyi scenario against the AI from both sides last night. I won 7-6 as the Chinese and 7-5 as the Japanese. The AI made a bunch of tactical errors to enable me to win as the Chinese. I think it would be very hard for the Chinese to win more than 30% of the time against a quality opponent. That being said, I still really liked this one. Thanks for sharing!

By the way, I'm not really interested in medal or promotion chasing and would like to play these new expert scenarios against a human opponents. If any of you are interested in playing these types of scenarios, let me know, and I'll put you on my buddy list and look for you online. Thanks.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 18:10
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 08 August 2011 17:54

Hi Nygaard,

I played your Linyi scenario against the AI from both sides last night. I won 7-6 as the Chinese and 7-5 as the Japanese. The AI made a bunch of tactical errors to enable me to win as the Chinese. I think it would be very hard for the Chinese to win more than 30% of the time against a quality opponent. That being said, I still really liked this one. Thanks for sharing!



Hi Llama,
Aren't you talking about Luodian? I'd say Luodian is about 35%/65% or maybe 40%/60%.

The trick for the Chinese is to flank and keep their Armor alive until the late-middle - end part of the game. Also, sniping at Japanese infantry is really useful, and as soon as they loose 1 figure the Chinese units are superior, being elites.
AND USE THE JUNGLES! Staying in the jungles more or less eliminates the advantage of the Japanese armor.

Thanks for playing!

And like you, I really like playing expert scenarios - so if anyone want to test their map out - or try somebody else's let me know.

Magnus
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 18:30
Would you mind giving a shot at 'Assaulting Torda'? Very Happy (I don't have the Expert Mode).

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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 18:37
nemesszili wrote on Mon, 08 August 2011 18:30

Would you mind giving a shot at 'Assaulting Torda'? Very Happy (I don't have the Expert Mode).


Looks very cool. But I'll have to play this one at work "in real life". I'll get back to you when I have.

Shouldn't DoW finance your Expert mode? With all the fantastic scenarios you have made!
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 19:09
Thanks for playing it, it is really 'a last piece of the puzzle'. You'll see soon what I'm talking about. Smile

Well, thank you; I do my best to make quality scenarios. Smile I must say, that your scenarios rock, too - they are historical, simple (most of the time, but the complex ones seem nice, too) and challenging. I was really looking forward to play Assault on Antsin, but I was busy with other Memoir stuff.

DoW already did a lot of favors for me (for instance, shipping here), so I can't have any expectations with them. Maybe in 2 years we can see each other on the battlefield! Cool
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 20:54
nemesszili wrote on Mon, 08 August 2011 19:09

(snip)Maybe in 2 years we can see each other on the battlefield! Cool

2 years!!! The war will be over by then! Smile
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 22:32
Nygaard, with all those scenario's you made, ... do you have a list of things that are not allowed in the online mode?
I keep making scenario's that cannot startup because certain "items" in them are not supported yet.

I know that road crossing railroad is not supported yet.
But I did not use that in the latest, and it also fails to load.

A complete list of non-supported items would be great ... I'd ask DoW staff if they weren't so busy making goodies for us, so you are the next best thing ...
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 08 August 2011 23:32
So far I've found the following things that doesn't work

- Railroads + RR bridges
- Cruisers
- Machine Guns & Mortars
- Cemetary (guess the dead don't want visitors staying too long)
- Mountains
- Landing Crafts
- Japanese Engineers (should have the Nations 3 effect)
- Japanese Elite units (works only as normal Japanese)
- Mines (they explode for both sides)
- Empty bunkers (they don't grant protection for any sides, no matter how you turn them)
- 88mm Guns
- Depleted Units (while you can make units with less figures you can't make them worth 0 medals.
- Fordable Rivers
- Fordable Streams
- Placing artillery or armor in Fortresses is possible - but they can retreat out - which shouldn't be.
- Roads on Hills (they just work like roads - no blocking line of sight.
- Exit markers for the reversed side (I've got a few maps where the exit markers are on the "near side" of the map - to simulate fighting withdrawals - but that's not possible).
- Any and all special victory contidions (sudden death, permanent medals, majority medals, etc.).
- Any and all special actions (smoke screen, night attack, blitz rules, etc.)

That's what I can think off right now.
I'm sure there's more...
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 00:05
Hmm ... my refused scenario has neither of those ...

I also think you slightly misunderstood my question: you gave me the list of things that still allow to load a scenario but don't work like supposed to ... I would like to have a list of things that refuse the scenario to start up ...
Like the road crossing railroad: if you put it in a scenario, you cannot even start it up ...

But thank you for the list ... also very helpful.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 01:44
Hi LooneyLlama:


I would be happy to play the Expert Mode Battles with you any time. Very Happy
Add me to your list and look for me on-line. Cool

Bob
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 02:03
NYgaard, yes I meant Luodian. Sorry. When I played, I did as you suggested and moved the Chinese infantry into jungles ASAP and tried to hide my armor. The AI didn't use the Japanese artillery very well. A good player would move that artillery up and blast away to soften up the Chinese defenses. There is very little in my opinion the Chinese can do offensively without getting too exposed. Mostly counterpunch. How did you flank offensively with the Chinese?
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 02:05
SgtBob49, you are now on my buddy list! Put me on yours.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 08:08
Quit2 wrote on Tue, 09 August 2011 00:05

Hmm ... my refused scenario has neither of those ...

