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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 10:44
Points/ranking isn't it. I've (finally) made it back in to the top 100 (just below Nygaard) and that didn't help.

Number of battles won in distinct/unique SFTF scenarios looks interesting.
As a Colonel I have 34 distinct SFTF wins so it is back to the battle for me.

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 13:06
Further analysis reveals that Helcat had 65 distinct victories as a Colonel...

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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 16:19
It could be Helcat had already met the requirement when the rank was opened up. How much was it for Nygaard?

No I am not lazy (OK, a bit Wink ) But I can't acces spreadsheets from this device.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 16:25
I suggest something like this for the Brigadier Bar...

(mannequins are just place-holders for now)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mickb6265/6329266009/

Hey... how do I include a picture directly, not as links?

[Updated on: Fri, 27 January 2012 16:29]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 16:33
Jeronimon wrote on Fri, 27 January 2012 10:19

It could be Helcat had already met the requirement when the rank was opened up. How much was it for Nygaard?

No I am not lazy (OK, a bit Wink ) But I can't acces spreadsheets from this device.


I'll need to check, but I'm pretty sure that Helcat played a few expert battles and online battles after the promotion was release but before he was promoted...

Update: That is indeed the case. Helcat played several more battles after the promotion was released (both official and expert) so that last battle was the triggering battle.

Geoff

[Updated on: Fri, 27 January 2012 16:37]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 18:51
Hmm, it seems like we need a few more promotions to figure out the triggers for promotion.

Most probably it is a combination of requirements.

For instance: Phread has more SFTF wins than Nygaard since the last promotion, and he has more regular wins than Helcat. But how about the total of wins/games played on expert and regular combined since promotion to colonel?
That total of games won, combined with a certain spread of wins in expert battles could be the trigger.


      
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  Re:Brigadier Bar Fri, 27 January 2012 19:32
Quote:

I suggest something like this for the Brigadier Bar... ... Hey... how do I include a picture directly, not as links?


Looks cozy enough for me Smile

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6036/6329266009_1907244b90_m.jpg

Go to the flickr page, right click on the photo, click view page source, look at the HTML code and find a string that has .jpg in it

<link rel="image_src" href="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6036/6329266009_1907244b 90_m.jpg">

Copy the line starting http ending on .jpg

Click on the insert picture link and paste this link.

[Updated on: Sun, 29 January 2012 10:19]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 01:11
I think Jeronimon is correct - given DOW's preference for round numbers, I think the conditions for promotion to Brigadier are straightforward.

Question: What do the numbers 97+55 and 71+69 have in common?
Answer: the first equation adds up to 152 and the second equation adds up to 140.

In other words, to make Brigadier one needs to play 140 games against human opponents in Expert mode since being promoted to Colonel.

My own analysis indicates that the total is more likely 125 - which happens to be exactly half of 250 (the number required for Colonel).

I do not think it is an coincidence that Expert games cost 3 points each to play, along with the purchase of a Major pack to access.

Ah, gotta love the French.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 03:31
Bad news, Colonel jamesherrell, I have proven your theory incorrect.

I have 150 SFTF wins as Colonel and no promotion. Crying or Very Sad Crying or Very Sad Crying or Very Sad
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 19:31
I have peeked and like many of you, I must be close but cannot see the important difference.

400+ wins on official scenarios as Col against humans
130+ wins on a wide variety of expert scenarios as Col against humans
70+ unique expert wins against humans
enough wins per side per front in expert
25+ expert scenarios where I have won both sides, with enough in each front

Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?

Or perhaps wins against humans is not the standard. Maybe Johnny games are counting or overall games played matter. Whatever is the standard, it is not obvious.

[Updated on: Sat, 28 January 2012 19:32]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 19:46
What about in terms of the number of scenarios created in SFTF?
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 20:01
^ I've made them for all fronts. I'm doubtful this could be part of an automatic trigger. Helcat, what are your scenarios? I don't see any by Helcat in the database, so it also hard to compare what he authored to what Nygaard authored.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sat, 28 January 2012 22:10
Maybe you don't have as catchy a moniker as "Helcat" or "Nygaard".

Laughing
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 00:33
Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 13:31

Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?

