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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 03:27
Droopy007 has it partially right. It is his choice this round to decide if his 2 point commander faces the Allied 2 point one. He also has to decide on all the other matchups, not Jeronimon. He gets his chance next round. Next round he lets Jeronimon know who is fighting for two points before Jeronimon decides the matchups. You guys are right, there is potentially 7 points up for grabs but the most any one team can earn is 6.

Droopy could do this;

Artimon(2 pts.) vs. trentdep
Jeronimon vs. Clorofila(2pts.)
Van Voort vs. sdnative
Lucky91 vs. Jaykay2010
LooneyLlama vs. Droopy007

Again, the first round matchups are decided by Droopy. Jeronimon only decides who his 2 pt. player is before Droopy makes the matchups. Next round Droopy lets Jeronimon know who is playing the 2 pt. game for the Axis and then Jeronimon decides his 2 pt. player and all the matchups. Back and forth like this until all 10 scenarios are played.

I don't know. This may be more confusing than it's worth. No wonder nobody plays tournaments like this. Hopefully you guys don't bail out before we get underway.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 03:55
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 02:27

Droopy could do this;

Artimon(2 pts.) vs. trentdep
Jeronimon vs. Clorofila(2pts.)
Van Voort vs. sdnative
Lucky91 vs. Jaykay2010
LooneyLlama vs. Droopy007



Ok, I think I got it. Just to make sure, in the above example, if results are wins for all the left-column players, these would be the awarded points:

Artimon: 1pt
Jeronimon: 2pt
Van Voort : 1pt
Lucky91: 1pt
LooneyLlama: 1pt

Correct?

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 02:27

I don't know. This may be more confusing than it's worth. No wonder nobody plays tournaments like this. Hopefully you guys don't bail out before we get underway.


Bah, nonsense, Eric! Don't sweat it! If it doesn't work, next time we'll make it different. But I'm sure it will be a(nother) great tournament! Smile
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 04:42
Battle of Mekili is VERY TOUGH for the Axis I might suggest giving the Allies only 4 cards and or making the Afrika Corps armor 4 figs.

Update:
I did lose as Allies! but my opponent rolled a 65% hit rate vs my infantry with 58 dice and 42% vs my armor with 24 dice.

My poor shooting vs his armor was 26% with 31 dice rolled and 40% vs his infantry with 20 dice.

Will have to try this scenario some more. Smile Smile

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 06:27
OK - is this the ~ Official ~ place for posting match ups, and results?...

And is DOW mail the primary contact for players to set a time for a match?

(( I've been trying to contact Artimon through DOW mail - perhaps he's just dodging me?... ))

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 06:47
Ok, think I got it all now. So I have to choose the match. It will be then :

Artimon (2pts) vs Trentdep

Van Voort vs Clorofila (2pts, we count on you Wink)

Lucky91 vs Sdnative

Jeronimon vs Jaykay2010

LonneyLlama vs Droopy007

Good luck team, let's enjoy this !! Very Happy

Clorofila, in your example with only victory for the allies, I think Artimon wins 2 pts, and Jeronimon only 1. And if I mistake here, it's that I haven't got it after all lol. You tell me LooneyLlama.

And don't worry, i think we're over questionning because we don't want to mess it up. And that should be quite fun, battling for the team Very Happy
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 06:56
OK, I thought there would be only one two point game, but now I understand there will be two games where one side can win 2 points and the other just 1 point.

So I named Artimon, will he get 2 points when he wins and his opponent only one when he wins, or the other way around?


Eric,
As Clorofila said: don't sweat it, try out new stuff and we will see where it gets us. The main reason to play in this tournament is to battle against other players on interesting scenarios and defeat and humiliate have fun! Very Happy

[Updated on: Mon, 27 August 2012 06:59]

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 09:49
Droopy007, please reconsider your choice. I thank you for the confidence, but I'm really not your 2-points man yet!
Just a few numbers:

- My current skill points: 1586
- Excluding SFTF and Solo games, I only scored 7 victories in the last 20 matches.
- Most importantly: playing as Axis and excluding Solo games, I only scored 10 victories in my last 41 games!

