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Oher games advice Sun, 24 November 2013 16:32
Hi everyone,

With the holiday season coming up and knowing I'll be getting a gift certificate to my favorite hobby shop, I have a few questions about some of the other games that I see on the shelves, and am hoping some of you can give me advice.

1. Catan: I got to play this one at BGC and found it fun. Are all the expansions just different versions of the same game or are they true expansions like in Memoir? Any version better than others?

2. Ticket to Ride: Never played it. What do you think? Are the expansions again just different versions of the same game? Both this and Catan were very popular at BGC. Any version play better than any other?

3. Command and Colors: Also never played them. Any advice here? Again, very popular at BGC. Which era plays the best? Are expansions just different eras or like Memoir?

4. Command and Colors with Samurai figures: Saw this at the hobby shop. Very expensive game. Has anyone ever played this one? What do you think and is it worth it?

5. Your favorite game(besides Memoir) and why?

Thanks to all who spend the time to respond to my questions.

LooneyLlama
      
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Re:Oher games advice Sun, 24 November 2013 17:46
LooneyLlama wrote on Sun, 24 November 2013 19:32

Hi everyone,

With the holiday season coming up and knowing I'll be getting a gift certificate to my favorite hobby shop, I have a few questions about some of the other games that I see on the shelves, and am hoping some of you can give me advice.

1. Catan: I got to play this one at BGC and found it fun. Are all the expansions just different versions of the same game or are they true expansions like in Memoir? Any version better than others?


I like Settlers of Catan...I used to love it. The expansions add a little bit but IMHO they don't change the game as much as Memoir expansions. My wife and I don't like to play the game without the Cities and Knights expansion but all of the others don't see much table time. In fact, we haven't played this game in several years (since before we were overseas) and we haven't played it since we've been back.

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2. Ticket to Ride: Never played it. What do you think? Are the expansions again just different versions of the same game? Both this and Catan were very popular at BGC. Any version play better than any other?


Amazing game! We play this with anyone (gamers and non-gamers) and it's always fun. The expansions are each different; they don't really add to the base game the same way that Memoir expansions do. Instead, each expansion changes the way you play and gives you a new map to play on. Our favorite versions of Ticket to Ride are TTR: Europe and TTR: Marklin.

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3. Command and Colors: Also never played them. Any advice here? Again, very popular at BGC. Which era plays the best? Are expansions just different eras or like Memoir?

4. Command and Colors with Samurai figures: Saw this at the hobby shop. Very expensive game. Has anyone ever played this one? What do you think and is it worth it?


I haven't played any of the other Command and Colors games but none of them appeal as much because they don't have the sweet little figures. The Samurai game looks interesting but is too rich for my blood. Maybe someone else can offer more advice about these games.

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5. Your favorite game(besides Memoir) and why?

Thanks to all who spend the time to respond to my questions.

LooneyLlama


My favorite game aside from Memoir '44 is probably Small World (also by DoW). It is totally different than Memoir but is so much fun! It also seems to attract people who might be on the fence about playing board games. Very fun with lots of re-playability! I've been playing it since Small World came out and still love every game I play.
      
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Re:Oher games advice Sun, 24 November 2013 18:48
You mean their are other games besides
Memoir '44!!!!!!


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSs-yKvmO2yJ9BLcX1E5TrgcX_0IzZE807xBgcm2pMWoIRYjkAfIg

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Re:Oher games advice Sun, 24 November 2013 19:10
stevens wrote on Sun, 24 November 2013 18:48

You mean their are other games besides
Memoir '44!!!!!!


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSs-yKvmO2yJ9BLcX1E5TrgcX_0IzZE807xBgcm2pMWoIRYjkAfIg


Only the olympics Laughing
But as memoir is a drug free sport its not olympic Laughing


Serious now.
I like Ticket to ride its great and simple to learn.
Machiavelli is also easy to learn and plays nice.
Chess but avoid young Norwegian players. Razz

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Re:Oher games advice Sun, 24 November 2013 21:02
Great question, and one that surely is relevant to many people here. Smile

1. I don't know a thing about Catan.

2. TTR: If you read the TTR Forums here, you'll get a taste of how addictive it can be, and how passionate some of its players can be. I've played it a couple of times, and I can understand, though I've resisted the temptation to add another addiction. 2-5 players and not an overly long game, gives it good flexibility.

3. Battle Cry is good, though I personally prefer the mobility of Memoir. If you go for that, be sure to get the new edition that came out a couple of years ago -- not the original edition.