I also think you slightly misunderstood my question: you gave me the list of things that still allow to load a scenario but don't work like supposed to ... I would like to have a list of things that refuse the scenario to start up ...
Like the road crossing railroad: if you put it in a scenario, you cannot even start it up ...

But thank you for the list ... also very helpful.


Ahh... Now that I don't get either. Some maps won't load even if you remove all the elements mentioned above - I don't know why or how. Other maps seems to load easily even when filled with items not yet implemented in Expert. I'm at a loss there.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 09 August 2011 16:01
LooneyLlama:

I have added you to my buddy list. See you on-line

Bob
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 14 August 2011 20:39
Invasion of Amoy (an important naval port of the south-east coast of China) is now online.

This one should be very hard for the Chinese.

As always, comments and ratings are more than welcome.

Magnus

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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 21 August 2011 16:31
Fight for Dachang is now online. Not as simple as it seems at first.

Comments and ratings are welcome as always.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 22 August 2011 13:55
Nygaard,

Thanks for this new scenario. I enjoyed playing the one before against you !

For this one, you say: "not as simple as it seems" : for who ?
Who do you think is the favourite side ?

The Chinese, with 12 units vs 10 for Japan, and two strong flanks ?
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 22 August 2011 17:42
Nygaard,

I just want to say that Fight for Dachang is absolutely fabulous. I played it solo from both sides and won as Japanese and lost as Allies. Both games turned dramatically as I thought I had lost the first one and had won the second. This scenario will go down as a classic!! I would love to play it online against you. Please post hear or P.M. me as to when you are usually playing. Thanks.

      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Mon, 22 August 2011 21:54
Hi Magnus:

Fight for Dachang is an excellent scenario and well though out! I played it as the Japanese and won solo. Have to play it next as the Chinese. All of your new scenarios are very good. Cool

I hope to play this one and others with you next time we are on-line. Very Happy

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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 23 August 2011 09:13
Thanks for all the praise, guys!

tinsoldier wrote on Mon, 22 August 2011 13:55

Nygaard,

Thanks for this new scenario. I enjoyed playing the one before against you !

For this one, you say: "not as simple as it seems" : for who ?
Who do you think is the favourite side ?

The Chinese, with 12 units vs 10 for Japan, and two strong flanks ?


For both I hope. Razz

While the Japanese player has a slight advantage simply because of the superior artillery - they have too few ground units (and especially too few infantry) to throw them away in uncoordinated BANZAI attacks.
For the Chinese player, while he has 2 relatively easy points to pick up from the advanced Japanese units, he will be constantly threatened by one or the other Japanese artillery.

So - I suspect that the Japanese have a slight advantage in the hands of a patient player who can use the artillery to good effect.

I tried to make the map appear relatively obvious (the Chinese need to attack the flanks and hold the center, the reverse is true for the Japanese) but with limited units to actually carry out those strategies. That's what I meant with the "not as simple as it looks" comment, nothing more. Smile

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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Tue, 23 August 2011 12:26
Nygaard,

Thks for your answer. I will try the scenario tonight.
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 28 August 2011 21:26
Lugou Bridge Incident is now online. It's another map that suffers from the lack of fordable rivers on the Expert mode, but I hope it's interesting anyway.

Good luck.

Magnus
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 04 September 2011 09:54
Retreat from Shanghai is now online. A piece of advice for the Chinese player: Don't be a hero! You are most likely going to need at least 2 medals from retreatning units.

Have fun,
Magnus
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 04 September 2011 11:11
Nice Mission ! It is indeed a misfortune that there are no caretakers unit in M44. You could induce infantry to retrieve bunker's keys in some way. Like secret door cards in fantasy games. Chinese are stronger than it was in the real world. It is very difficult to dispose of their artillery, which is quite a nuisance for the axis player. I won the first mission with japanese with one medal's difference with all my remaining units entrenched on the back line and desperately shooting one dice with art and sniper. and the chinese didn't try to flee. In the rematch i brought out two chinese inf left units and won quite easily.

Bravo !
      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Sun, 04 September 2011 12:51
Vekkiller wrote on Sun, 04 September 2011 11:11

Nice Mission ! It is indeed a misfortune that there are no caretakers unit in M44. You could induce infantry to retrieve bunker's keys in some way. Like secret door cards in fantasy games. Chinese are stronger than it was in the real world. It is very difficult to dispose of their artillery, which is quite a nuisance for the axis player. I won the first mission with japanese with one medal's difference with all my remaining units entrenched on the back line and desperately shooting one dice with art and sniper. and the chinese didn't try to flee. In the rematch i brought out two chinese inf left units and won quite easily.

Bravo !


LOL - "TROOPS #18 - Caretakers"...

You are right that the Chinese are stronger than they were in the real world - or at least more organized. From the way I read it - Chiang Kai Chek was loosing control of the tired and retreating Chinese units. They never seriously tried to hold the Wufu line - and most units just bypassed it and continued to Nanking.

I still think the Japanese has the advantage Smile I predict about 40/60

      
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Re:Nygaard's Expert Scenario of the Week Thu, 08 September 2011 12:59
Played Retreat from Shanghai yesterday. Great scenario. Even if I lost twice ... 30% hit rate with the Japanese.

I think I wasted too much dice to try to kill the Chinese Arty. The thing is that my opponent had killed one of my Arty during the first game with a single shot from the sniper ! I was trying to get a revenge. Very ineffectively ...

Thks Magnus
      
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