Perhaps there are regulations regarding all that facial hair?
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 03:52
Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 20:01

^ I've made them for all fronts. I'm doubtful this could be part of an automatic trigger. Helcat, what are your scenarios? I don't see any by Helcat in the database, so it also hard to compare what he authored to what Nygaard authored.


I do not have any online. And I was fiddeling with it, copying scenarios from other players. I made approximately 10 of these copied scenarios.
Much less then Nygaard and not online.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 04:16
Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:31


Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?


I can assure you, the promotions are automatic! The DoW crew is too busy with projects and updates to sit around watching players in Memoir '44 Online and then give them promotions! Cool

[Updated on: Sun, 29 January 2012 04:18]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 04:31
rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:16

Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:31


Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?


I can assure you, the promotions are automatic! The DoW crew is too busy with projects and updates to sit around watching players in Memoir '44 Online and then give them promotions! Cool


Apparently, too busy to give us better hints or to meet online to play as well! Laughing

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 04:47
gheintze wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 07:31

rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:16

Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:31


Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?


I can assure you, the promotions are automatic! The DoW crew is too busy with projects and updates to sit around watching players in Memoir '44 Online and then give them promotions! Cool


Apparently, too busy to give us better hints or to meet online to play as well! Laughing

Geoff


Yep, it would seem so!! Laughing Very Happy

Wait, you want more hints than the one on the web site?! What would be the fun in that? Rolling Eyes It would take away the whole system of searching for a promotion (granted, these threads are dedicated to that very purpose, but I don't know that DoW should be helping with that!) Very Happy
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 04:57
rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:47

...but I don't know that DoW should be helping with that!) Very Happy


Yes, DoW doesn't know that they should be helping with that either. Very Happy

Actually, I've pretty much given up trying to figure it out, given Henry's latest post above. There are just too many variables to be able to logically deduce the criteria. I'm just going to trade off playing expert and official scenarios and see what happens.

And I'll have to buy another Captain's pack as well...

Geoff

[Updated on: Sun, 29 January 2012 04:58]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 05:05
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 04:47

gheintze wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 07:31

rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:16

Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:31


Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?


I can assure you, the promotions are automatic! The DoW crew is too busy with projects and updates to sit around watching players in Memoir '44 Online and then give them promotions! Cool


Apparently, too busy to give us better hints or to meet online to play as well! Laughing

Geoff


Yep, it would seem so!! Laughing Very Happy

Wait, you want more hints than the one on the web site?! What would be the fun in that? Rolling Eyes It would take away the whole system of searching for a promotion (granted, these threads are dedicated to that very purpose, but I don't know that DoW should be helping with that!) Very Happy



Hear! Hear!
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 05:06
sam1812 wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 18:33

Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 13:31

Perhaps these promotions are not automatic, but awarded by some invisible hand?

Perhaps there are regulations regarding all that facial hair?


Laughing forever a colonel ...

Geoff, I don't want to discourage anyone. I tried but don't see the common thread. No doubt I am looking in the wrong places.

I must say they did a good job choosing the promotion criteria, if Helcat and Nygaard are the first two in the bar.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 05:14
Henry Pelham wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 23:06


Laughing forever a colonel ...

Geoff, I don't want to discourage anyone. I tried but don't see the common thread. No doubt I am looking in the wrong places.

I must say they did a good job choosing the promotion criteria, if Helcat and Nygaard are the first two in the bar.


Not discouraged, per se. I just don't see a rational way to proceed.

And I'll drink to Helcat and Nygaard being the first two. If I could only figure out how to get into the bar... Very Happy

Geoff
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 06:47
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Geoff, I don't want to discourage anyone. I tried but don't see the common thread. No doubt I am looking in the wrong places.


I am still trying to figure it out too.

Quote:


I must say they did a good job choosing the promotion criteria, if Helcat and Nygaard are the first two in the bar.


Thank you for the compliment, however we have been promoted because we somehow met the criteria, the criteria were not chosen to promote us.

Quote:


Not discouraged, per se. I just don't see a rational way to proceed.


Keep trying and have fun.
My promotion was based on luck as well as I did not know the criteria.

Quote:


And I'll drink to Helcat and Nygaard being the first two. If I could only figure out how to get into the bar... Very Happy



You are always welcome for a drink and if you throw 4 stars Heineken is on the house.