I've heard a number of people swear by C&C: Napoleonics, because of some of the dynamics of play. I'll let knowledgeable people fill in the details. There are several nationality expansions.

4. Samurai: I have no info.

5. Other short strategy games with war themes: I'll assume you already have chess. A little pedestrian, but still interesting, is Stratego.

If you're willing to go longer, Risk 2210 is a cool (if nightmarish) twist on a classic theme. My son and his school friends are currently having a blast with Risk: Legacy, but I'm sworn to secrecy about the details.

Or, for something completely different, try Quelf.
      
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Re:Oher games advice Mon, 25 November 2013 00:04
LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 25 November 2013 01:02

Hi everyone,

With the holiday season coming up and knowing I'll be getting a gift certificate to my favorite hobby shop, I have a few questions about some of the other games that I see on the shelves, and am hoping some of you can give me advice.

1. Catan: I got to play this one at BGC and found it fun. Are all the expansions just different versions of the same game or are they true expansions like in Memoir? Any version better than others?


I haven't played the board game but have played it on Ipad, I must admit its not really my thing I have always preferred war / war themed games.

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 25 November 2013 01:02


2. Ticket to Ride: Never played it. What do you think? Are the expansions again just different versions of the same game? Both this and Catan were very popular at BGC. Any version play better than any other?


Again I haven't played the board game itself but I am thinking of picking this up for when the kids are a little older as it looks like a good family game.

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 25 November 2013 01:02


3. Command and Colors: Also never played them. Any advice here? Again, very popular at BGC. Which era plays the best? Are expansions just different eras or like Memoir?


Love both Ancients and Napoleonics they use the same basic system as memoir as it is the same designer but the rules are modelled to suit the era. I find both as good as each other depends which period interests you more. I have found if you play ancients in the same what you play memoir you will most likely lose and same the other way around and with Nappy. Acients, Napoleonics and memoir all need to be played in a different way to each other, which I really like as it really gives you the feel of that period and doesn't seem like you are playing memoir set in ancient or Napoleonic times. The C&C use blocks instead of minis which put me off to start with but now that I have them I see that was a silly thing to stop me from playing these games. THe C&C games are a little bit more complex than memoir (base game) but if you are use to using most of the expansions in memoir then the base games of C&C are on par.

At the moment Ancients is going through a reprint stage where GMT is reprinting all the expansions , they have just finished the 1st expansion and soon to do a combo with exp 2&3 so now is a good time to get into Ancients.

Napoleonics is the newest from GMT but atm there are a few expansions out, the Spanish, the Russians and the Austrians was just released about a week ago (Prussians are next and there is talk of the epic version and a leaders / Marshalls expansion next year)

if you haven't already jump on BGG and watch some of the videos of the games as they will give you a good idea of the differences compared to memoir.

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 25 November 2013 01:02


4. Command and Colors with Samurai figures: Saw this at the hobby shop. Very expensive game. Has anyone ever played this one? What do you think and is it worth it?


Personally im not as interested in this period plus it dose look like an expensive undertaking, im not too keen on the modelling side of things to (they look like the really need to be painted, and I just don't have the time for that)

LooneyLlama wrote on Mon, 25 November 2013 01:02


5. Your favorite game(besides Memoir) and why?

Im pretty keen on the games from lock n load publishing, mainly the lock n load series and nations at war. They are hex and counter games but the art work is amazing. lock n load is a squad based game where nations at war is a platoon level. they are both a bit more complex than memoir. lock n load being a bit more so and nations at war just a little. lock n load rules are pretty generic in the series so if you have read the main rule book then you have read the rules for all the ww2 theaters, veitnam, the more modern battles and the fictional ww3 game. I really enjoy the LnL system as it feels like you have just finished watching a war movie. Again for more info and an idea check out the videos on BGG.



      
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Re:Oher games advice Mon, 25 November 2013 02:08
LooneyLlama wrote on Sun, 24 November 2013 10:32

With the holiday season coming up and knowing I'll be getting a gift certificate to my favorite hobby shop, I have a few questions about some of the other games that I see on the shelves, and am hoping some of you can give me advice.

Here's another possibility. Didn't you tell me you have a son? Use your gift certificate to buy him a Memoir set! It's the gift that keeps on giving!
      
