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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 23 May 2012 12:55
Congrats General Stevens
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00
Helcat wrote on Wed, 23 May 2012 06:55

Congrats General Stevens


Merci mon ami!

Coming from the 1st General to the 20th General I take it as a GREAT compliment.

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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 28 May 2012 23:22
Twenty already?.

I stopped counting.

KR Hellcat

P.S. updated; wrong link

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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 07 June 2012 23:23
Welcome to Brigadier General #21 Brigadier General black sheep. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Congratulations Brigadier General. Pull up a chair and tell us about the trials and tribulations on your journey from Colonel to Brigadier General.

What lessons did you learn, or would you share Question Question Question
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 00:16
Congrats Blacksheep on your promotion. Glad to no longer be the last horse in the stable.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 07:18
A salute to Brigadier Blacksheep.

Welcome to the bar, sir. Make your wishes known to the personel and they will accommodate them. Sorry for the, temporary, mess, but we have barely recovered from the D-Day mess. Pfieieieiew.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 12:13
Hello good fellows,

Thank you for your congratulations Phread, Stevens and Jeronimon.

About my journey: it was a long way to the top. I've fought in the deserts, through the jungles, in the bunkers and in the snow,on nearly every battlefield but it was only fun. That's the magic of M44 because I've met only excellent and nice players.

Well, I am glad to join you in the most respected bar.
Have a whisky on me. I'll take it dry if you don't mind.

Cheers!
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 13:52
Curiouser and curiouser.

In SFTF as Colonel, Black sheep had 62 wins as Allies and 62 wins as Axis. Only 8 of those wins came on the Eastern Front as Axis (and 13 as Allies). And before becoming a Colonel, he had no Eastern wins. So, once again, it can't be the number of wins on each side of each front.

He got promoted after his 25th consecutive Standard game since his last Expert victory, so it clearly requires something from Standard scenarios. Only 8 of those games were victories, but the game in which he was promoted was a loss. And it was a loss to a Colonel, so it's not about the number of Cadets played.

As a Colonel, he won a total of only 5 Mediterranean Standard battles and 9 Pacific Standard battles. His last 3 Standard wins were all in scenarios he had previously won as a Colonel.

So, what was the tipping point? Confused This is very puzzling.

Heartiest congratulations to Black sheep.

Somehow, he found some key that I've overlooked, and I've looked at every variable I can think of. I just wish someone could tell me what he's got that I ain't got.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 14:22
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 07:52



So, what was the tipping point? Confused This is very puzzling.

Heartiest congratulations to Black sheep.

Somehow, he found some key that I've overlooked, and I've looked at every variable I can think of. I just wish someone could tell me what he's got that I ain't got.


Whay makes the Hottentot so hot, what puts the "ape" in apricot,
what do they got that I ain't got.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPP6L1_ooaQ
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 14:27
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 13:52


Somehow, he found some key that I've overlooked, and I've looked at every variable I can think of. I just wish someone could tell me what he's got that I ain't got.

Sam,

Somehow he stubled upon the key. I don't think he was looking for it. And he doesn't seem to know what it is.

I think we can be certain that expert is a key too, but as you say, there has to be something else too.
Maybe total number of games played/won either since the start or since being a colonel.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 15:34
has anyone considered 'expert' achievement badges might be required for promotion to Brigadier ?

Might be worth comparing the current generals achievements and seeing if there's a common denominator which is missing from those seeking promotion.

stevie
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 15:59
stevie02 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 15:34

has anyone considered 'expert' achievement badges might be required for promotion to Brigadier ?

Might be worth comparing the current generals achievements and seeing if there's a common denominator which is missing from those seeking promotion.

stevie

Henry Pelham is a Brigadier General and he has only the expert badges Total victory and Bring boys back home.
Sam has those too.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 16:34
I say Alwan has some answers. He predicted Quits promotion correctly.

Let's capture him and get the answer from him. Mad

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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 08 June 2012 16:46
AIwan écrit

(...) some time ago I guessed what is needed to get promoted (the 1st criterion is related to expert games [here I am 95% sure +/- one game]; the second one to games after promotion to colonel [90%, +/- 3 games]).


I'd be very interested to read what your guesses were by that time...
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 09 June 2012 01:34
Quit2 wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 08:27

I think we can be certain that expert is a key too, but as you say, there has to be something else too.
Maybe total number of games played/won either since the start or since being a colonel.