I'm really out of shape. Maybe later?...
Razz
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 13:25
You all have it right now. The lineup looks good and the point are right. sdnative, I changed one Afrika corps armor to 4 figures. No more changes though. Do your best. It will even out in the end.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 13:47
trentdep écrit le Mon, 27 August 2012 06:27

OK - is this the ~ Official ~ place for posting match ups, and results?...

And is DOW mail the primary contact for players to set a time for a match?

(( I've been trying to contact Artimon through DOW mail - perhaps he's just dodging me?... ))

http://photos1.fotosearch.com/bthumb/OMU/OMU151/FleeingSoldier.jpg


Trentdep, I have not received any message from you. bug ? And I sent you an e-mail this morning to define the date of the battle , did you receive it ?

Nevertheless, are you available tonight from 21H00 (french time) ? Or, another evening this week ?

Let me know your preference.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 14:38
I get the format now, it's looking good Eric .. Smile

Will contact Jeroen to arrange or match asap.

Jim
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 14:42
Another note about the scenarios. Since only one battle counts please don't be discouraged. Many of the scenarios in my 10 have been played online with nearly 50-50 balance. Some are as high as 67% one way or the other. I did my best to make the games playable with a decent chance to win either side. There will be no one turn victories in my scenarios. Remember, this is a team tournament. Cheer on your compatriots! And let's have fun!

Eric

P.S. Clorofila, no backing out. You have to play two games worth two points anyway. Also, I've played you and you are a very good player. That skill point rating is useless.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 16:22
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 13:42

[...]Clorofila, no backing out. You have to play two games worth two points anyway. Also, I've played you and you are a very good player. That skill point rating is useless.


How can I take you seriously, Eric? You are my opponent in this freakin' tournament!!!
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 16:57
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 04:25

You all have it right now. The lineup looks good and the point are right. sdnative, I changed one Afrika corps armor to 4 figures. No more changes though. Do your best. It will even out in the end.


Hi Eric,
It is a wonderful scenario and if we were playing both sides I would not have said anything..
Thanks for your consideration.
Smile Smile Smile

Jim

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 16:58
Droopy007 wrote on Sun, 26 August 2012 21:47

Ok, think I got it all now. So I have to choose the match. It will be then :

Artimon (2pts) vs Trentdep

Van Voort vs Clorofila (2pts, we count on you Wink)

Lucky91 vs Sdnative

Jeronimon vs Jaykay2010

LonneyLlama vs Droopy007

Good luck team, let's enjoy this !! Very Happy

Clorofila, in your example with only victory for the allies, I think Artimon wins 2 pts, and Jeronimon only 1. And if I mistake here, it's that I haven't got it after all lol. You tell me LooneyLlama.

And don't worry, i think we're over questionning because we don't want to mess it up. And that should be quite fun, battling for the team Very Happy


Droopy sir I will do my best for the team!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 21:28
clorofila, It doesn't matter that we're on different sides. It doesn't take away from the fact that you are a good player AND more importantly, a gentleman to play against.

sdnative, don't be so caught up in the scenarios being perfectly balanced. They aren't. As I said before there may be some battles where nobody wins on one side or the other. It's a tournament with an unusual premise over 10 scenarios, not just one. I'm trying to challenge myself to see if I can write scenarios that one person plays only one side or the other and still have fun. We'll see how it turns out. Anyway, here are some of the percentages of the ones I had previously posted and are in the tournament; 43%,50%,44%,53%,59%,46% for the Allies. That's 6 scenarios where anyone can win. There are a couple that are over 60%, especially late 1944. The others are brand new. Hopefully they work out as I have hoped. I honestly think the Axis has an advantage in this first battle. Take care.

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 22:42
Ok Eric

As your team leader I have to speak with you. Psychological warfare is good and should be applied t this tournament. but take care to keep the propaganda right.