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Re:Oher games advice Mon, 25 November 2013 12:12
Aussie_Digger wrote on Sun, 24 November 2013 23:04

Love both Ancients and Napoleonics they use the same basic system as memoir as it is the same designer but the rules are modelled to suit the era. I find both as good as each other depends which period interests you more. I have found if you play ancients in the same what you play memoir you will most likely lose and same the other way around and with Nappy. Acients, Napoleonics and memoir all need to be played in a different way to each other, which I really like as it really gives you the feel of that period and doesn't seem like you are playing memoir set in ancient or Napoleonic times. The C&C use blocks instead of minis which put me off to start with but now that I have them I see that was a silly thing to stop me from playing these games. THe C&C games are a little bit more complex than memoir (base game) but if you are use to using most of the expansions in memoir then the base games of C&C are on par.

At the moment Ancients is going through a reprint stage where GMT is reprinting all the expansions , they have just finished the 1st expansion and soon to do a combo with exp 2&3 so now is a good time to get into Ancients.

Napoleonics is the newest from GMT but atm there are a few expansions out, the Spanish, the Russians and the Austrians was just released about a week ago (Prussians are next and there is talk of the epic version and a leaders / Marshalls expansion next year)


Agree with all of the above. If you like history then then these games are highly recommended and each plays with it's own period feel. You'll soon pick up the mechanism. Ancients has lots of fan-made scenarios and Napoleonic takes it up another level due to the combined arms nature of Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery.

Buy 'em. Buy 'em all!

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Re:Oher games advice Mon, 25 November 2013 13:20
LooneyLlama wrote on Sun, 24 November 2013 16:32

Hi everyone,

With the holiday season coming up and knowing I'll be getting a gift certificate to my favorite hobby shop, I have a few questions about some of the other games that I see on the shelves, and am hoping some of you can give me advice.

1. Catan: I got to play this one at BGC and found it fun. Are all the expansions just different versions of the same game or are they true expansions like in Memoir? Any version better than others?


Catan is a great game. Simple, elegant but with great strategic depth and a small luck factor of the dice.

Most boxes are expansions to the game, but some boxes are stand alone games. So be careful what you buy and make sure you're well informed.

As for my rating of the expansion:
Seafarers is a must buy: it adds a lot of replayability because you can step away from the single island setup and get way more possibilities. I also believe I read somewhere that the game was designed as a whole with this expansion, but that the editor split it off from the base game to reduce "step in costs" for players. Just have them buy it as an expansion after they are hooked.

Cities and knights: this adds quite some complexity, but a lot of different strategies. Good for the real gamers, but a bit too complex for the casual player and it increases the recommended minimum age to play.

All the above for 5 and 6 players: this slows the game down considerably, and I'd advise you to play something else with 5-6 players, especially if some of them don't know the game too well yet.

Many smaller expansions, like the big canal, across the desert, … These don't add much imho. And a scenario designer like you could easily come up with variants like these yourself.

Separate games, like catan mayflower, one with the roman empire and the egyptian empire and many more, catan in space or how is it called: these use the game mechanics of catan, but stick more to a certain scenario. For me, this is not needed: you could just as well come up with these scenarios yourself.

So my advise: buy the base game: it's a very good game.
Then, if you like it and want to add much more replayability, also buy seafarers.
If you plan to play with real gamers, buy cities and knights to add some complexity.

The rest: you can do without if you're creative enough to come up with your own scenarios.

LooneyLlama wrote


2. Ticket to Ride: Never played it. What do you think? Are the expansions again just different versions of the same game? Both this and Catan were very popular at BGC. Any version play better than any other?



Very good game.
You have 3 base games:
- TTR (the classic US map)
- TTR europe
- TTR marklin

If you have any of these, you can start buying expansions.
I prefer europe over the classic one. (have never played marlin) although the classic one is better to learn the basic game mechanics.

In expansions you have a few types:
Maps (these are simply other maps, with a few extra rules) and require you to have one of the above for game material. Some of these are good, but I didn't buy them because the add little to nothing new. But for example, the switzerland map is made especially for 2-3 players.

Specific expansion: TTR1910 and Europe1912 just add some optional rules which are very nice. But they are specific to certain base games.

LooneyLlama wrote


3. Command and Colors: Also never played them. Any advice here? Again, very popular at BGC. Which era plays the best? Are expansions just different eras or like Memoir?


Don't know this

LooneyLlama wrote


4. Command and Colors with Samurai figures: Saw this at the hobby shop. Very expensive game. Has anyone ever played this one? What do you think and is it worth it?


