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rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 25 January 2012 23:05

stevens wrote on Thu, 26 January 2012 07:02 So what you are saying Jesse is that to a JUNGLE FIGHTER, Jungle Terrain is treated as if it was an open Terrain Hex. Is this correct? Hence: 1. No movement restriction. 2. No battle restriction on entry 3. No dice reduction when attacking a unit on a Jungle Hex. Just as if was an open Terrain hex. I would have to look at my copy of the book and read through the Jungle Fighter rules carefully before saying for sure. Is that not the rules you understand for those troops? EDIT: I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here because I'm at work and can't access my Player Aid or my copy of the Campaign Book. Can someone post the Rules we have for Jungle Fighters? Otherwise I'll just look them up when I get home and post my thoughts!

The way I READ the rule - and I could be wrong, is that there is no movement restriction when moving through a jungle hex or dice reduction when battling a unit in a jungle hex, however, I am not certain that the JUNGLE FIGHTER ignores the:

NO BATTLE ON ENTRY when not starting entry from an adjacent hex rule.

This might come up on an INFANTRY ASSAULT card where the attacking unit enters the jungle hex on his second movement. Normally this unit would not be able to battle, because he didnt enter immediatly from an adjacent hex. But if there is no battle entry restriction, then he could move two hexes into a jungle hex and battle. John clearly points this out in his text above.



I am like you though. It would be WAY SIMPLER if the battle restriction on entry was ALSO waived, though I don't think the wording in the book makes this absolutely clear. We need a definite ruling from DOW.

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Brummbar44 wrote on Thu, 26 January 2012 10:15

My intent on the Jungle Fighters was that they simply ignore all the effects of Jungle terrain as if it were not there (ie. it doesn't stop them, they may battle from it no matter if they moved 1 or 2 hexes into it and it provides no protection for opposing units on it being attacked by these units). So in essence, yes Stevens sums it up best Jungle Fighters can treat Jungle terrain as if it were an Open terrain hex for all intents and purposes.

Thanks Malcolm for the clarification on the question and all your work on the Campaign Book #2.

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Brummbar44 wrote on Thu, 26 January 2012 11:39

Sorry...my answer wasn't quite accurate. For movement and battle restrictions, Jungle Fighters ignore the Jungle terrain effects...however, they can't really treat them like an Open terrain hex because Jungles still do block LOS (small but important clarification!).

Makes sense. You don't want those bullets ricocheting off the bamboo.

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nemesszili wrote on Mon, 13 February 2012 06:55

yangtze wrote on Mon, 13 February 2012 13:12 In the Singapore scenario the intention is that neither tanks not artillery may enter the Johore Strait. So the only way the tanks can get ashore on Singapore Island is via a repaired Causeway. This presents both players with a number of choices. The Japanese player may want to get the tanks ashore to support the final push, but may lose a tempo in the process if too many orders go to the engineers. Similarly the British may find the Japanese in their rear areas sooner than expected if they spend too much effort trying to stop the engineers. As someone has already pointed out, the Japanese can win without the tanks... My apologies for the lack of clarity. Nothing to do with the guys at DoW! So do we actually need to give an order to the engineers to repair the bridge? Just quoting: "After playing a Command Card and before any units are ordered..." - I deduce from this wording that they automatically repair the bridge. The first time I played the scenario I wasted a LOT of rolls on repairing instead of attacking the Tommies...

I played it like sabotage or night rules. The dice were rolled without an order/ just as a routine roll at the beginning of the Axis turn ( as long as the engineer was on the bridge hex).



Is this correct???

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