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Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 12:56
I've finally received my copy of the equipment pack and these are my findings:

First of all, the amount of support provided by DoW for memoir is just amazing. many other gaming companies could never hope to match that! I also like the cavalry figures and upon first glance the scenarios look good too. Nice that the book includes regular scenarios, breakthrough and overlord scenarios! This said, I'm not entirely happy with it. The reasons for this are:

* It's nice 88's and priests have been added, but I just can't see myself using these units with the opposing side when the scenario so dictates: i.e. the Germans using priests for their mobile artillery and the Allies using 88's for their heavy anti-tank guns.It that case I really do prefer simply using the corresponding badges.

* It's great to finally have a French army. Then again do we have a french army? There are infantry figures but where are their tanks and artillery? Secondly, would it have been so much trouble to paint them brown or light blue? Their an army in their won right and not "equipment".

* Many barrels are bent.

* The MG's and mortars are much too large for my test. I take it the EP is mainly meant to enhance aesthetics more than anything else. these two units, along with e.g. the sniper figure, does not really accomplish this, imho.

* Instead of all the loose pieces that can be attached to the Churchill tanks (Hobart's funnies), I would have preferred to just have the Churchill along with badge or so to denote which exact variant in it is. This might have left some room for Hummels and 17 pounder AT guns, for example, which would have solved my main problem with the EP (first reason mentioned).

I already own tigers, half-tracks and trucks, so I didin't really need any more of them and would have preferred that space to be filled by e.g. french artillery and armor. Then again, I can imagine that those that didn't buy the expansions they came with are happy with them.

Does anyone share my feelings on this?
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 14:10
Hello,

I agree with some you say, and disagree with other things.
My main problem is that to play the scenarios from the winter wars expansion, there are not enough Tank Destroyers. 6 figures really is not enough, knowing that one german or russian unit requires 4 figures. So with what the EP provides, you can have 1 german/russian unit, or 2 units for the other armies. On the other hand, I cannot imagine ever needing 6 command cars, since those are generally 1 fig units. So 3 less comand cars and 3 extra tank destroyers would have been better, without changing the total number of figures.

That said, you say that you did not need extra supply trucks and tigers. I have missed those expansions which are no longer available, and now that the EP provides those figures, I'd like to find someone to buy extra's from or trade them. (someone in europe to limit the transport costs)

I am looking for 3 Tigers and 3 supply trucks. (to make a set of 6 each)
I have to offer 3 Half Tracks and 3 Patrol cars. (since I have 9 each now)

So if you want to sell me 3 Tigers and 3 supply trucks for a reasonable price, I'd be very happy.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 21:13
Quit2 wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 08:10

Hello,

I agree with some you say, and disagree with other things.
My main problem is that to play the scenarios from the winter wars expansion, there are not enough Tank Destroyers. 6 figures really is not enough, knowing that one german or russian unit requires 4 figures. So with what the EP provides, you can have 1 german/russian unit, or 2 units for the other armies. On the other hand, I cannot imagine ever needing 6 command cars, since those are generally 1 fig units. So 3 less comand cars and 3 extra tank destroyers would have been better, without changing the total number of figures.



My understanding is you are supposed to use one Tank Destoryer figure and three regular tank figures to form a TD unit. But it would be nice to have unique TDs for both sides (Axis and Allies).
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 21:44
Sgt Storm wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 23:13


My understanding is you are supposed to use one Tank Destoryer figure and three regular tank figures to form a TD unit. But it would be nice to have unique TDs for both sides (Axis and Allies).


That's my understanding as well. I think it even says that in the rules. If I had enough, though, I would probably use a full unit of them! Smile
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 22:30
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 21:44

Sgt Storm wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 23:13


My understanding is you are supposed to use one Tank Destoryer figure and three regular tank figures to form a TD unit. But it would be nice to have unique TDs for both sides (Axis and Allies).


That's my understanding as well. I think it even says that in the rules. If I had enough, though, I would probably use a full unit of them! Smile


Yea, that is said in the rules. To replace 1 TD figure only of a unit. That way, we could have up to 6 TD units on the board simultaneously.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sun, 14 October 2012 23:28
Prior to the EP I had bought some Jadgpanther models. So (when my EP arrives) I will have TDs for both sides.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 01:26
Phread wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 17:28

Prior to the EP I had bought some Jadgpanther models. So (when my EP arrives) I will have TDs for both sides.