This is how it should be, mess with their minds and make them unsure about everything:

clorofila wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 16:22

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 13:42

[...]Clorofila, no backing out. You have to play two games worth two points anyway. Also, I've played you and you are a very good player. That skill point rating is useless.


How can I take you seriously, Eric? You are my opponent in this freakin' tournament!!!
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


But what's this, fraternising with the enemy Rolling Eyes
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 21:28

clorofila, It doesn't matter that we're on different sides.
Eric


Of course it matters we are on different sides, they need to perish and be vanquished!

And this Shocked
This is undermining the morale of our own troops.

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 21:28

I honestly think the Axis has an advantage in this first battle. Take care.

Eric



So Lucky91, Artimon and van Voort, disregard that last remark of Eric and listen to me carefully: In this scenario the Axis has about 18% chance to win! So relax, play well and bring home those victories.

Van Voort, you can only score one point wit this game, but if you do they will miss out on two. Mad


And that my friends is proper propaganda. Twisted Evil

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

[Updated on: Mon, 27 August 2012 22:45]

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 23:00
Jeronimon, you are our natural leader Laughing

And, I'm now sure I have definitively dreamed during the first trial of this map that I did tonight (Allied side lost 2 times on 2 matchs) ... Confused Confused Very Happy

Trentdep, I'm waiting some news from you, but don't worry if you take your time to answer me, I have enough sand to build the biggest sand castle ever done Razz
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 23:11
Quote:

sdnative wrote :
Droopy sir I will do my best for the team!


That's perfect, I couldn't ask for more Very Happy . I guess we're all going to do that. As there are only good players in the tournament, there will be some mighty fight ! And enjoyment as a result Smile.

Quote:

Clorofila wrote :
Droopy007, please reconsider your choice. I thank you for the confidence, but I'm really not your 2-points man yet!
Just a few numbers:

- My current skill points: 1586
- Excluding SFTF and Solo games, I only scored 7 victories in the last 20 matches.
- Most importantly: playing as Axis and excluding Solo games, I only scored 10 victories in my last 41 games!

I'm really out of shape. Maybe later?...
Razz


Well, I wouldn't have minded, but the boss is quite clear : no backing out... So I guess you just have to try your best, or come back to your best shape Wink.
Anyway, I have to agree with LooneyLlama : I also think you're a good player ! Even if your rankings are not very high at the moment, I think I remember you being in the 1st page of online battle and expert battle rankings at the same time not long ago... That's kind of a performance, even if the rankings are not perfect.
In any case, enjoy the battle, and as Jeronimon said : "The main reason to play in this tournament is to battle against other players on interesting scenarios and (defeat and humiliate (lol ! we shall see Twisted Evil Wink) ) have fun! Very Happy". Well said !!! Very Happy

Let the war begin ! Have fun everyone !
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Mon, 27 August 2012 23:23
Laughing Laughing Laughing !!!

A fine propaganda indeed ! I have though to inform you Jeronimon that we are inpenetrable to it... It will not work Very Happy. All will be settled on the battlefield then Wink ! Can't wait !!

See you Smile
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 00:07
Propaganda... words... emptiness.

Hey, Jeronimon, when will start winning instead of talking about winning?
Twisted Evil

Droopy007:
Very well, Herr General. I will bring 2 points to my team!

[Updated on: Tue, 28 August 2012 00:08]

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 00:32
Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 16:42


And that my friends is proper propaganda. Twisted Evil

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


(( Unless of course you want to take a more subtle approach ))...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 00:36
Artimon wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 07:47

trentdep écrit le Mon, 27 August 2012 06:27

OK - is this the ~ Official ~ place for posting match ups, and results?...

And is DOW mail the primary contact for players to set a time for a match?