Interesting questions. (By the way, I want to emphasize that this is about figuring out how to solve the puzzle for everybody. While I may have a robust data set to study, and I've tried and eliminated a lot of hypotheses, this isn't about me.)

On cumulative-since-start, my total games and wins exceed Black sheep's by at least 20% for Standard, Expert, and Total.

On games-as-Colonel, I have more total games and wins, and I have more Expert games and wins. I have fewer Standard games (363 vs 393) and Standard wins (228 vs 236) -- but there don't seem to be any nice, round numbers there. Also, my games are more broadly distributed.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 09 June 2012 02:02
the people in charge{the real generals}are sittin back laughin at us tryin to figure it out.they should post requirements but that may affect their income!oh well,just keep swimming.gl cu out there and hf!
also,congrats to everyone who were lucky enough to get here.


p.s.they will make 6 million more by the next promotion.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 09 June 2012 09:28
I understand the desire of DOW to keep promotion requirements under wraps as it adds a bit of mystique and therefore fun, not to mention some excellent threads for discussion. However, this current ( brigadier) one seems to be a bit to much of a mystery.

I've not paid too much attention to the requirements as I was one of those who blundered into promotion, way before I expected it. There are some sharp cookies out there who I know are wizards with stats and data, and certainly Sam1812 seems to be one of them who looks as if he should have been there long ago. I say ''come on DOW, throw us a bone here'', whats the missing ingredient ?

Stevie
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 09 June 2012 09:37
Sam 1812,

I'd like to help you but I really don't know what I 've done "special" to win the promotion.

A lot of players are better than me and played more games.
I know the rules for sure but sometimes play so bad.

So, what makes the difference? May be luck or the players you play with. I am looking for an answer to help you...I don't often invite a player, I prefer to wait on a map or to be invited.

You may read the list of my games and draw your own conclusions.

We've got nothing more - just played and reached a row (as Hester said - I play often with him- a very good and pleasant player).
It's part of the game and it's funny but if we only think about the next promotion, it may become a job.

Anyway,I understand your disappointment and I am sure you'll be General soon as all the other Colonels.
Play on and why not with me next time. I am sure you'll give me a lesson.
      
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  Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 12 June 2012 00:33
A very cold Wink welcome to our latest General.


Congratulations.

[Updated on: Tue, 12 June 2012 00:39]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 00:37
#22 Brigadier sam 1812

Code cracked apparently.


You seem to be a bit sparse here gentlemen, I shall send some tinned peaches and condensed milk across from the Colonels' bar

[Updated on: Wed, 04 July 2012 00:39]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 01:44
Whew! Good to see you all!

One moment, I was seeing stars from being swept by a Lt Colonel at St Vith, and the next moment, I realized that one of the stars was on my shoulder. Then, I looked around and found myself in here.

How did I get here? I'm still trying to figure that out.

695 games as Colonel:

> 394 Standard (245 wins). Over 80 on each front. Both sides of all the new scenarios as Colonel.
> There are several Standard scenarios that I didn't re-win on both sides (including St Vith) -- and three that I didn't play at all -- as Colonel.

> 301 Expert (177 wins), played against 73 different opponents. At least 60 Expert games and 37 wins on each front. The last Expert game was my 60th Eastern.
> 36 Expert scenarios where I won both sides (at least 7 on each front). 64 where I won at least one side.

1559 games in total:

> 1241 Standard (798 wins). At least 185 games and 129 wins on each front.
> 318 Expert (188 wins). At least 60 on each front.

Other than that, just clean living, so -- heartily thanking Van Voort for the welcome and the provisions -- let's make it a round of milk shakes for everybody! I'll have mine with mint ice cream and chocolate syrup. And some maraschino cherries on the side.

Cheers, everyone! And thank you, DOW and Richard for setting this place up!

Sam
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 03:35
Congratulations Brigadier General sam1812 and welcome welcome welcome. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Perhaps it is your outstanding record in the SFTF tournament that has come to the attention of High Command and lead to your promotion (or perhaps not). Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Of course the real question is "What took you so long to get here?"


You are deserving of your promotion with all the work you do supporting the online league.

[Updated on: Wed, 04 July 2012 03:36]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 04:06
Congrats Sam! One of the best players I've played and a fun opponent as well -- this promotion is long overdue...