Don't know this

LooneyLlama wrote


5. Your favorite game(besides Memoir) and why?


- Battlestar galactica - traitor mechanic game. This is the only game so far that I know that is based on a TV show and that is actually very good. It blends the flavour of the show perfectly with game mechanics that work. Just imagine that you are a group of people in space, trying to escape from a bunch of robots that want to kill you, their creator. But the robots have been able to create robots that look like humans, so some traitors are in your midst. Can you survive long enough? - Best with 5 players
- The resistance - take battlestar galactica, and strip it from all the space show mechanics to it's bare essence: a traitor mechanic game that takes only 30 minutes instead of 3 hours for BSG. This, and the fact that it has few game components and is about social interaction makes it an excellent party game. It's werewolf without the player elimination.
- Quarriors - What's not to love about rolling a lot of dice. It's dominion, but better and with dice.
- If you like memoir, you should like Battlelore too. It's almost the same, but with a medieval/fantasy theme. Moreover, the base game has much more than the memoir base game: the spider is like a tiger tank, the goblins are a mix of japanese and italian army rules. The dwarves are like japanese meets BCF. Lore cards are like the combat cards decks, but you have 4 decks of them in the base game. For me, this is memoir 2.0.
It's a shame that DoW had to sell this one to FFG, because the game has never gotten the support there that it got here at DoW. The scenario editor got lost, as did the database with all the fan made scenarios.
And yet, while it's much alike, it plays really different. Where in memoir, the terrain is very important, in battlelore, the troop movements are much more important. You need to keep your troops grouped much more. Also, close combat is much more important for this game.

LooneyLlama wrote


Thanks to all who spend the time to respond to my questions.

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Re:Oher games advice Mon, 25 November 2013 18:29
Catan - I have this also and some of the expansions. My children are now 12 and 10 and Catan is not all that popular with them though we do play once in a blue moon. The expansions are like different scenarios in a way and don't change the game all that much.

TTR - Great game. In Ticket to Ride there are the small card "expansions" and then the complete games, such as Europe, Marklin. The expansions really add very little in my opinion. The full games add additional mechanics, but not too much, and new maps. I've only played US, Europe, Marklin and Switzerland. The Swiss one I thought changed the game the most (more interaction and different scoring opportunities). The card game is not worth it.

Command and Colors - Napoleonics is great. Made me wonder how Memoir '44 got so "complicated" when Napoleonics is so clean and well designed.

Favorite games - there are so many and they are all so different. I would recommend going to boardgamegeek.com, order the games by rank (use Browse), or filter by whatever criteria you want and go down the list.

My collection (favorite games) are here (basically just sort by Geek Rating):

http://boardgamegeek.com/collection/user/pisqueeter

Standouts in my family:

Galaxy Trucker
Chinatown (out of print, but probably available)
Carcassonne
Stone Age
Lancaster
Downfall of Pompei
Suburbia
Stone Age
Mystery of the Abbey
Adventurers (temple of chac)
Cyclades
Spy Alley
Acquire

My favorite war games besides M44 and Napoleonics:

Conflict of Heroes (if you have the time)
1775 Rebellion (light Risk-like war game, no expansions)

both from Academy Games

There are great cooperative games if you like that:

Ghost Stories
Last Night on Earth
Defenders of the Realm
Freedom: the Underground Railroad
Shadows over Camelot
etc.











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Re:Oher games advice Tue, 26 November 2013 15:28
WOW, Thank you all for such great ddetailed responses. I can now make a more informative decision. Again, thanks!!

Eric
      
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Re:Oher games advice Tue, 26 November 2013 16:53
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 26 November 2013 18:28

WOW, Thank you all for such great ddetailed responses. I can now make a more informative decision. Again, thanks!!

Eric


Let us know what you end up getting, and what you think of them. It's always interesting to hear what other people think and how opinions are different about games. Very Happy
      
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Re:Oher games advice Wed, 27 November 2013 03:23
On the other command and colours games I own quite a few of them and individually they would occupy most of the top places on my most played games list. Together as a system they would come probably make of 50% of the games I've played.

Of the rest of the series not including memoir cc Napoleonic's is probably my current favorite having replaced all the blocks with 1/72 figures and painting them. Currently finishing painting Austrians and waiting on the post. I think this is probably the most complex of the command and colours series with the main difference being combat effectiveness is linked to strength which really suits the period.
In memoir I see the the pieces more as organization tokens as losses are taken men will shift to keep the heavy weapons going keeping overall firepower close to max, where as when a 2 deep line losses men its firepower drops.
Enjoyed all of the expansion so war but base game and Spanish are my favorite due to my preference for the peninsular war.