(( I've been trying to contact Artimon through DOW mail - perhaps he's just dodging me?... ))

http://photos1.fotosearch.com/bthumb/OMU/OMU151/FleeingSoldier.jpg


Trentdep, I have not received any message from you. bug ? And I sent you an e-mail this morning to define the date of the battle , did you receive it ?

Nevertheless, are you available tonight from 21H00 (french time) ? Or, another evening this week ?

Let me know your preference.


There you are - got a little winded - did you?!

Evenings in "French Time" huh?... What would that be in ~ Real Time ~ ?...
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 00:48
General Jeronimon,

Please do not sack me before our first battle. I apologize for fraternizing with the enemy. It will not happen again. Wish me luck as Droopy and I will be battling in a few minutes. I hope to bring home honors for our side. GO ALLIES!!!

P.S. Maybe we should start another thread to post results. What do you guys think?
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 02:29
Start of the war !

LooneyLlama : 4 medals - Droopy007 : 8 medals . 1 point for axis Very Happy !

I'll write a report tomorrow.
An impression after playing is that it seems, like Eric predicted, an easier shot for german, as it is not easy for allies to launch a proper attack...


Thx Eric, I really enjoyed the map, and the company Very Happy !

Guys, there's point to take ! This one is for us Cool ! (propaganda... is it good Jeronimon ? Wink Laughing Laughing ).

GO AXIS !

[Updated on: Tue, 28 August 2012 13:09]

      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 13:58
I'm hearing the rattle of Afrika Corps armor in my sleep.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 14:14
Van Voort vs Clorofila (2pts, we count on you )


Ok, if the line ups are confirmed we can go
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 16:52
I sent you a private message yesterday, van Voort. Will look for you in the lobby tonight.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 20:43
I will be around, have not got a message

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 21:24
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 00:48

P.S. Maybe we should start another thread to post results. What do you guys think?


I think that is a good idea, and will just do it.

If other don't agree I can switch back to here.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 21:41
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I will be around, have not got a message


Sorry, I sent the message via BGG, not DoW. My mistake Smile
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Tue, 28 August 2012 22:00
As promised in the other thread here some remarks about the scenario: I enjoyed it. The terrain makes you think. And the gully's are a pain in the .., especially for the four fig afrika korps armor unit. So put your thinking caps on gentlemen.

We wondered why the three fig armor units had special badges? I joked I had sabotaged the fourth tank before the game. But we both would have done much better with four fig tank units. Razz

The game we played for the tournament we both had the feeling that the dice were more on my side than Jim's. The statistics showed 41% on inf and 33% on tanks for Jim so it wasn't as bad as we felt it.

I did manage to get in kills when needed and the antitankboys on the hill did great work.

Anyway, somebody said the allies had a hard time getting an attack mounted in this scenario, and I think that that is true. But they can lay in waiting for the Axis to come over and defend against them. The Axis has a hard time on their left flank, because if they send out the infantries the tanks will get at them, in the middle there are those brainteasing gully's (great fun) and on the right a more straightforward attack can be mounted. In our first game I managed to thwart his attack and in the my game as the Axis I had a shortage of right flank cards.

In conclusion another great scenario which I have to study further to get tot he bottom of it. Alas we will be moving on to another on before I will have mastered it.

Thanks for the new tournament and your delightful scenarios Eric. We are in for some weeks of good fun!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 00:10
Hi guys,

A couple of points,

Droopy played a perfect game against me. It wasn't just bad cards and dice. I'll not divulge his strategy but it was masterful. There was only one way to counteract it but I didn't get the cards. And you would need a perfect setup of cards to win.

His mobile artillery worked OK. He used it to great effect. Maybe the arty was moved onto a forest hex where it could not battle? I never had problems with it in all the test runs.

I still think the Germans have a distinct advantage. They don't really need that 4 fig. armor unit to win.

I'm sorry about the Africa Corps badges. They were placed on the three fig. units for looks. I should have removed them after I changed one of the units to 4 figures.