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 12:50
Generals, Officers, salutation Smile

An idea came to me. What about the number of matches (one side then back, not necessarily 2 victory, but a match win) won is the requirement, instead of the number of battles ?...
A suggestion really.

Thanks for the clues anyway Cool

[Updated on: Wed, 04 July 2012 12:51]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 14:36
Thank you, Phread and Geoff, for the warm reception. Your words have healed the wounds of the match that zapped me into here. Smile
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 04 July 2012 20:09
I've reviewed the records of eight Brigadiers, and at the moment, I still don't know how we got here.

"Brigadier Generals are Experts from all sides." Or taking a translation of the French clue, "Regardless of the flag under which they fight, Brigadier Generals have proven repeatedly that they were real military experts." Of course, the puzzle is to figure out what this means, and many of us have focused in the area of Expert scenarios.

If "all sides" means all nationalities, as Colonel, I won Mont Mouchet twice as Allies, and Vassieux not at all. In my career, it's 13 and 3 times, respectively.

I haven't spotted any answers in the number of Expert wins or games per front. At the time of their promotion, unless I've made a mistake, it appears to me that three of the Brigadiers I studied had fewer than 100 lifetime Expert wins. For one of them, I see only 7 lifetime Mediterranean Expert wins in 11 games.

Assuming I didn't miss any games, and assuming I haven't made any transcribing errors, here are the ranges I see. (In cases where I couldn't determine exactly when someone was promoted to Colonel, I've counted the ambiguous battles as Colonel, so some numbers may be slightly high.)

Expert wins as Colonel: 86-262
Standard wins as Colonel: 236-787
Total wins as Colonel: 360-879

Expert wins, career: 86-267
Standard wins, career: 594-1149
Total wins, career: 719-1245

Expert games played as Colonel: 142-359
Standard games played as Colonel: 394-1292
Total games played as Colonel: 579-1434

Expert games played, career: 151-368
Standard games played, career: 964-2006
Total games played, career: 1144-2157

Several of us did not re-win, or even re-play, every Standard scenarios as Colonels.

Immediately before their promotion game, some people played a long string of Standard battles, others played a long string of Expert battles, and others played just one or two Expert games (with at least one win), and then lost their promotion game. In one case, the two pre-promotion Expert battles were at '[SCW] No Pasaran!" which is interesting, because it is not associated with any front.

So, at the moment, if somebody asks, "Why are we here?" I'll refer them to today's announcement about the Higgs boson.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 06 July 2012 07:52
Welcome to Brigadier #23 Brigadier bonsey. Congratulations.

Tell us about your journey.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 July 2012 07:53]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 13 July 2012 06:42
Perhaps it is a combination of stats, as a percentage:
Number of games played (after promotion) with a requirement to play both Axis and Allies, and win a min. %.

This could explain why some people get promoted on a loss.

Rematch battles might also be the measurement. Do most of the current Brigs. play the majority of their battles with a rematch?
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 13 July 2012 07:21
It has been clearly stated and proven (imho) that SFTF wins are needed for promotion from Colonel to Brigadier.

The exact number/combination of SFTF wins/fronts hasn't been proven exactly as the number has varied between newly promoted Brigadiers.

A win or loss in a standard battle is required to activate a promotion - this is why Brigadiers may promoted after a loss in a standard battle. (This is standard for all promotions.)

Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to the length of the Colonel's career Question
Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to number of SFTF battles a Colonel has played Question
Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to age of the Colonel Question

No one has been able to determine any reliable measure of when a Colonel will be promotoed.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 13 July 2012 07:32
Maybe it's just because I haunt had my morning coffee but I can't remember what the SFTP acronym is for.

Edit: SFTF... must be that lack of coffee. Embarassed

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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 13 July 2012 09:09
SFTF = Scenario From The Front aka Expert scenarios. User created scenarios.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 13 July 2012 12:28
Phread wrote on Fri, 13 July 2012 01:21

It has been clearly stated and proven (imho) that SFTF wins are needed for promotion from Colonel to Brigadier.

The exact number/combination of SFTF wins/fronts hasn't been proven exactly as the number has varied between newly promoted Brigadiers.

Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to the length of the Colonel's career Question
Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to number of SFTF battles a Colonel has played Question
Is the number of SFTF wins needed related to age of the Colonel Question


No one has been able to determine any reliable measure of when a Colonel will be promotoed.


Yes!!! Rolling Eyes Twisted Evil Laughing
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 31 July 2012 23:50
sam1812 wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 14:09

I've reviewed the records of eight Brigadiers, and at the moment, I still don't know how we got here....

It appears to me that three of the Brigadiers I studied had fewer than 100 lifetime Expert wins. For one of them, I see only 7 lifetime Mediterranean Expert wins in 11 games.

...Here are the ranges I see.

Expert wins as Colonel: 86-262_________/games played: 142-359
Standard wins as Colonel: 236-787______/games played: 394-1292
Total wins as Colonel: 360-879_________/games played: 579-1434

Expert wins, career: 86-267____________/games played: 151-368
Standard wins, career: 594-1149________/games played: 964-2006
Total wins, career: 719-1245___________/games played: 1144-2157

...Immediately before their promotion game, some people played a long string of Standard battles....
(edited for clarity)


Hi,
I decided the last couple weeks to go for expert scenario wins and played almost 50 games to make 10 wins each side, each front, but I didn't make Brigadier.

Since Colonel:
E:160/269*
S:28/48
T:188/317
Career:
E:237/394*
S:373/593**
T:610/987=61.8% (yay)
*Record includes 17/24 vs Johnny, but not the approx. dozen from the scenario I deleted.
**Online says I have 594 battles.

I'm almost out of G.I.s so this is about it. My guess is 500 combined scenarios since Colonel (because Colonel was 250). I started playing in August 2011, so if there's a 1-year requirement, I'll try one more on my anniversary!

I wouldn't be surprised if they set it up so you can't make it without buying another set of G.I.s. I discovered it was almost impossible to make Captain on the Free Trial before they added Juno and Pegasus for free.

Good luck.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 01 August 2012 17:16
can`t be a one year requirementidn`t start until october 2011.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Wed, 01 August 2012 22:57
It isn't a one year requirement.

My record is
Colonel to Brigadier 223 days, but only 18 days after announcement of the Brigadier rank.
205 days as Colonel waiting for the new rank to be announced.

Others will have shorter times than me, as I was the 1st Colonel (by 5 minutes) and the 6th Brigader (IIRC).

I wasn't playing much SFTF battles before the announcement of the new Brigadier rank and had to quickly accumulate enough SFTF wins.

It was frustrating to see others promoted (eg Magnus) with many less SFTF wins.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 12 August 2012 23:51
After a 37 day pause we welcome to Brigadier #24 Brigadier General kurivial. Congratulations.

Tell us about your journey.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 23 August 2012 17:34
Today I finally got my promotion after losing as Axis at Hellfire pass. Of course, I have no clue about the means to obtain promotion to Generale di Brigata. I just played a lot, mostly during my august holidays, after a long spell of sparse engagements. I played both expert and standard, trying to play on all fronts. I played 1109 standard and 253 expert. My winning % is about 60 % in standard battles, not too high to deserve promotion on that basis. My ranking is average, only once i managed to reach the top positions but i found it was stressful and no fun at all. And I'm not enough a good player. Now i think i deserve a little rest and i'm going to sit at the B-bar to drink an ice-cold cocktail in this hot, sweltering end of august.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Thu, 23 August 2012 22:36
Welcome to Brigadier #35 Generale di Brigata Vekkiller. Congratulations.

Thanks for announcing your own arrival at the Brigadier's Bar and getting your own drink.

Everyone who qualifies for this rank deserves it. You are being too modest. You have a fine record and are a worthy member of this experienced band.

[Updated on: Thu, 23 August 2012 22:37]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 24 August 2012 01:14
Congratulations Vekkiller,

I agree with Phread - don't be so modest. You're a fearsome opponent.

If you're looking to relax for a while at the Brigadier's Bar, why not get a pet? JRyan has a parrot and I have a (sometimes lucky) duck.

http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj613/jamesherrell/DonaldandParrot.png

It is fun sometimes to just put your feet up and watch the antics of those of lesser rank...

Jim

[Updated on: Fri, 24 August 2012 01:15]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 24 August 2012 14:07
In case someone would like to create a SFTF including an HQ, feel free to use my "brigadier bar tile".
Just make sure to place it way far behind the frontline Cool


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