Where did you get them? I was looking at Perrin miniatures to get self-propelled guns and tanks destroyers to even things out.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 01:57
Can't recall - somewhere online in the USA.

I have a 1:144 M18 Hellcat, 2 1:144 Jagdpathers - branded "Classic Armour" and 2 1:144 World Tank Museum Jagdpanzer IV models.

So I guess I am well supplied for Axis Tank Destroyers.

The 1:144 are quite large but you can fit 2 per M44 hex.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 08:50
Phread wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 23:28

Prior to the EP I had bought some Jadgpanther models. So (when my EP arrives) I will have TDs for both sides.


Not exactly. You'll have jagdpanthers and elefants; both German TD's. Still no Allied TD's... Sad
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 11:12
Indeed I posted before I checked my models. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

But I am not a purist. I can cope with using a german TD to indicate an Allied TD unit.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 16:27
boersma8 wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 06:56



* It's nice 88's and priests have been added, but I just can't see myself using these units with the opposing side when the scenario so dictates: i.e. the Germans using priests for their mobile artillery and the Allies using 88's for their heavy anti-tank guns.It that case I really do prefer simply using the corresponding badges.

Agreed -- I'm hoping this is the first of two (or more) equipment packs, and that in the future we will get US or allied TDs (it would be cool to have an M24 or M36) and German StuGs for mobile artillery.

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* It's great to finally have a French army. Then again do we have a french army? There are infantry figures but where are their tanks and artillery? Secondly, would it have been so much trouble to paint them brown or light blue? Their an army in their won right and not "equipment".

I actually thought the French were Italians and started to paint them as such. The great/overcoats gave them away in the end and I re-painted, but I might have been less confused if there had been artillery and (especially) tanks. I think for now, the Ha-Go Japanese tanks probably make the best stand-ins for early war French tanks. The Poles could use some tanks, too. But I'd love to see French tanks in Equipment Pack Two (or EP2, as I'm going to call it Smile )

As for the coloring, maybe it's time to start painting your own. I started to paint mine because I didn't care for the colors, and now I get as much fun out of painting new expansions as I do playing them.

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* Many barrels are bent.

This is my biggest problem with the expansion. Most won't bend back, either, despite the hot water-cold water trick. I hope EP2 uses better plastic, or better packing, or both.

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* The MG's and mortars are much too large for my test. I take it the EP is mainly meant to enhance aesthetics more than anything else. these two units, along with e.g. the sniper figure, does not really accomplish this, imho.

I actually like the MGs, and I really like the snipers - some of the best molds in the expansion, imho. But the mortars do look a little silly without a bipod or tripod(were there any mono-pod mortars of that size in the war?) Mortar or MG crews would have been nice, too.

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* Instead of all the loose pieces that can be attached to the Churchill tanks (Hobart's funnies), I would have preferred to just have the Churchill along with badge or so to denote which exact variant in it is. This might have left some room for Hummels and 17 pounder AT guns, for example, which would have solved my main problem with the EP (first reason mentioned).

Yeah, some of the attachments work (I like the bridge ones, for example), but others, like the infamous mortars, are hardly worth the trouble.


Overall, I like more than I don't like, and to me it's important that the game is still growing and hasn't stagnated. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed on EP2...

      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 20:39
I have my M10 TD's for the allied TD's. Bought them off ebay, they are made for TOI.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/ronh51/Games/2011-06-13_005.jpg

      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 15 October 2012 21:09
I am also hoping for EP2. If this does come out in the futures, hopefully we will see Italian Infantry and Tanks along with French Tanks and artillery.

Of course if these came out as a separate expansion AND we get EP2, this would be even better.

I too would have preferred to see the French infantry in a national colour rather than grey, but for me I would rather have these in grey than not have them at all.
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Tue, 16 October 2012 09:07
sniperscout wrote on Mon, 15 October 2012 21:09

I too would have preferred to see the French infantry in a national colour rather than grey, but for me I would rather have these in grey than not have them at all.