[Updated on: Sun, 29 January 2012 06:48]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 10:37
stevens wrote on Sat, 28 January 2012 22:10

Maybe you don't have as catchy a moniker as "Helcat" or "Nygaard".

Laughing


Funny:

Helcat: Cat from hell
Nygaard: New farm
Stevens: Comes from Stephan; Stephans son actually, Stephan means the one whom is crowned. In the Greek period, if you won a match you got a laurel crown.

Rather a catchy name it seems to me.
Given that, it can't be the name that gives you the promotion.


Laughing
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 10:50
Helcat wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 06:47

(snip)
You are always welcome for a drink and if you throw 4 stars Heineken is on the house.



Let's not get into a fight here... But "Heineken"? Tsk, tsk...
Tuborg, thank you.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 12:00
I agree, surely there are hundreds of better brews to celebrate with... Razz Smile Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 13:17
Hmmm

[Updated on: Sun, 29 January 2012 18:28]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 13:38
Moomer wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 12:00

I agree, surely there are hundreds of better brews to celebrate with... Razz Smile Rolling Eyes


True - let's not get caught up in details...

Beer, Wine, Sake - it's all welcome!

Oh - and tea.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 18:27
Nygaard wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 10:50

Helcat wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 06:47

(snip)
You are always welcome for a drink and if you throw 4 stars Heineken is on the house.



Let's not get into a fight here... But "Heineken"? Tsk, tsk...
Tuborg, thank you.


Hmm, grumble, grumble, you may have gotten a little point there, but to put an outline-of-a-pull-off-lid-of-a-beer-bottle-cork as logo on the dices?

That would make good conversation: "My sniper hit his artillery with an outline-of-a-pull-off-lid-of-a-beer-bottle-cork"

"I wanted to take his infantry out but I kept rolling outlines-of-a-pull-off-lid-of-a-beer-bottle-cork"

Well because it is you:
Here is the new side to the dice. I hope Dow sends in a replacement sticker to all the users of the dices.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6782893785_337bd26d60.jpg


Good song by the way. I am still wondering if I did not hear that in different languages as well.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Sun, 29 January 2012 19:35
As the subject has become beer, I feel that a representative of my country should tip in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_Belgium

"Westvleteren 12" has been elected best beer of the world by the 2012 edition of the yearly "ratebeer" election.
It has been elected best beer in many previous editions, but was only second last year. This year, it jumped back over the winner of last year "Närke Kaggen Stormaktsporter (Sweden)".

So if you want to taste good beer, Belgium is the place to be.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 00:39
Alright then

http://www.yanka.com/catalog/images/chti_blonde.jpg?yanka=1
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 02:13
Hmmm.

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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 02:22
Helcat wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 02:13


2 There is a remarkable similarity between the Heineken star and the star on the dice.



I am very sorry, but if you really want to link a star to a brand of beer, it should be STELLA Artois.

Not only does it have a star for the logo, it's name is actually star in latin (or italian if you prefer)
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 03:21
Quote:

As the subject has become beer, I feel that a representative of my country should tip in.


If the subject has become beer, then I very much appreciate this contribution as I like Belgian beers myself.

However in my humble opinion the subjects are:

1. How does one get to the General rank.
Within that discussion a number of theories were investigated amongst others: The number of games played, number of games won, number of expert games played, number of expert games won. Number of expert maps made, ranks of the players played against, Adam Smith's Invisible Hand, the amount of facial hair, the catchyness of the nickname, etc.

This discussion offered insights in, and opening into subjects of a different nature.

2. A moral discussion: Does the community allow players to have a theory about how to become a General and either share or not share that theory.

3. The question whether one is welcome in this bar not being a General; personally I think everyone is welcome.

4. Some of the house rules of the bar. Should it be Heineken that is on the house if 4 stars are rolled, and if not Heineken, then should Dow change the symbol on the dice? And there is even a discussion that if a side of a die has to correlate with a symbol of a beer brand, not being Heineken, which beer brand that then should be.