Eric
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 10:25
Last meeting for this first battle tomorrow evening between Trentdep and me. I will try to walk on the steps of my General Montgojero! Razz

For the King !
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 14:48
I'm not a huge fan of med maps, mostly because of lack of interesting tactical hexes, such as forests and hedgerows. Also, Desert Rules and the predominance of armor makes the gaming experience a fast-and-furious type of fight, which I don't appreciate.

Considering the above, this is a very reasonable map, fun to play and well balanced, in my opinion. Another good work by Eric. Congratulations!
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 14:48
Oh... I didn't think we were supposed to look at the map until our battle...

C'est la vie !
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 22:25
trentdep wrote on Wed, 29 August 2012 14:48

Oh... I didn't think we were supposed to look at the map until our battle...

C'est la vie !

You may train if you want to, but I myself think that Eric's maps are too cmplicated to master in just a practice game. You need to play more often.

@Eric

The mobile arty commanded on the Artillery Bombard moved from one hill to an adjacent hill (one hex) and then could not fore.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Wed, 29 August 2012 23:55
Jeroen, I don't know why it didn't fire. We are just going to have to live with bugs in the program. I try my best to make sure everything works before I post it online, especially in this tournament. The mobile artillery does come up in future scenarios, so I'll be sure to check it before posting, though it did work well numerous times for Droopy in our battle.


The score is now 3-1 for the Axis as we await the results of sdnative vs. Lucky91 and Trentdep vs. Artimon.

Note: Jeroen, maybe the mobile arty won't fire when using the artillery bombard card. That may be the bug. Everyone! I would not move the mobile artillery when playing that card. Every other card is probably OK.

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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 30 August 2012 00:41
LooneyLlama wrote on Wed, 29 August 2012 22:55

[...]Jeroen, maybe the mobile arty won't fire when using the artillery bombard card. That may be the bug.[...]


That would also be my guess.
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 30 August 2012 02:08
Well done Clorofila ! Very Happy ! It seems I made the right choice after all Wink.

Thx Eric, you are depicting my play in a most agreable fashion Very Happy Very Happy !
I just wanted to precise a point or two. I don't think either that it was only bad luck and cards. I just say that it helped me here. I do liked my strategy. I think, according to my set of cards and the layout of terrain and troops that it was a pretty good one. I liked that I have been able to push it to the end without having to adapt it a lot (which is more than often not possible, cause what your opponent do, the loss you suffer, force you to adapt...).
And that's the result of your lack of, not good cards cause you had some like me, but lack of cards needed where the action was.
IMHO, that's the most frustrating sequence of play in Memoire, when you're being assaulted fiercely, and you just don't have the cards to answer. What do you think ?
I think I played it quite well, but I also know that some of my move were very dangerous. The one where I moved an armor unit next to your artillery, between your 2 armor in order to block the retreat of one was good, as it helped me kill a full armor unit with 6 dices... but it was pure luck that you didn't have any cards to retaliate. I did it thinking that it was worth it, even if I lost the unit right after.
Still, it is very nice of you to qualify my strategy of masterful Very Happy. I'll keep that in mind Laughing Laughing Laughing !!

About the arty movement without shooting, I do not think that it was a bug. We could check in sugar loaf and half moon... That could be quite long though.
But the problem reminds me of the one there was with BEL and the inf unit that can move or battle, like anti tank... I think that it's been decided in the FAQ that the command card instruction overrule the usual rule for the unit. That's why we can now use BEL normally with an anti tank inf, I mean move, attack, move again.
If we apply that to the mobile artillery, as the command card states that we can either move 3 hex or battle (and no, move and battle), it seems normal to me that on an artillery bombard you're not allowed to move and fire.
Again, what do you think ?

Good luck Sdnative and Trentdep !! Go Axis Team !! Smile
      
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Re:New SFTF Mediterranean Theater tournament Thu, 30 August 2012 04:18
Damien,

I think you've got it!! The card states move or battle. That would include mobile artillery. All cards overrule the unit rule!
So it isn't a bug after all.

      
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