Next on the list would be cc ancients I plan on replacing the blocks some time in the distant future but there isn't as wide a range of 1/72 figures as Napoleonic's might go 6mm with 4 figures per block.
Favorite expansion for this is 3 the roman civil wars again id put it down to the period it covers over any mechanics.

On battlecry the group i play with got alot of play from the original version and I have picked up the 150th anniversary addition which are a good revision of the rules and is of a similar production value as memoir figures proper dice and thick cardboard pieces. I think the main reason this is below the other 3 is the acw inst as big an attraction.

Next up cc samuraibattles which when painted up looks beautiful but it took me over a year from opening the box to playing a game of it.(was painting other stuff so this kept getting bumped down my to do list. I've only played a few battles but it is fun the mechanics of honour and the dragon cards work well and the units are similar to ancients with enough of a difference to be different (green blue red). Not sure if ill get the expansion more down to interest in the era and area than the game.

Battlelore is probably the one in the series i didn't like more to do with the fantasy elements and secondly the medieval period my bookshelves have a big gap between the fall of Rome and the French Revolution.

If you liked memoir chances are you will enjoy the other command and colours games it go with which ever period of history you find more interesting over mechanical differences
      
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Re:Oher games advice Wed, 27 November 2013 07:51
Of the three other Memoir '44 like game systems:

I own both editions of BATTLE CRY but have only played a few games of the first edition. It certainly is worth playing.

I own all the C & C ANCIENTS stuff but only have played a handful of scenarios. A nice system for this type of warfare.

I own all the C & C Nappy stuff too and once again I have only played a handful of scenarios. To me, this is the hardest version to play well. A key is trying to get the powerful "combined arms" attack setup. Also the complexities involved with the combat mods almost drives me crazy (mods for the many units types which can vary due to Guard and / or National status). There is even a strange hill to hill (on the same hill mass) ranged fire mod! I know the same can be said for Mem '44 but usually you are only dealing with a few special units types per scenraio there and thus a few different mods to handle and at least the reference cards are there for you. In the Nappy games you get a chart but details seem harder to pick out with this format. The rules which address how squares are formed are simple but bad IMO. They are auto formed (never a certainty on a Napoleonic battlefield) for only the loss of the use of a card and with a very strange limit of how many units may go into square at any one time. I thought Cossacks were badly represented in this system too and attacking with them is somewhat pointless. Overall, I think one would need to invest a lot of time to be able to play a competitive game against even an average opponent who is more experience. This is stark contrast to Memoir '44, which in the base form can be picked up with a lot less hassle. That is not to say I entirely dislike C & C Nappy and some day, when I have a ton of time, I will try to dive once more into this.
      
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Re:Oher games advice Thu, 28 November 2013 00:43
My tastes go to the harder end of the spectrum.

If you want a two player game I can strongly reccomend Paths of Glory (WWI strategic)

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/91/paths-of-glory

Which BGG at least rates as the number 2 War Game.

Especially in the historical scenario played at WBC.

No other game I have played so evokes the tension and angst of "I have 8 things I need to do, plus another 4 I want to do but I can only do 6"



If you want my favourite game then I would have to pitch Napoleonic Wars

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36399/the-napoleonic-wars -second-edition

Which plays as 2 to 5 and is the game I GM at WBC.

It is the game that got me back into gaming as an adult



I would also shout out to Here I Stand, which is basically a 6 player game


http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/17392/here-i-stand



And all of them are playable online by PBEM so I will gladly teach you

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Re:Oher games advice Sun, 08 December 2013 15:54
My Faves
1.Memoir (of course)
2. Axis and Allies (board games)
3. Settlers of Catan (especially with traders & Barbarians expansion which adds 3 scenarios and 4 variants)
4. Battletech (and expansions)
5. Star Trek Starship Tactical Combat game (FASA out of print but downloadable)
6. Archipelago of Gold (one of my games downloadable on BGG)
7. Zombies 3!!! (3rd edition, that is)
8. Quick War (WWII miniature game of my own design also downloadable on BGG)
9. Settlers of Canaan (a settlers version licensed by MFG produced by cactus games)
10. ? (so many other good games,like Battle Cry, Axis and Allies miniatures, and others.
      
    
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