Within this context, there is a suggestion to change that side of the die to an outline-of-a-pull-off-lid-of-a-beer-bottle-cork; a Danish contribution, a CHTTY Blonde; a French contribution. The origin of Ch'ti might be related to World War I, where it is supposed to be originated in the trenches. Given that historical reference it might be slightly out of context with Memoir'44. Furthermore I have my doubts whether it will be appreciated in all countries using the die. In my humble opinion, if a change of dice side is required, this proposal should be thoroughly playtested, as there are even now on memoir a lot of people complaining about the dice.

...to the shield of the St Sixtus Abby, which is depicted on Westvleteren beer;

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6786117035_86f24bc66d.jpg

, a Belgian contribution.

I would like to share some thoughts on the latter as the top half of the symbol in my opinion shows strong resemblances with a Russian engineer badge and the bottom half of the symbol could give the user of the die the impression of a palmtree, both could lead the user of the die to the conclusion that this side of the die can only be used to order a Russian engineer in either a palmforest or into a jungle. In the short period I play this game I have not yet come across such a scenario. Given this fact I therefore think that this side of the die, in the stated form, will be much less used than the other sides of the die and this might have statistical consequenses for the game.

Or to the label of Stella Artois.

http://www.stellaartois.com/wp-content/themes/sync_inbev/img/stella-artois-logo.png

Another Belgian contribution.
With the argument that the Latin Stella Artois means small or narrow star; étoile étroites in French.

I would like to argue against this proposal that as the other sides of the dice clearly depict symbols, thus stating to the user of the die that the die is used to depict a representation of reality and not reality itself. The Stella Artois contribution, in my humble opinion, is a direct reference to reality. This difference in symbolic nature of the sides of the die might confuse the user of the die, making him run to the refrigerator every time this side of the die is rolled, instead of executing the action that is supposed to be correlated with the side of the die in that specific situation.
In addition to that; in a normal game, the probability of this side of the die turning upwards is; on the Dow server as well, as has been clearly shown by the testing of HamonSerrano on the Red Barricades Factory scenario, 16,67%. Given the fact that in a small game there are at least 60 dice rolled, it would, on average, urge the user of the die 10 times per game to the refrigerator to grab a beer. As most players play even more than one game a session, one should imagine the amount of your opponents that cannot make it to the rematch or that will not be able to finish the game.

I conclude that there is a debate going on on one side of the die and that this debate has not finished yet.

5 There are suggestions for the interior of the bar and some musical experiments are going on. Making it hopefully a comfortable place for everybody. And I personally favor it, if these types of contributions continue.

[Updated on: Mon, 30 January 2012 21:43]

      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 19:05
Follow that Smile
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Mon, 30 January 2012 23:54
Dear sirs Brigadier and Genéral de Brigade, I got an urgent message that you were out of Cake!

This of course cannot happen Embarassed , I humbly apologize and will punish the Lt Colonel responsible severely. Mad

Here is some new cake, and rest assured there will always be an ample supply in the Brigadiers bar pantry.

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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 31 January 2012 01:06
Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 23:54

Dear sirs Brigadier and Genéral de Brigade, I got an urgent message that you were out of Cake!

This of course cannot happen Embarassed , I humbly apologize and will punish the Lt Colonel responsible severely. Mad

Here is some new cake, and rest assured there will always be an ample supply in the Brigadiers bar pantry.

Razz Cool



Thank you Colonel Jeronimon.
I deeply appreciate you work as Steward at the Intendance of this operation, and I think Général de Brigade Nygaard does the same. A small leadership lesson; although you may delegate your task, the responsibility can not be delegated. Thank you again for your quick response and the good care you take of the people in this bar.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 31 January 2012 01:19
Back to the topic:

3000 combined games in Expert mode and Online is a common theme.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 31 January 2012 01:20
Cake? Cake? Is this a bar or a cafe? Question Question Question Question

Or are do Brigadiers just get soft with their promotion?

Pretzels, nuts, chips (the crisp type) not cake.

Toughen up, if you want cake go to the mess where you can have it with your tea directly after your nap.

Cake in a bar will never ever do.
      
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Re:Brigadier Bar Tue, 31 January 2012 01:34
Colonel Jeronimon,

I noticed that one of the visitors of this bar is rather served pretzels, nuts and chips. Would you be able to peek in the pantry and see to it that the needs of this visitor are met. I trust to it that you will be able to perform this task with the same swiftness as you have been serving cake.
      
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