Of course this is something I can only wholeheartedly agree with! Razz
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Tue, 16 October 2012 11:57
boersma8 wrote on Tue, 16 October 2012 09:07

sniperscout wrote on Mon, 15 October 2012 21:09

I too would have preferred to see the French infantry in a national colour rather than grey, but for me I would rather have these in grey than not have them at all.


Of course this is something I can only wholeheartedly agree with! Razz


I would have liked seeing the minis painted, but I think is something that could be easily fixed. There are several products in the market that are cheap and don't require high painting skills. Such is my own case: I'm a noob when talking about painting, however The Army Painter method fits me perfectly: a single method to prime and give the colour at once.

I know it's more money to invest but I'm more concerned about the bent barrels that with the colours.

Cheers

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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sat, 27 October 2012 15:11
Who manufactures your TD minatures?
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sat, 27 October 2012 19:49
Hello,

I dont have but TOI is "Tide of iron", i supposed. A tactcal game on WWII;

Boardgamegeek :
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/22825/tide-of-iron

http://boardgamegeek.com/image/465335/tide-of-iron?size=larg e

Look at images bottom.

Otherwise as a brit you can also support your own manufacturers as :
http://www.wargames-south.com/

[Updated on: Sat, 27 October 2012 20:01]

      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Tue, 19 March 2013 01:52
Hello all,
I have found on E-bay under toys and hobbies a brand called ghq micro armour. These were being offered 4 or 6 figs to a pack, cost was $8.95 to $10.95 per pack with shipping of about $3.00 per pack.
These minis were being offered as buy it now, by a outfit called Noble Knight. These figs. come painted and are made of metal.
They had a large selection, American, German, Russian, Brits, French and some Japanies.
I hope this helps you guys fill in some of the missing minis.
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Fri, 22 March 2013 18:53
Are you sure these are painted. The seller may just be using stock photos from GHQ. GHQ sells unpainted figures but shows the same stock photos (illustrating painted figures).

For example, here is the GHQ site for the M10:

http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/us24.html

and here is the Ebay auction with same stock photo (and $1 cheaper - so I doubt its really painted):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GHQ-WWII-Micro-Armour-USA-1-285-M36- Jackson-M10-Pack-MINT-/151012245673?pt=Games_US&hash=ite m23290800a9
      
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Sat, 23 March 2013 00:26
Sgt. Storm,

When I saw the stock photo I took it for granted that that was the way the minis came. Looks like I made a mistake. Embarassed
But these minis look great. So I think I'll be getting a few to fill in where needed.
Thank you for pointing this out.
It is good that we have the M44 community to look after each other. Smile Very Happy
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Re:Finally received my EP-impressions Mon, 30 December 2013 19:16
I finally received my Equipment Pack and my impressions were pretty much the same as before I got it. To wit: If you're interested in buying expansions after the base game, get this one early, so you can use the figures as they come up in more complicated scenarios.

The point of the figures is to replace the badges.

I think there were 4 Tank Destroyer badges in Winter Wars, so having 6 figures means we can get official scenarios with 6 TD units (1 per unit)

French Army:
I've been using both my French Resistance badges and my buddy's badges to have one on each unit even though "badges are not required".
The French Army is the one unit that's usable with just the base game.
Since M'44 has strong French support, I bet they were asking for their own infantry figures.
I'm glad you mentioned painting, because since these are just for Allies, unlike the other figures that can be on both sides (excepting Tigers), they can all be painted one color.
I've played a couple dozen scenarios with French Army rules. It doesn't come up very often, but adds flavor for those 1940 F.A. and Free French scenarios.

I thought Hobart's Funnies / Churchill Tanks was supposed to be one focus of this expansion but there doesn't seem to be many scenarios for them. We need more scenarios for them, I think. I'll go back and check where else they might be used as variants.

Tigers and Supply TrucksI think there was a question of what to do for out-of-print expansions with figures. If you have them, then they will be extra. If you don't have them, then there might not be enough for all scenarios.

Italians:
I've played over 100 games with Italian High Command rules (before getting Equipment Pack) and had a great time. Battle of Nezuet Ghirba is lame for showcasing the new and old Italian rules. Of the 4 scenarios in EP Bonus Scenarios book, I'd recommend Italian Diversion at Gazala, then Operation Little Saturn, which were fun.
      
    
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